Help from people who were long term chew users in switching to vaping

[PHXRising]

Here's my challenge... I chewed for 30 years. About a week ago I tried making the cold turkey switch and have not made it to the other side yet.

I'm not absorbing enough nicotine from vaping... yet.

I work with several people who have helped me try to make the switch, but they were all smokers and I've never smoked.

What I must be running into is the amount of nicotine you get from Skoal must be higher than smoking.

Do I just need to learn how to vape better, or do I need a higher nicotine content? I'm using 18 mg/ml ecto cooler from Mt Baker right now.

I've ordered some 24 mg/ml that should be here Saturday, but I'm wondering if there is any tips some former chew users might have.

Thanks,

Ron

 

[samturdo]

dont inhale. just bring the vapor into your mouth, let it stay there 5-10 seconds, and exhale slowly through the nose. but what you really need is a vw mod and an rda. just be sure you are educated fully about the safety issues first.

 

[Cool-breeze]

Chew/ dip def gives you more nic. A cig averages around 1mg, it's much harder to estimate with chew because the amount you put in varies. Also vaping doesn't deliver nic as efficiently either. Trying the 24mg is def a good start. Take longer pulls and let the vape exhale through your nose some. The. mucous membranes do more of the nic absorbing in vaping. Depending on your budget and willingness to learn, learning to build your own coils could help. To simplify what I mean is coils you make can, if done right, produce a thicker/ more dense vape giving you more nicotine. I normally do not advocate building your own coils as a new vaper but in your case it could actually benefit you. Also check out WTA, do a search on ecf for that. It could help also.

 

[PHXRising]

I have a vw mod, right now I'm on 9 watts, I've tried it at 10w, 11w, and 12w. Should I increase? It goes up to about 33w.

 

[readeuler]

I have a vw mod, right now I'm on 9 watts, I've tried it at 10w, 11w, and 12w. Should I increase? It goes up to about 33w.

Sure, bump it up slowly just to see what happens. What are you using for the atomizer? That'll be what determines how high you should crank the wattage. If the wick can keep up, more watts = more vapor = more nicotine. But if the wick can't stay wet enough, you're in for a rude surprise.

Also, definitely do the "mouth inhale, nose exhale" with no lungs involved. I was surprised how much more effective this is; it makes my nose tingle a bit, and I'm fairly sure it's from the nicotine. You don't need to do it every hit or anything, but it will get the job done, every now and then.

 

[PHXRising]

Sure, bump it up slowly just to see what happens. What are you using for the atomizer? That'll be what determines how high you should crank the wattage. If the wick can keep up, more watts = more vapor = more nicotine. But if the wick can't stay wet enough, you're in for a rude surprise.

Also, definitely do the "mouth inhale, nose exhale" with no lungs involved. I was surprised how much more effective this is; it makes my nose tingle a bit, and I'm fairly sure it's from the nicotine. You don't need to do it every hit or anything, but it will get the job done, every now and then.

I use the Kanger aero turbo double dual (quad)

 

[Fuzzy Bruce]

I am a dipper. Was doing two cans every three days. Have cut way back since vaping. Even more so since I started dripping. Now, a can of cope lasts me five or six days. Hopefully, I will be able to quit all together. I do find a hard candy helps.

 

[nynvolt]

Here's my challenge... I chewed for 30 years. About a week ago I tried making the cold turkey switch and have not made it to the other side yet.

I'm not absorbing enough nicotine from vaping... yet.

I work with several people who have helped me try to make the switch, but they were all smokers and I've never smoked.

What I must be running into is the amount of nicotine you get from Skoal must be higher than smoking.

Do I just need to learn how to vape better, or do I need a higher nicotine content? I'm using 18 mg/ml ecto cooler from Mt Baker right now.

I've ordered some 24 mg/ml that should be here Saturday, but I'm wondering if there is any tips some former chew users might have.

Thanks,

Ron

I used Skoal straight long cut for ten years or so. Picked up the habit after quitting smoking unfortunately. I started with 12mg juice and was chain vaping. I think because I smoked previously, it was an easy transition. Chew tends to be less nicotine than a cigarette but it's always there. If you're like me, I had chew in my mouth unless I was eating or sleeping and in some cases, I ate and slept with it lol. But it's the constant infusion of nicotine.

I suggest getting a "better than a starter set" rig. That will require some research and hopefully some input from vape friends. Throw away your cans, spitters and focus on not chewing anymore. Much of the addiction is psychological, you will crave that little burn in your lip. It's not easy for everyone. I have to admit my transition was almost effortless but I still get the urge and I've been tobacco free since late may/June. If you want it bad enough, you can do it. I'm on 6mg now and bet I could go lower if I didn't know about it.

Just hang in there and good luck.

 

[relapse]

Most companies make juice as strong as 36mg, you may need to start that high and gradually work your way down. I'm wasn't a dipper, just a heavy smoker, but at first 24mg was not enough for me to quit altogether. 36 did the trick for the first two weeks, then I was able to drop down to 24 and so on. Now at 2mg and considering foing lower.

 

[PHXRising]

I think I got it after hitting some youtubes for the kanger quad tank. I was way under cooking. I was testing from 12w down to 6w... Found a review of the tank and the whole sub-ohm operation and needed to be cooking around 27-30w. Launched it on 27w - holy ....! Yeah baby....

 

[Stubby]

I used Skoal straight long cut for ten years or so. Picked up the habit after quitting smoking unfortunately. I started with 12mg juice and was chain vaping. I think because I smoked previously, it was an easy transition. Chew tends to be less nicotine than a cigarette but it's always there. If you're like me, I had chew in my mouth unless I was eating or sleeping and in some cases, I ate and slept with it lol. But it's the constant infusion of nicotine.

It is not at all unfortunate that you started using smokeless tobacco when you quit smoking. It is a common myth that ST is high risk. The reality is that ST has essentially the same low risk as vaping, meaning about 99% less harmful then cigarettes. You did yourself a big favor by using ST for 10 years rather then cigarettes. As far as health goes there will be no discernible difference by switching from ST to vaping. If there are some gum issues with dip just go for snus (the Swedish kind) and that issue will disappear.

Vaping or dipping are really just personal choice as they are both solidly in the camp of THR (tobacco harm reduction).

 

[Israfil]

@Stubby Dips are still known to give mouth, tongue, cheek, gum, and throat cancer. Little Cancer Risk With 'Chew' Here's a link for forming your own conclusions, but my take on it was that they still contain tobacco specific nitrosamines that are considered carcinogenic. American company dips are (In my opinion) probably going to be worse, and more likely to contain added chemicals...but perhaps I'm biased a bit.

Anyhow, try higher nic levels. Because you're on dip I'm not really too sure that I'm able to relate my experience to yours. It's possible you might be able to get the lip burn youd crave (albeit in your throat) with PG based juices and a fairly high nic level. Other than that...I'm not really sure.

 

[Stubby]

@Stubby Dips are still known to give mouth, tongue, cheek, gum, and throat cancer. Little Cancer Risk With 'Chew' Here's a link for forming your own conclusions, but my take on it was that they still contain tobacco specific nitrosamines that are considered carcinogenic. American company dips are (In my opinion) probably going to be worse, and more likely to contain added chemicals...but perhaps I'm biased a bit.

Since I have been studying the issue of ST since 2009 when I got involved with THR you are going to have a very hard time convincing me that ST is more risky then vaping, especially since the science does not back it up. You really do need to go beyond a two minute google search and then make believe your an expert. There is a tremendous amount of conditioning (brain washing) that has taken place in recent decades on ST, and unfortunately most people, including electronic cigarette users, have fallen for it. Even ST users, as shown by this thread, have fallen for it.

You may want to read the likes of Dr. Brad Rodu and Dr. Carl Phillips to expand your knowledge a bit. Both are involved with CASAA.

I bring this up not to try and convert anyone to ST, I really don't care what anyone does on a personal level, but to dispel the myth that ST is something that needs to be desperately gotten away from and that electronic cigarettes are superior as far as health outcomes. It's not on both counts.