Help getting decent flavour out of RDA/RTDA and my favourite juice

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alandrdre

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Can anyone help me? I have a favourite juice which is forest fruits flavour from a supplier known as Big juice UK. This particular juice is perhaps what I might best describe as delicate, when its good its really good but sometimes its not's great. It's a very subtle flavour that can be challenging on new tank coils as the taste of new cotton can overpower the juice at first and when the coil starts to go you'll know about it. Also if there is anything off with the juice its never as enjoyable as when the mix is just right. I typically smoke it on a dual coil smok at about 35 watts. Any higher than 40-45 and the flavour starts to go a bit and any less and you don't get the vapour production.

My problem is smok coils are useless they take ages to get going and then often go after a week or so if I'm lucky. I want to smoke this juice on an RDA/RTDA. Every time I do a build and try and smoke this juice it taste awful. I've tried multiple builds of single and dual coil kanthal and steel claptons. I've played with the coil position and tried all sorts of wicking and the juice always taste awful. 'Awful' perhaps being difficult to describe but I'll try my best it tastes like a combination of an extremely over powering overload on the flavour to point that I can't taste the flavour combined with a really nasty dry hit type taste. It doesn't matter how much or how little juice I apply or what wattage I smoke it at it always tastes foul. I have watched numerous videos, read numerous articles and had some practise in doing a few builds.

The thing is I can go from this juice and on the same build I will apply my other favourite juice huckleberry hound and instantly the dry taste and foul flavour overload goes away and I am enjoying a smooth tasting berry juice with a hint of menthol. I had an even worse time when I tried to smoke Forest Fruits on my RTDA build that just tasted like dry hits all the time yet again the Huckleberry was perfect.

What am I doing wrong how can I create a build that does justice to my favourite Forest Fruits flavour that can match (or preferably beat the taste I get with these awful smok coils?)

Any help would be gratefully appreciated.
 

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Some juice flavors were just not made to vape at the higher wattages so many people use today. Yours might be one of them.

If I were you, and I just had to have that particular juice, I'd aim for a lower wattage, higher resistance build and try closing off some of the airflow. If it tastes right in that setting, yours is an MTL liquid. If it's still not right, you have to decide whether you want to spend the time and effort tracking down one juice's sweet spot.
 

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Agree with Letitia. Head over to Rebuildable premium class atomizers for sale. - Titanium mods from Ukraine and ask them when they will get an Achilles back in stock. Awesome flavor, simple to build the coil. (seriously, if you can't build a coil on that atty, you should give up vaping and never go outside without adult supervision or a helmet.)
No you don't, I never said get a 100.00+ rta. OP you can get a decent rta for under 40.00 in almost any country. Bad HauntedMyst, oh so bad.:D
 

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No you don't, I never said get a 100.00+ rta. OP you can get a decent rta for under 40.00 in almost any country. Bad HauntedMyst, oh so bad.:D

What's wrong with a $100 atty? It's worth every penny! After spending hundreds of dollars a month on cigarettes, why would anyone complain about a $100 atty? You can get an atty for $20 but it doesn't mean it's anywhere near as good. If you can find an atty that is as easy to build and makes anywhere near as much flavor as an Achilles, post it up!
 

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What's wrong with a $100 atty? It's worth every penny! After spending hundreds of dollars a month on cigarettes, why would anyone complain about a $100 atty? You can get an atty for $20 but it doesn't mean it's anywhere near as good. If you can find an atty that is as easy to build and makes anywhere near as much flavor as an Achilles, post it up!
Kylin mini for flavor. Not sure how hard it is to build on. mine is pre-sell from vaporl but they have them at some US sites now appearently
 

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What's wrong with a $100 atty? It's worth every penny! After spending hundreds of dollars a month on cigarettes, why would anyone complain about a $100 atty? You can get an atty for $20 but it doesn't mean it's anywhere near as good. If you can find an atty that is as easy to build and makes anywhere near as much flavor as an Achilles, post it up!
I personally wouldn't use an Achilles being mtl, and it may well be worth every penny once you know it will hit your sweet spot. Until you find said sweet spot stick with 20-30.00 rtas.
 

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Use the huckleberry in what you have. You have a juice you like so use it.

I am in agreement of trying a higher resistance coil (drop in or RTA) for flavor. I use rayon and I love it. I've used a lot of fruits in my Siren V2 atomizer, which is kind of a crossover tank for airflow options, you can do a restricted lung hit if you want. Some will say the flavor is muted, I don't find it to be with fruit/berry options. With that said, if your juice is more delicate, I might suggest something like the Berserker which is a flavor monster (with the caveat that it is about as tight a MTL draw as you can get).

If you want to try another drop in coil the Uwell Crown series of tanks are reportedly very flavorful, have a wide variety of resistance options and if cared for well, the coils last a long time.

Another (kinda maybe) crossover option might be finding a tank that is more designed for DL setup using the 0.5 Joytech CLR coils. There are tons of tanks that take this coil, it gives great flavor and I could see the 0.5 coil maybe working for your needs. There's a thread on ECF concerning this coil that also lists all the tanks that are compatible with it. I own both the Tron-S tank and the Ego Mega One V2 tank and I love both of them although I think there are some more "sub0hm" geared airflow and drip tip tanks that would work. The coils last forever and are very, very easy to both rewick and recoil, so they might be a good budget option.

Best of luck,

Anna
 

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With that said, if your juice is more delicate, I might suggest something like the Berserker which is a flavor monster (with the caveat that it is about as tight a MTL draw as you can get).

I agree that the Berserker definitely produces great flavor, and that the smallest 0.8mm hole on the AFC ring IS for sure a very tight draw. I put mine on the second hole, which is 1.2mm IIRC.

Might be a silly question, but...have you tried adjusting the AFC ring on your Berserker to the largest hole and using a DT with a wider bore? It won't be as easy to draw on as a true DTL tank, but it can be done and produces a good amount of vapor. A friend who only vapes DTL tried mine on the largest hole and with his wider bore DT, and he liked it.
 
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Useful advice, since at the moment the draw is so tight it can be hard to vape without the "hard draw" causing my denture implants to detach. I thought I was on the largest hole, but I can do some more experimenting. If it weren't so hard to draw on, I would use it more with my teef in. I actually love the driptip, but also could experiment :) I mean I love it, but I can only use it first thing a.m. or before bed.... :)

Thanks,

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Use the huckleberry in what you have. You have a juice you like so use it.

I am in agreement of trying a higher resistance coil (drop in or RTA) for flavor. I use rayon and I love it. I've used a lot of fruits in my Siren V2 atomizer, which is kind of a crossover tank for airflow options, you can do a restricted lung hit if you want. Some will say the flavor is muted, I don't find it to be with fruit/berry options. With that said, if your juice is more delicate, I might suggest something like the Berserker which is a flavor monster (with the caveat that it is about as tight a MTL draw as you can get).

If you want to try another drop in coil the Uwell Crown series of tanks are reportedly very flavorful, have a wide variety of resistance options and if cared for well, the coils last a long time.

Another (kinda maybe) crossover option might be finding a tank that is more designed for DL setup using the 0.5 Joytech CLR coils. There are tons of tanks that take this coil, it gives great flavor and I could see the 0.5 coil maybe working for your needs. There's a thread on ECF concerning this coil that also lists all the tanks that are compatible with it. I own both the Tron-S tank and the Ego Mega One V2 tank and I love both of them although I think there are some more "sub0hm" geared airflow and drip tip tanks that would work. The coils last forever and are very, very easy to both rewick and recoil, so they might be a good budget option.

Best of luck,

Anna
People with both claim Crown 3 mini has better flavor than Crown 3 it comes with bubble glass extends capacity to 4.5ml
 

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There's some interesting reading here thanks for all the input.
Both my juices I generally mix normally at 80vg 20pg. The smok 0.4 ohm coils and tank are most definitely direct to lung they have a lot of airflow. I have been using cotton bacon. My RDA is a goon clone and my rtda is an ammit dual. Tried single and dual coil. Can anyone recommend a coil and wicking type build that might somehow replicate the experience I am getting out of the tanks which clearly this juice seems to perform better in. Im thinking its something to do with the way the coils are spread out and the airflow is directed through the coils as opposed to in an rda where the cotton normally goes through the coil and the airflow go's around the coil.
 
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Why $20-30 RTA's? Seems arbitrary. Why not $5-10 rtas? :?::w00t:
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There's some interesting reading here thanks for all the input.
Both my juices I generally mix normally at 80vg 20pg. The smok 0.4 ohm coils and tank are most definitely direct to lung they have a lot of airflow. I have been using cotton bacon. My RDA is a goon clone and my rtda is an ammit dual. Tried single and dual coil. Can anyone recommend a coil and wicking type build that might somehow replicate the experience I am getting out of the tanks which clearly this juice seems to perform better in. Im thinking its something to do with the way the coils are spread out and the airflow is directed through the coils as opposed to in an rda where the cotton normally goes through the coil and the airflow go's around the coil.
Ammit is a rta not a rdta afaik
 
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