Help me please! Serious issue with cartos.

[lawlite]

Hi! I'm a new vaper, and I currently use cartos on a standard eGO battery.

I've been having some serious problems trying to fill the empty cartos my starter kit came with. I'll use the drip fill method until I see a "slushie" surface, and even then I'll get only a few hits out of it. Sometimes I get a REALLY BAD burnt taste, even when the carto looks moist. What's going on with this? Anyone know?

 

[TheAngryBovine]

Are you letting it sit for a few minutes after filling?

 

[lawlite]

No. I am not. Is this the problem?

 

[yzer]

Once a carto is burned it will always taste burned, forever. Toss it.

I drip fill my cartos. I hold the carto vertically with Kleenex covering the 510 (bottom) end of the carto. When a couple of drops of liquid appear on the Kleenex the carto is filled. Lightly blow into the top end of the carto (a drip tip helps) to remove excess liquid from the air passage. Use the Kleenex to catch this.

Watching for liquid on the Kleenex is a more accurate way to check filling than looking for the slushie appearance.

I use XL sized cartos. They hold at least 1.8 ml of fluid. Using my 30 ml dropper bottles that's anywhere from 50 to 70 drops of liquid.

 

[Amish Ed]

I'd fill until it gets slushy, wait a few minutes and if that slushy look is gone do it again. If you get a drop or 2 coming out of the threaded end it's full, just blow out the excess.

 

[TheAngryBovine]

Let the liquid seep into the filler. Add a few drops, wait a quick minute, continue till full, then give it a few minutes to seep in. It sounds like you're getting dry spots. Also, check YouTube for the condom method of filling a carto. You might find it easier.

 

[yzer]

Are you letting it sit for a few minutes after filling?

Yes. After the first fill on a new carto I let it sit 20 minutes and add some more liquid. I can usually get several more drops of liquid into them. This step is not needed for refills.

 

[YKruss]

What kind of cartos?
How many drops?
What type of juice, PG/VG ratio?

Some new cartos initially refuse to take the whole capacity load.
If you put in let say 5 drops and liquid looks slushie just gently blow to push it in.

Regular size Boge takes about 40-45 drops on an empty stomack, Ressurector takes around 60 drops.

 

[lawlite]

The cartos are 1.7 ohm shorty cartos.
Liquid is TopVapor Chestnut. They say on the site it's a PG/VG blend.

I haven't been counting the drops. I will next time.

 

[yzer]

The cartos are 1.7 ohm shorty cartos.
Liquid is TopVapor Chestnut. They say on the site it's a PG/VG blend.

I haven't been counting the drops. I will next time.

A 1.7 ohm shorty will have to be topped off almost constantly. I don't use them preferring 1.7 or 2.0 ohm XL. I'm sure a 1.7 ohm shorty user will chime in as it's a popular carto.

 

[TheAngryBovine]

Shorties are good for bottom feeding

 

[Caridwen]

Shorties are good for bottom feeding

That's true. If you use them on a regular battery, they don't have much filling and they will need to be topped off constantly. Also, since they're 1.7 (low resistance) topping them off and keeping them wet is extremely important.

 

[Baditude]

You might just find that prefer a "cooler" vape. My first cartotanks came with 1.7 ohm dual coils. The vaping experience was harsh and hot. Then I read that standard resistance cartos would provide a smoother and cooler vape. Switched resestances and they were so much better. Yet sometimes I still got that burnt taste even with the standard resistance cartos.

I read that many people prefered single coil cartos over dual coil. I tried some standard resistance single coils, again the same smoother, cooler vape but I no longer got the occassional burnt taste. In addition, the single coils were easier on my battery life.

I have a theory about dual coils. Most people punch their own cartos near the battery/connector end, or the laser-drilled cartos have their hole(s) at the same place. This is because as the tank's liquid is consumed, the carto will continue to be fed as long as the holes are below the juice level.

With single coil cartos, the heating coil is right down there near the feeder holes, so it will always have a nice supply of liquid. However, dual coils have an additional coil located above the bottom one, probably about mid-way up the length of the carto. Now, I've looked at my cartos from the drip tip side after they have been in use for a while. The polyfill appears dry, no matter how well the carto is wicking. I'm thinking that the top heating coil often doesn't get enough juice due to its higher location in the carto. The upper coil's sock and even the pollyfill surrounding it probably gets burnt, with no juice around it the material gets burned. This is why the carto is considered ruined...there's no way to get rid of the burnt taste.

Below are some images of a dual coil cartomizer that has been dissected:



Click on the above images to enlarge.
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A tip that I came up with to assist with filling from the top, is to place a wooden tooth pick into the center air hole. This keeps unwanted liquid getting in there, so you don't have to be so careful about how much liquid gets dripped onto the polyfill. If the polyfill is particularly dense causing the juice to pool on the polyfill and not be absorbed quickly, you can suck on the connector end of the carto to assist wicking.

 

[guppy]

I usually drip about 10 drops from the top then put the carto into the tank (filled with juice) and do a few dry puffs and I'm good to go.

 

[Joshuasculptor]

You should look into tanks the are a much easier learning curve to start with but if I had to suggest something about cartos it would be watch DR Vapes youtube video on how to fill a carto with the cartos silicon condom. Doesn't have to be his it was just the first one I watched. Also grab a syringe with a blunt end the next time you order i got mine from wizard labs dirt cheap. I got one of each first but I really like the size of the pink one for filling not to small not to big. Thats what she sad ha! whelp wizard labs is going to be closed for a bit no more orders right now.

 

[Joshuasculptor]

You might just find that prefer a "cooler" vape. My first cartotanks came with 1.7 ohm dual coils. The vaping experience was harsh and hot. Then I read that standard resistance cartos would provide a smoother and cooler vape. Switched resestances and they were so much better. Yet sometimes I still got that burnt taste even with the standard resistance cartos.

Read that many people prefered single coil cartos over dual coil. I tried some standard resistance single coils, again the same smoother, cooler vape but I no longer got the occassional burnt taste. In addition, the single coils were easier on my battery life.

I have a theory about dual coils. Most people punch their own cartos near the battery/connector end, or the laser-drilled cartos have their hole(s) at the same place. This is because as the tank's liquid is consumed, the carto will continue to be fed as long as the holes are below the juice level.

With single coil cartos, the heating coil is right down there near the feeder holes, so it will always have a nice supply of liquid. However, dual coils have an additional coil located above the bottom one, probably about mid-way up the length of the carto. Now, I've looked at my cartos from the drip tip side after they have been in use for a while. The polyfill appears dry, no matter how well the carto is wicking. I'm thinking that the top heating coil often doesn't get enough juice do to its higher location in the carto. The upper coil's sock and even the pollyfill surrounding it probably gets burnt, with no juice around it to produce vapor. Once this material is burnt, that is why the carto is considered ruined...there's no way to get rid of the burnt taste.

Below are some images of a dual coil cartomizer that has been dissected:

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Click on the above images to enlarge.

didn't think of that yeah just turn done the volts or bump(higher ohm carto) up the ohms. I like 2.0 at about 3.2v on my vmax which I guess would be close to 4v with most apvs

 

[Caridwen]

Shorty cartomizers only hold about 15 drops (.5 ml approx).

 

[lawlite]

thank you all for your helpful responses.

how many drags can i get out of it before i have to top it off?

 

[Caridwen]

That's really hard to say (meaning I don't know ) If you have a drip tip, pull it off and if your carto looks dry, add a few drops. Better too much than not enough.

You might want to pick up a box of bigger cartomizers that hold more. Then you won't have to top-off so frequently. Most people vape from 2/5-5 ml a day (depending on your pv, it could be much more). If you don't want to keep adding liquid, fill up 3-4 cartos for the day, then fill them at night. A standard cartomizer holds around 1 ml.

 

[Izan]

I use the 1.7s and put about 15-20 drops in, blot and blow.
Use it like a analog, 10-15 drags. Top up. It is a great hit, great flavor and works great on a 3.2-3.7V device ( great on cigalike)
At higher volts, a bit too hot and way too easy to burn up.

I buy them 15 at a time. They are great for testing flavors or letting people try your ecig.

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