Help me sort out this Building RBA and drippers thing!

[Numba20]

I just bought a Cloupor T5 50w and a magma RDA, and I'm freakin exited to chase some clouds! Lol but first, I need to do more research.


I've never had a rebuildable, and I've tried to look and see how to build it. But everyone is using words I don't really know the meaning behind. So my search has gone pretty slow thus far.


I was hoping to get some questions I have answered, and maybe answer some that I wouldn't even know to ask.


First, what do you guys use to wick? What's better? Why?


Next, I got some wire and wick with the RDA but its not labeled and there is no paper so I have no idea what gauge it is. Anybody know what comes with it? That would be a big help.


Do you guys run single or dual coil? And why? Differences?


Is there an instrument I need to make my coils? Do they need to be a certain length from the posts and does the loop diameter need to be a certain size?


I think the amount of loops makes a difference? and the gauge of wire as well.


Does the wicking material need to be super tight in the loops?


I got a wild hair tonight after picking up my magma RDA, and I cut some wick, and made a dual coil set up with 9 loops each, and put it on an MVP 2.0 at 11 watts. (My Cloupor 50w is still on its way to me) MVP Barely fired it. So I removed one coil, and it worked much better. But still wasn't vaping all that much.


Is the magma tank a prime choice to sub ohm with and chase clouds? Bc I have no problem getting a bigger badder Addy to sub ohm with. The air flow is awesome on it, but it only has 2 posts. I was planing to just do a medium build on it and use it throughout the day anyway.


I fired the single coil set up on my vision spinner v2 at 4.8v just for ....s and giggles, and it fired better, after about 4 sec. Of holding, parts of the coil would get red hot. I assume this means I could use bigger wire?


I'll be going to a local shop here soon to pick some cloud chasing hobbiest's brains, but I need a leg to stand on here guys! Lol save me!

 

[bear-runner]

youtube is great to find build tutorials. that is the place to start when getting into rebuildables

 

[prairie guy]

You should just look thru all the threads here on ECF on coil builds and battery saftey. All your answers are here

 

[Baditude]

First, what do you guys use to wick? What's better? Why?
I use rayon (cellucotton, also called synthetic cotton). I've just switched to it from organic cotton. Flavor and wicking seems slightly better than organic, and when removing it there is no burnt wick where it was inside the coil like organic has. I'm looking forward to trying some Japanese cotton which has been getting high reviews.[


Next, I got some wire and wick with the RDA but its not labeled and there is no paper so I have no idea what gauge it is. Anybody know what comes with it? That would be a big help.
There's no way to know. Often what comes with an RBA is crap wire that I just throw it away.


Do you guys run single or dual coil? And why? Differences?
I build single microcoils for my Kayfun, and dual microcoils for my drippers. More coil surface area and taking advantage of two air holes in the cap, in addition to being able to fill the entire deck area with additional wick.

I'm not a cloud chaser, but I get quite decent clouds with 0.6 ohm dual coils in my Patriot with drilled out holes.


Is there an instrument I need to make my coils? Do they need to be a certain length from the posts and does the loop diameter need to be a certain size?
There are jiggs available to help you make a coil, but I don't feel they are necessary. I usually wrap my loops around a 2.0 mm precision screwdriver bit. A larger coil makes it easier to feed the wick through the coil. I'm thinking a larger diameter coil allows for easier/faster wicking, but it probably consumes more juice too.


I think the amount of loops makes a difference? and the gauge of wire as well.
You be thinking correctly. More loops increases the coil resistance for a higher ohm coil. Thicker gauge wire also increases the coil resistance, but also significantly increases the coil surface area. Heavier gauge also takes longer for the coil to heat up.


Does the wicking material need to be super tight in the loops?
Nope. Not too tight, not too loose. Too tight and it strangulates the fibers so it doesn't wick fast enough if at all. Its a fine line between the two and only learned from experience.


I got a wild hair tonight after picking up my magma RDA, and I cut some wick, and made a dual coil set up with 9 loops each, and put it on an MVP 2.0 at 11 watts. (My Cloupor 50w is still on its way to me) MVP Barely fired it. So I removed one coil, and it worked much better. But still wasn't vaping all that much.
You didn't say the ohms of the coil(s). An MPV will only fire a coil 1.3 ohms or higher. Removing one of the coils would have doubled the resistance. So if you made two 3.0 ohm coils the overall resistance of the two would have been 1.5 ohms. Then removing one of them would result in a single 3.0 ohm coil. That's Ohm's Law -- learn it and know it.


Is the magma tank a prime choice to sub ohm with and chase clouds? Bc I have no problem getting a bigger badder Addy to sub ohm with. The air flow is awesome on it, but it only has 2 posts. I was planing to just do a medium build on it and use it throughout the day anyway.
From what I've read, the Magnma is known more for flavor, but it all depends upon a multitude of factors. Understand you don't HAVE to build sub-ohm coils with a high wattage regulated mod to make clouds.


I fired the single coil set up on my vision spinner v2 at 4.8v just for ....s and giggles, and it fired better, after about 4 sec. Of holding, parts of the coil would get red hot. I assume this means I could use bigger wire?
Hmmmm. I would never have tried that on a Spinner battery, especially if you didn't know the amp limit of the battery or the resistance of your coil. You could have blown up the battery.

Using a thicker wire would have taken the coil much longer to heat up.

 

[Baditude]

What batteries are you going to put in your Cloupor T5 50w? Have you researched that?

 

[Numba20]

Says its takes an 18650. I was going to just look for the highest MAH I could find and get it. Probably panasonic, or ultrafire. i cant believe as buge as that mod is, it only takes an 18650. Btw, thank you for the very detailed reply.

I have no way of know the ohms of the coil I built because I can't determine the gauge of the wire. Nor do i have a device that will tell me what resistance it gives. But I assumed I was safe running it on either device if it would fire because both are regulated and have low load cutoffs.

 

[AlwaysNaHaze]

Plz stop !! step back and do some research an ohm meter is essential first of all and assuming well we all know the saying!

 

[Bunnykiller]

if its a regulated mod it should have a built in ohm meter.... by pushing certian buttons in a specific sequence you should find the ohms of your build... did the cloupor come with a users manual? if so read it...

 

[Bunnykiller]

ohhh and BTW the magma is a flavor atty not really made for clouds, the airflow is too minimal for clouding.... look into a Tobh atty and drill out the airholes a bit if you want clouds

 

[realsis]

To determine the gauge of your wire , LOOK on the wire spool before you cut the wire off. It should have a sticker saying the gauge of the wire. As for building without a ohm reader, that's just not good practice. Though your device has a saftey, what if that safty fails? That can happen. Also a ohm reader _will let you know the ohms of your build. It can also detect a short. You should know your ohm load to know if your pushing your battery past it's limitations. Before any build you should know and understand ohms law and be able to work the formula. If you don't like math, they have some really great free apps that will work the formula for you. My favorite is simply called ohms law. You simply plug in your watts and ohms and it will tell you what your amps and voltage is. This is important because you don't want to push your battery past it's amp limitations. If you do, a chemical reaction can begin to happen within the battery and this can be very dangerous. So even though your device is regulated it's still a good practice to know these things. Knowing this can also help determine if your device is functioning properly. If the chip is doing the conversion correctly. Ohm's law is very important. I really hope this helps. If you have a Android phone, you can get the ohms law app for free at the playstore. This app makes it very easy to be safe. Hope this is helpful.

 

[Baditude]

Says its takes an 18650. I was going to just look for the highest MAH I could find and get it. Probably panasonic, or ultrafire. i cant believe as buge as that mod is, it only takes an 18650. Btw, thank you for the very detailed reply.

I have no way of know the ohms of the coil I built because I can't determine the gauge of the wire. Nor do i have a device that will tell me what resistance it gives. But I assumed I was safe running it on either device if it would fire because both are regulated and have low load cutoffs.

Wrong on getting the highest mAh. Wrong on getting a Panasonic or Ultrafire battery. There's much more to choosing a battery than grabbing the one with the highest mAh. In this application using a high-wattage mod, continuous discharge rating in amps is priority over mAhs.

A Panasonic battery doesn't have enough amps for your Cloupor because they only have a 10 amp continuous discharge rating. An Ultrafire is the wrong chemistry battery (ICR) and only has a 3 amp continuous discharge rating.

Your Cloupor needs at minimum 12 amps continuous discharge rating to function.

LG
LG18650HE2 2500mah 20Amps

Orbtronic
Orbtronic 18650 SX22 2000mAh 22Amps
Orbtronic 18650 2500mAh 21Amps
Orbtronic 18650 SX30 2100mAh ​30Amps

Samsung
INR18650-20R 2000mah 22Amps
INR18650-25R 2500mAh 20Amps

Sony
18650VTC4 2100mAh 30Amps
18650VTC5 2600mAh 30Amps

Efest
purple 18650 2500mAh 35A* (rebranded LG18650HE2 2500mAh 20 amp*)
purple 18650 2100mAh 30A (rebranded Sony 18650VTC4)

_____

The MVP2 has a built-in ohm reader. Press the + and - buttons simultaneously and hold. A = ohm rating followed by the voltage of the battery.

You must have a reliable ohm reader if you are going to make coils. You must know the amp draw of the coil to make sure you are not over-spec for your particular battery used.

Explain it to the dumb noob: Ohms Law calculator

It's become apparent to me that you haven't done enough research in building coils, and especially not for sub-ohm builds. You haven't learned the basics. There is much more to coil building than just wrapping some coils together and pressing a button to see if it fires; it must be measured for ohms before you fire it. You're going to be putting up to 50 watts of power through a tiny wire coil. The above is necessary to learn if you want your devices to work and perform safely for you, otherwise you are wasting yours and my time.

 

[rhean]

lol this has been said by many here, but I'm just going to repeat it: Get an ohms meter, or a digital multimeter. You can't build without one or the other. You won't know the ohms of your build, you won't know if something is off, you won't be gaining experience, you'll be building blind.

 

[eratikmind]

Well, all of the important issues having been mentioned. I trust that the OP continues to read and learn.

OP, with regard to the Magma. I enjoy using mine. It's an excellent RDA for flavor. For all around flavor and vapor production, I like the 454 big block by Kryptonite. At some $70.00, it performs equal to or better than my $115.00+ RDAs, such as the Veritas, Plume Veil, and Magma.

If you can find an old Omega from Loki Labs, grab it. I believe that a version 2 is in the making. However, the original is a fog machine.

 

[Numba20]

Plz stop !! step back and do some research an ohm meter is essential first of all and assuming well we all know the saying!

I am not quite ready to begin building, I know that. I have an ohm meter built into my mod. But like I said above, it's still in the mail on its way to me.

if its a regulated mod it should have a built in ohm meter.... by pushing certian buttons in a specific sequence you should find the ohms of your build... did the cloupor come with a users manual? if so read it...

^^ I don't know that the MVP has one. If it does I haven't found it... But I know the cloupor does.

ohhh and BTW the magma is a flavor atty not really made for clouds, the airflow is too minimal for clouding.... look into a Tobh atty and drill out the airholes a bit if you want clouds

The air flow its pretty darn loose. I can fill my lungs in <5sec. I may drill bigger holes with the airflow adjustment band off, then when I want to do a higher ohm build I can just put the band back on.

To determine the gauge of your wire , LOOK on the wire spool before you cut the wire off. It should have a sticker saying the gauge of the wire. As for building without a ohm reader, that's just not good practice. Though your device has a saftey, what if that safty fails? That can happen. Also a ohm reader _will let you know the ohms of your build. It can also detect a short. You should know your ohm load to know if your pushing your battery past it's limitations. Before any build you should know and understand ohms law and be able to work the formula. If you don't like math, they have some really great free apps that will work the formula for you. My favorite is simply called ohms law. You simply plug in your watts and ohms and it will tell you what your amps and voltage is. This is important because you don't want to push your battery past it's amp limitations. If you do, a chemical reaction can begin to happen within the battery and this can be very dangerous. So even though your device is regulated it's still a good practice to know these things. Knowing this can also help determine if your device is functioning properly. If the chip is doing the conversion correctly. Ohm's law is very important. I really hope this helps. If you have a Android phone, you can get the ohms law app for free at the playstore. This app makes it very easy to be safe. Hope this is helpful.

My magma came with some wire the diameter of a hair. It wasn't on a spool it was in a bag. And unlabeled with absolutely no paper or instructions. From just seeing other builds I gathered that there was no way it could be under 1.5 ohms, on my first trial build. I looped it 9x. 3.3 volts would fire it. I'm not chasing clouds at this point, just getting a feel for the physical process of making coils and wanted to see it work. I will look at the app. Thank you for the reference.

 

[Numba20]

Wrong on getting the highest mAh. Wrong on getting a Panasonic or Ultrafire battery. There's much more to choosing a battery than grabbing the one with the highest mAh. In this application using a high-wattage mod, continuous discharge rating in amps is priority over mAhs.

A Panasonic battery doesn't have enough amps for your Cloupor because they only have a 10 amp continuous discharge rating. An Ultrafire is the wrong chemistry battery (ICR) and only has a 3 amp continuous discharge rating.

Your Cloupor needs at minimum 12 amps continuous discharge rating to function.

LG
LG18650HE2 2500mah 20Amps

Orbtronic
Orbtronic 18650 SX22 2000mAh 22Amps
Orbtronic 18650 2500mAh 21Amps
Orbtronic 18650 SX30 2100mAh ​30Amps

Samsung
INR18650-20R 2000mah 22Amps
INR18650-25R 2500mAh 20Amps

Sony
18650VTC4 2100mAh 30Amps
18650VTC5 2600mAh 30Amps

Efest
purple 18650 2500mAh 35A* (rebranded LG18650HE2 2500mAh 20 amp*)
purple 18650 2100mAh 30A (rebranded Sony 18650VTC4)

_____

The MVP2 has a built-in ohm reader. Press the + and - buttons simultaneously and hold. A = ohm rating followed by the voltage of the battery.

You must have a reliable ohm reader if you are going to make coils. You must know the amp draw of the coil to make sure you are not over-spec for your particular battery used.

Explain it to the dumb noob: Ohms Law calculator

It's become apparent to me that you haven't done enough research in building coils, and especially not for sub-ohm builds. You haven't learned the basics. There is much more to coil building than just wrapping some coils together and pressing a button to see if it fires; it must be measured for ohms before you fire it. You're going to be putting up to 50 watts of power through a tiny wire coil. The above is necessary to learn if you want your devices to work and perform safely for you, otherwise you are wasting yours and my time.

I do still lack some essential knowledge. But I do realize its not a guessing game. Math is essential to get the best production and maintain safety. As soon as I get my 50w mod I will start plugging in numbers.

Side note, does built in mod ohm readers just tell you resistance or will they also tell how many amps its pulling to know if its within range of the battery?

Well, all of the important issues having been mentioned. I trust that the OP continues to read and learn.

OP, with regard to the Magma. I enjoy using mine. It's an excellent RDA for flavor. For all around flavor and vapor production, I like the 454 big block by Kryptonite. At some $70.00, it performs equal to or better than my $115.00+ RDAs, such as the Veritas, Plume Veil, and Magma.

If you can find an old Omega from Loki Labs, grab it. I believe that a version 2 is in the making. However, the original is a fog machine.

I'll check them out! Thanks!

 

[Baditude]

Side note, does built in mod ohm readers just tell you resistance or will they also tell how many amps its pulling to know if its within range

They will only provide the ohm resistance of the coil and the battery voltage.

You have to find the battery's amp rating (in continuous discharge rate) from the manufacturer's specification list. A list of batteries with their amp rating is in this link: Battery Basics for Mods

If you have an MVP-2, it has a built-in ohm reader. Press the + and - buttons simultaneously and hold. The first set of numbers to appear will be the coil ohm rating. A = 1.0 for example. If no atomizer is attached, it will say "non".

 

[Nytebreed]

Please just throw away the coils that came with your atty.
The wire is junk and I've tested some out of the box and found horribly fluctuating resistance (short), as well as a dead short in one.

My favorite build so far on my magma is 1.1ohms, I've tried about 1/2 a dozen, and it's not a fan of builds under 0.5ohms.

 

[Numba20]

Please just throw away the coils that came with your atty.
The wire is junk and I've tested some out of the box and found horribly fluctuating resistance (short), as well as a dead short in one.

My favorite build so far on my magma is 1.1ohms, I've tried about 1/2 a dozen, and it's not a fan of builds under 0.5ohms.

Favorite for? Care to elaborate?

Went to a cape shop a couple hours ago and talked technical with some sub ohm enthusiasts. Got my first build done on my magma thanks to their help. It's a dual coil .5 ohm set up using 28g wire looped 6x on each coil. But I can't fire it until my mod gets here... Wahh lol

One of the guys had a magma he said his fried one of his regulated mods. Something about the posts being 2piece design and the center float wedges them. Said after it heated and cooled so many times it got a little loose and arced in it.

The guy who worked there said I shouldn't run lower than .5 ohm on my mod. I didn't think the cloupor T5 had a low load cutoff?
I got 30A batteries... From the math I've done with my coil build, I could theoretically run 450 watts before I push my 30A battery limitation. Amps = sqrt(watts/ohms) so 30= sqrt(450/.5) am I doing that right? ...just an example... I realize 450w is mythological. Lol

 

[Baditude]

The battery doesn't care how many watts the coil is firing at, its the current or amp draw its concerned about. 0.5 ohms is only a 10.5 amp drain.

BTW, which 30 amp battery did you get?

 

[Numba20]

The battery doesn't care how many watts the coil is firing at, its the current or amp draw its concerned about. 0.5 ohms is only a 10.5 amp drain.

BTW, which 30 amp battery did you get?

Right but I was using watts in the equation to determine my amp draw. That's a correct way to calculate it right?

And VTC4 and purple 35A efest.

Got a suggestion for a quality/price charger? It can be single bay.