Herakles RTA, gemini mega or griffin 25 ?

[alfardan]

Hello everyone,

This is my first post here, I've been reading a lot of the reviews you guys are posting and watching videos and I need some help.

I have a Wismec reuleaux RX200 and a Herakles Plus which I like but I want to get into RTAs

I like the Herakles Plus which is why I thought about getting their RTA. I also borrowed the smaller gemini 22 from someone and found that I like that one as well, and from the posts here the Griffin 25 also seems similar.

sense Herakles RTA Features:

• 6mL Juice Capacity
• Spacious Chamber
• Single or Dual Configurations
• Adjustable Airflow Control at Base
• Adjustable Juice Flow Control
• Convenient Top-Fill Method

Gemini Mega RTA by Vaporesso Features:

• 4.5mL Juice Capacity
• 2mm Terminal Post Holes
• Single or Dual Configurations
• Dual Air Tubes Inside Chamber
• Adjustable Juice Flow Control
• Convenient Top-Fill Method

Griffin 25 RTA Top Airflow version:

• Available for single or dual coil
• 6.0ml juice capacity
• 17mm build deck
• Top airflow with travel-to-the-coil structure

I think they are all the same deck size and have top airflow (don't know if it's the same way in each) I'm looking for one with a big deck and tank (which is why I'm leaning more toward the Griffin and Herakles over the gemini).

Is there anything else I should consider or think about to help pick one ?
Appreciate your help and sorry for the long post.

 

[KenD]

Hello everyone,

This is my first post here, I've been reading a lot of the reviews you guys are posting and watching videos and I need some help.

I have a Wismec Reuleaux RX200 and a Herakles Plus which I like but I want to get into RTAs

I like the Herakles Plus which is why I thought about getting their RTA. I also borrowed the smaller gemini 22 from someone and found that I like that one as well, and from the posts here the Griffin 25 also seems similar.

Sense Herakles RTA Features:

• 6mL Juice Capacity
• Spacious Chamber
• Single or Dual Configurations
• Adjustable Airflow Control at Base
• Adjustable Juice Flow Control
• Convenient Top-Fill Method

Gemini Mega RTA by Vaporesso Features:

• 4.5mL Juice Capacity
• 2mm Terminal Post Holes
• Single or Dual Configurations
• Dual Air Tubes Inside Chamber
• Adjustable Juice Flow Control
• Convenient Top-Fill Method

Griffin 25 RTA Top Airflow version:

• Available for single or dual coil
• 6.0ml juice capacity
• 17mm build deck
• Top airflow with travel-to-the-coil structure

I think they are all the same deck size and have top airflow (don't know if it's the same way in each) I'm looking for one with a big deck and tank (which is why I'm leaning more toward the Griffin and Herakles over the gemini).

Is there anything else I should consider or think about to help pick one ?
Appreciate your help and sorry for the long post.

The 25 mm Griffin does not fit 6 ml. It was closer to 5 ml I think (a reviewer who tested the capacity, don't remember who). Not sure about the Herakles' actual capacity. I don't have any of the tanks though, so can't really say anything about them. If I had to choose I think I'd go with the Herakles (easiest top fill, better juice flow control, and option to have several build decks ready and waiting), but would choose the Billow v3 or Aromamizer Supreme over any of the three you mention.

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[Shawn Hoefer]

Hello everyone,

This is my first post here, I've been reading a lot of the reviews you guys are posting and watching videos and I need some help.

I have a Wismec Reuleaux RX200 and a Herakles Plus which I like but I want to get into RTAs

I like the Herakles Plus which is why I thought about getting their RTA. I also borrowed the smaller gemini 22 from someone and found that I like that one as well, and from the posts here the Griffin 25 also seems similar.

Sense Herakles RTA Features:

• 6mL Juice Capacity
• Spacious Chamber
• Single or Dual Configurations
• Adjustable Airflow Control at Base
• Adjustable Juice Flow Control
• Convenient Top-Fill Method

Gemini Mega RTA by Vaporesso Features:

• 4.5mL Juice Capacity
• 2mm Terminal Post Holes
• Single or Dual Configurations
• Dual Air Tubes Inside Chamber
• Adjustable Juice Flow Control
• Convenient Top-Fill Method

Griffin 25 RTA Top Airflow version:

• Available for single or dual coil
• 6.0ml juice capacity
• 17mm build deck
• Top airflow with travel-to-the-coil structure

I think they are all the same deck size and have top airflow (don't know if it's the same way in each) I'm looking for one with a big deck and tank (which is why I'm leaning more toward the Griffin and Herakles over the gemini).

Is there anything else I should consider or think about to help pick one ?
Appreciate your help and sorry for the long post.

The Herakles RTA, if you can believe it, has too much air. The Billow V3 has auxiliary air, like the Herakles, but not as much.

I do not have either, though...

What I do have are the Boreas and the Griffin 25 without the top air. Both are incredible performers, but the Boreas holds more juice and offers a bigger deck and more air.

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[alfardan]

Thanks for the suggestions gonna look them up!

 

[KenD]

I don't like the conjoined afc and jfc on the Boreas. I don't like a wide open air flow but still vape at fairly high wattages. I'd be worried that the juice flow would be too restricted if I close of the afc as much as I like.

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[TechnoGeek]

Hello everyone,

This is my first post here, I've been reading a lot of the reviews you guys are posting and watching videos and I need some help.

I have a Wismec Reuleaux RX200 and a Herakles Plus which I like but I want to get into RTAs

I like the Herakles Plus which is why I thought about getting their RTA. I also borrowed the smaller gemini 22 from someone and found that I like that one as well, and from the posts here the Griffin 25 also seems similar.

I can't speak to the 25mm versions of either the Griffin, or the Gemini, nor the Herakles RTA, but I do have the 22mm versions of each the Griffin and Gemini. I prefer the Griffin, primarily because the 510 pin on the Gemini is too long for all of my Joytech mods...I have no idea if the Gemini Mega will have the same problem, but I'll wait for the reviews to find out. The two seem to be pretty similar, both in flavor and vapor production with the same builds....Well...sort of... Since the Gemini does have more airflow, you can run it hotter, open the top airflow, and get more flavor, and vapor.

That said, the long 510 pin kills it for me, as I have to use either a spacer, or a 510 heatsink adapter, otherwise I risk damaging the 510 pin on my mods. The 510 pin on the Gemini is actually longer than the 510 on the Smok TFv4! My TFv4's screw down flush on my Joytech mods, the Gemini doesn't. The other issue I have is the build quality on the Gemini seems to be a bit iffy. The threads are coarser, and there is play in the bottom section around the airflow section. Maybe it's just mine.. but I can hold my Gemini by the tank and wiggle the bottom/airflow control section back and forth! I first noticed screwing the tank down, and thought the 510 on the mod was loose....wasn't the case....

I did take a look at a few reviews for the Herakles RTA, it looks pretty nice, and reviews are good. My concern is the posts on the deck look a bit fragile in the way they are mounted.

I think I'll wait and see how people like it, and if there are any problems....

 

[rice721]

As stated the Griffin 25mm does NOT fit 6ml of juice, its the same as the Gemini Mega, 4.5ml. The 22mm griffin fits 3.5ml, so not a big increase there.

If given the 3 choices I would go with the Herakles (mine should be arriving in a day or 2). The Herakles does NOT have top airflow but I'm sure the extra airflow on the deck would make up for that. If its anything like the Herakles plus subohm its going to be very very airy and that may hurt flavor a bit. I bought it because I enjoy the aesthetics and wanted to play around with it.

If you're only considering a 25mm atty then maybe you should also check out the aromamizer supreme. Very similar to the Boreas but better looking (my opinion of course), both fit about 7ml of juice, same big velocity style decks. Black supreme with smoke glass on a black mod is the bee's knees.

 

[Paul lamb]

Don't want to sway away from your options

I own the griffin 25 and have a herakles on order but I think they will struggle to out perform the boreas and supreme

 

[KenD]

As stated the Griffin 25mm does NOT fit 6ml of juice, its the same as the Gemini Mega, 4.5ml. The 22mm griffin fits 3.5ml, so not a big increase there.

If given the 3 choices I would go with the Herakles (mine should be arriving in a day or 2). The Herakles does NOT have top airflow but I'm sure the extra airflow on the deck would make up for that. If its anything like the Herakles plus subohm its going to be very very airy and that may hurt flavor a bit. I bought it because I enjoy the aesthetics and wanted to play around with it.

If you're only considering a 25mm atty then maybe you should also check out the aromamizer supreme. Very similar to the Boreas but better looking (my opinion of course), both fit about 7ml of juice, same big velocity style decks. Black supreme with smoke glass on a black mod is the bee's knees.

Yeah. The claims of massively increased liquid capacity are a bit weird anyway. An added 2-3 mm in girth doesn't really do much to increase capacity, particularly when the size of the build deck is increased simultaneously.

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[rice721]

Yeah. The claims of massively increased liquid capacity are a bit weird anyway. An added 2-3 mm in girth doesn't really do much to increase capacity, particularly when the size of the build deck is increased simultaneously.

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Yes, i also tend to find these large build decks with large build deck covers / chimneys and a wide bore drip tip to reduce the flavor I get

 

[KenD]

Yes, i also tend to find these large build decks with large build deck covers / chimneys and a wide bore drip tip to reduce the flavor I get

True. I really want a 25 mm atty (Aromamizer Supreme I think), but that's mainly to test a bigger atty on my rx200(s). Smaller atty and smaller chamber does result in better flavour. Also, as long as the atty has a good top/side fill function I don't mind a small liquid capacity at all. I carry around liquid bottles anyway.

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[rice721]

I find the griffin 22mm 3.5ml to be enough for out and about use, like you and most other vapers I always carry a 10ml needle pin bottle with me. That with a full tank usually lasts me a good 2/3 of the day. Just got the serpent RTA and that thing holds 4ml (or was it 3ml), its single coil and building it with 24 gauge kanthal 3mmIAD I'm able to vape it sub 30 watts. Flavor is great, less vapor than a dual coil clapton but honestly I'm not a cloud chaser and would rather be a bit stealthier when out.

I got the supreme cuz I think it just looks great, have yet to test it since its in the states. I think theres a 30mm RTA that just came out, Mike Vapes did a review on it...looks kind of meh. But supposedly holds 12ml of juice.

 

[KenD]

I find the griffin 22mm 3.5ml to be enough for out and about use, like you and most other vapers I always carry a 10ml needle pin bottle with me. That with a full tank usually lasts me a good 2/3 of the day. Just got the serpent RTA and that thing holds 4ml (or was it 3ml), its single coil and building it with 24 gauge kanthal 3mmIAD I'm able to vape it sub 30 watts. Flavor is great, less vapor than a dual coil clapton but honestly I'm not a cloud chaser and would rather be a bit stealthier when out.

I got the supreme cuz I think it just looks great, have yet to test it since its in the states. I think theres a 30mm RTA that just came out, Mike Vapes did a review on it...looks kind of meh. But supposedly holds 12ml of juice.

Heh, I have two 50 ml bottles with me Not that I need that much, just that I usually carry two mod-atty sets with different liquid, and I mix in 50 ml bottles pretty exclusively. The Serpent and the 22 mm Griffin definitely hold enough liquid, as does the Crius, Cubis etc. 5 ml is pretty much the maximum I want to have. 12 ml sounds like too much to have in a tank, for me at least.

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[rice721]

I saw the review for that 30mm RTA not going to get one. Just don't see the need for it. I find 10mls to be suffice when I go out but have yet to be out for an entire day since I work from home.

I like to travel light so 1 mod 1 tank 1x10ml bottle is usually good. Its almost like carrying a pack + a lighter when I used to smoke analogs.

 

[Paul lamb]

The vcmt and ohmega bft 30mm they been around a few months now but hard to beat

 

[rice721]

i think the one I saw was the ohmega

 

[OlderNDirt]

Sorry for reviving an older thread, but thought that was better then starting a new one asking the same question.

I am new to the RTA scene and building, been using the Griffin 22mm for a few weeks and managed my first build on a Freakshow RDA. Things have been working out well enough that I started checking options for a larger RTA. I was looking at the Griffin 25, but when I stopped into my vape shop, they really bragged up and recommended the Herakles RTA. Yeah, they probably did not have the Griffin is stock yet, but I have been satisfied with their previous recommendations. I have the original Herakles, although it is now in my storage rack sitting empty and gathering dust (TFV4's are working better for me), and have the Herakles Plus in my current rotation. I like the Herakles tanks, but they just seem to take a little more finesse, for lack of a better explanation. While I like the Griffin well enough, I haven't had it long enough to even wick it yet, let alone change coils. But I have this overwhelming, shinyitis urge for another RTA......and that would be great to put on a Sigelei 213W if I really go crazy......guess that belongs in the other forum. If it matters, I am looking at using it on my Lavabox DNA 200.

So, now that a little time has past and some may have more comparative analysis, which is it? Griffin 25 or Herakles RTA? Benefits and/or negatives? Thanks!

 

[SteamHead]

I don't like the conjoined afc and jfc on the Boreas. I don't like a wide open air flow but still vape at fairly high wattages. I'd be worried that the juice flow would be too restricted if I close of the afc as much as I like.

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An easy fix for that... open the Boreas to the 4 hole position (there by opening the JFC), then slightly close it so the four holes become misaligned. This way you can go all the way down to less than two holes, airflow wise, while still getting a wet vape


As to the topic at hand, I'm not sure why anyone would consider these over the Boreas or the Supreme.

 

[VaPreis]

As to the topic at hand, I'm not sure why anyone would consider these over the Boreas or the Supreme.

I can tell you why I chose the Griffin 25 over the Boreas or Aromamizer Supreme:

The Griffin has under-the-coil airflow. The top airflow feature was just a gimmicky bonus.

I have the original Aromamizer and added the velocity deck. The flavor on it SUCKS. I have no reason to believe any other side flow RTA would behave any differently.

 

[OlderNDirt]

As to the topic at hand, I'm not sure why anyone would consider these over the Boreas or the Supreme.

It would be very helpful if you would elaborate from your personal experience what the "Boreas or the Supreme" offer that the Herakles and/or Griffin do not making them not even worth considering. Whatever it is, it must be substantial.