Here is a bill for regulation I could live with

[rtbob]

Please provide input, modify this in any way you want. Add some more here to's and there fors legal it up a bit.

The idea is to have something we can send to our state's legislature that looks like an actual bill ready to go before the house or where ever it goes before first.

Where I have typed federal just replace it with the name of your state.
I hope you all realize we are not going to be able to continue to use our liquid nicotine with out some kind of tax. The stamp system is the easiest and fastest way to get this going I think.

Some kind of regulation and saftey control has to be implemented to protect us from inhaling toxic substances into our lungs. I'm not sure but I don't think it would take very much lead inhaled to mess you up for good.

I for one am also tired of the junk made in China. There is a huge oppurtunity for the creation of brand new jobs here in the USA. Manufacturing of a quality, dependable product that is only possible with American skill and know how.

Sure it is going to cost more. Let us not forget that the cost per day at the ICU of your local hospital is currently around $7000.00 per day. Don't forget to figure this cost into your savings calculator.

Liquid nicotine requires the following controls:

No sales to persons under the age of 18.

Child proof containers should be the standard. If this provides difficulty for some people, as does medication containers, a normal bottle can be requested by the consumer.

Each bottle shall be properly labeled as to the contents of such bottle.
Periodic inspections of liquid to verify contents and strength of nicotine.

The following is an outline of an exceptable bill IMO. Please offer suggestions to this.

FOR THE CONSUMER OF LIQUID NICOTINE​

A stamp will be purchased annually from the federal goverment by the consumers of liquid nicotine to off-set the cost of the e liquid inspections. The cost of the stamp is yet to be determined.

No person(s) shall use, or be in possesion of liquid nicotine containing substances with out having said stamp in their possesion.

Use or posession of liquid nicotine with out the federally issued stamp shall be considered a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of at least ten times the cost of the annual stamp.

Recurrent offenses shall be fined accordingly. Second offense 15 times 3rd offense 20 times.

Multiple offenders with greater than 3 offenses shall be charged with a class C felony and be incarcerated for a period not to exceed ten years with a minimum of two years served. They will also have their privelage to purchase a nicotine stamp pemanently revoked.

FOR THE DISTRIBUTORS OF LIQUID NICOTINE​

A license will be issued bi-annually to distributors of liquid nicotine. Liquid nicotine distributors shall be subject to unannounced inspections of their liquid nicotine product with a minimum of one inspection occuring annually.

Any person or persons selling liquid nicotine with out the proper federally issued license shall be charged with a class C felony and subject to 10 years incarceration and a $50,000 fine. Their privelage to have a license to distribute liquid nicotine shall be permanently revoked.

Any person or persons selling liquid nicotine to a minor will have their license revoked immediately and be ineligable to re-apply for a period not to exceed five years. Fines and legal charges to be determined at a later date.

Any person or persons selling selling liquid nicotine to another person or persons and not requiring proof of a federally issued liquid nicotine stamp will have their license revoked immediatley and be ineligable to re-apply for a license for a period not to exceed five years. Fines and legal charges to be determined at a later date.

If a distributor of liquid nicotine fails an annual inspection they will be given one week to correct the violation(s). After such a period of time has elapsed if the distributor continues to be in violation, the distributor shall have his license revoked for a period not to exceed two years.

Something like this I could live with.

 

[BradSmith]

Give them an inch and they will take a mile. Before this is done they would be taxing e-cigs to the point were most people will never try them in the first place. So although it might be fine for people with money in the long run it will kill a lot of people by taking away one of the incentives to switch. If they were as expensive as cigs I wouldn't be using them I just can't afford it. I was already doing the roll your own rout.

 

[similost]

Yyou won't find many people taking the effort to purchase their own stamp. Just tax it the same we they do cigarettes.. tax the bottle like they do a pack. Every bottle has to have the stamp on it.

Another problem with a stamp by the consumer, is the fact of how are you going to prove the bottle has nicotine in it or not without testing, hence more costs to law enforcement.

 

[karmatized]

yeah i say all suppliers sell with a regulated tax either country wide the same or, state by state whichever, almost all website software supports this

 

[rtbob]

Thank you for the input

 

[rtbob]

So you can afford $7000.00 bucks a day?

 

[JohnnyVapor]

I'm not sure the consumer should be punished in that way for possessing unstamped bottles of e-liquid. I am constantly mixing flavors, and decanting into smaller bottles for transport, so it could be tough to prove that it is a legal product.

 

[karmatized]

you have to keep these things as a adult chooses to do what they choose to do.

Your suggesting turning into a medical pot kind of thing which inst what this is.
The actual word is filtered

Heres the issue, tobacco kills hence why tobacco is so bad. If tobacco was good for you no one would even care if kids did it.

e-liquid doesnt kill like tobacco hence why we do need some kind of laws but dont turn it into a whole you need a special buyers card to buy juice kind of thing. All i need to see is your id so that i know your over 18 and thats about all you should need.

I agree vendors needing some kind of permits and or inspections to sell there own juice.
But lets say i buy from a vendor who is certified to manufacture juice and i resell it. As long as im licensed to sell that should be the end of it.

A license that says im allowed to sell juice from a approved manufacture.

Manufacturing and sales are not the same.

and if you manufacture and sell then you should need both licenses and be subject to manufacturing inspections only.

 

[FarmYard]

quote:Manufacturing of a quality, dependable product that is only possible with American skill and know how.

gimme a break!!!really?come on.

 

[karmatized]

lols exactly, you know half of the quality stuff in our homes are made in china and japan. lol

 

[rtbob]

After further thought the "Stamp" concept will only work in retail store fronts. This would leave are great internet suppliers out in the cold. What would be a fair tax per ml? Would .25 cents per ml be to much? That would be $2.50 per 10 ml. The charge would be assessed against the distributor and of course passed onto us consumers.

 

[karmatized]

id go higher, make the government happy.

since 10ml lasts about a regular smoker 10 days.

id say 10 dollars in tax per 10ml
it would make the state happy and its a small price to pay to continue our habbits. Id pay it. whats that 60 bucks a month. not terrible

but most likely figure out what the states tax rate is on cigarettes currently and match it or double it per 10ml.

 

[rtbob]

I am talking about e cigs and only e cigs. The Chinese more than likely have a bunch of 12 year olds working 14 hours a day for about two dollars making these unreliable e cigs.

Quality? LOL​

Our landfills are full of their quality things that break in a year.

 

[rtbob]

Dang, I go through almost 3ml a day!

 

[karmatized]

damn what mg you vape

 

[rtbob]

I buy 24-26mg per ml and bump it up with 60mg/ml to 30mg. No kidding. I love the stuff. I think I may be addicted to it. The amount I vape daily is actually around 2.4 ml now that I think more about it. My 801 BE112 cart holds 0.8 ml. I use 3 of them a day.

 

[rothenbj]

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id go higher, make the government happy.

since 10ml lasts about a regular smoker 10 days.

id say 10 dollars in tax per 10ml
it would make the state happy and its a small price to pay to continue our habbits. Id pay it. whats that 60 bucks a month. not terrible

but most likely figure out what the states tax rate is on cigarettes currently and match it or double it per 10ml.

Boy you can tell the young ones. Lets appease the politicians by over taxing something, what have we become? I can remember .19 gas and .25 cent cigs. If I translated my income to an equivalent increase I'd be making somewhere around $250,000 today. How many people make that kind of money?

You can try appeasing their zest for emptying your pockets, but I can not. The reason cigarettes are taxed so high is supposedly your health. If e cigs are as safe as we believe, they should certainly not be taxed as if they weren't. These taxes WERE supposed to offset the health care costs.

If your going to tax on relative health care costs, fine. Let the laws that we're starting to see continue. Soda tax, caffeine tax, salt tax, sugars tax, on and on. You're going to have to live with these sin taxes as a political system exists that lives on deficit spending contines to look to you to pay for the under privaledged (the poor), the over privaleged (corporate amerika) and their own over zealous desire for money, power and re-election.

Open your pockets, the King has entered.

 

[ChipCurtis]

Our landfills are full of their [Chinese] quality things that break in a year.

And the real kicker is that they import our raw materials (like timber) to make those cheap products, and our landfills end up filled with sawdust from our own trees. Wonderful world, huh?

 

[mithorn]

A policy of appeasement does not work and is definately not in our best interest. Look how well smokers rights have fared under that kind of thinking. If it wasn't for the billions that BT has to lobby with, where do you think they would be right now?

I'm all for some type of regulation of juice manufacturers to assist them in maintaining quality control but taxes are going way too far. The government wants to find more funding for all it's social reforms and bailouts, let them look elsewhere. Next they'll be wanting to tax you for all the oxygen your using up.

 

[dannydakota]