Here we go with another scare story/hatchet job article

[uab9253]

CDC: 16 million children can legally purchase e-cigarettes | Fox News

So here we go - lock up your kids folks and stay away from those people who are vaping!! Dangerous chemicals are in the exhaled vapor!! Heavy Metal and no we don't mean Black Sabbath!!

Every time I think perhaps we are entering a new age of enlightenment, here come the angry villagers with their torches.

And I'm a Fox News guy, generally but ...disappointing.

 

[SuperTaz]

If they can't tax it they'll ban it of course......but that is only my opinion!

 

[Circa Survivor]

Don't b&m shops have the right to refuse service? They should know better than to sell to minors. Let's blame them xD

 

[dhood]

On the door of every single vape shop near me (10 in all) there is a sign that says they don't serve anyone under 18. Period! If every vape shop treated their customer base the same way, the CDC wouldn't have anything to b!@#% about. But you have to remember, this is the same group that calls kids getting shot by other kids an "epidemic". I'm still not sure what "disease" causes that. Pretty sure stupidity isn't a disease, although it seems to be catching.

 

[bluecat]

I just read that too. I am unsure how to respond. Maybe the parents should knock some sense into the kid instead of the government getting involved. Most parent however want someone else to do the parenting that they should be doing. I won't go into what I think about most parents, but I digress.

The thing that stood out to me was if whatever it was Boehner and lackeys were talking about doesn't pass then all ecigs/companies made after 2007 will be banned.

"don't b&m shops have the right to refuse service?" Not if they serve to the public. Besides if there is nothing harmful about vaping then why shouldn't kids be allowed to use one?

 

[cad99]

On the door of every single vape shop near me (10 in all) there is a sign that says they don't serve anyone under 18. Period! If every vape shop treated their customer base the same way, the CDC wouldn't have anything to b!@#% about. But you have to remember, this is the same group that calls kids getting shot by other kids an "epidemic". I'm still not sure what "disease" causes that. Pretty sure stupidity isn't a disease, although it seems to be catching.

I have never seen a vape shop that says they don't Id either but how hard is it to get a shopping card at Wal-Mart and go online and clicking the yes I'm 18 button.

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[Sgt.Rock]

Actually that article was a pretty fair reporting of the situation that exists..far from a hatchet job it reported both sides rather equally.

 

[Malarky]

Actually I have to call BS, reason being and I can almost guarantee that the tests were done using big tobaccos cigalikes. The Vuse e-cigarette has a damn plastic wick in it. Someone on here had posted a picture of one of the carts taken apart and torched the wick, it turned into a long piece of solid plastic. If anyone is bringing vaping down, it's big tobacco and their greedy get rick quick scheme who cares if they are vaping plastic.

 

[Str8vision]

............The thing that stood out to me was if whatever it was Boehner and lackeys were talking about doesn't pass then all ecigs/companies made after 2007 will be banned..........

The news media slants/spins stories the way big corporations and the government want them to, always have and always will. That's why the majority of "news" stories paint vaping in such a villainous light. Inadvertently, vaping has made powerful enemies by cutting into the profits of Big Tobacco, Big Pharma and the healthcare industry (some of the biggest lobbying $$$ in Washington), while simultaneously causing the Federal and state governments to loose significant tax revenues. With adversaries like these I fear either heavy regulation/taxation is coming our way or some form of prohibition. Not all at once but in progressively restrictive stages. A prerequisite to such stifling legislation is to first demonize the act in the eyes of the general public therefore justifying regulation/taxation, hence the numerous lopsided, misleading stories masquerading as factual news. Say it often enough and people will believe it as fact. Big money always wins and it's quite easy to see where big money stands on this issue. That's why I decided it was prudent to procure enough 100mg liquid nic (stored at -15F), and enough attys, spare parts and mods to last me, and a few friends, for decades.

 

[Malarky]

That's why I decided it was prudent to procure enough 100mg liquid nic (stored at -15F), and enough attys, spare parts and mods to last me, and a few friends, for decades.

Hmm, now you have got me thinking, I need to put together a nice vape gear bugout bag with a bunch of DIY ingredients. Anyone know a good place for nic juice, pg, vg and flavorings?

 

[bullet08]

most gas station will sell anything as long as there's no one around to rat on them.

 

[crxess]

Haven't checked the link yet. Likely much more of the same old same old.

CDC Consumer Deception Counsel

This is the Same CDC that did such a bang up job during the Ebola scare.
This is the same CDC that has allowed TIDE to continue Selling Desolvable Laundry packets after years of Poison control center calls(reaching into the thousands), Emergency room visits and even child death. Those Brightly colored Packets that some say looks like CANDY. Hmmm.

But they pretend to be worried about the children - No they are worried about the Money.

 

[Train2]

Wizard Labs
Nude Nicotine
MyFreedomSmokes

Bought at all 3 and would again...

Hmm, now you have got me thinking, I need to put together a nice vape gear bugout bag with a bunch of DIY ingredients. Anyone know a good place for nic juice, pg, vg and flavorings?

 

[GinnyTx]

it's a positive thing for ADULTS ..gets us off the smokes..and typical for our media we've got to demonize it before we can tax the hell out of it.


I've seen a minor try to buy juice (he was getting off dipping) and was refused service at our B&M and the stupid thing is he said he'd been dipping /smoking since he was 14..go get your mama to come in with yah Sweetie to get your juice.

but that's how it works here in the great US of A easy peasy for him to buy dip & smokes and difficult to get off 'em..see a pattern here?

 

[BigEgo]

USA is way too protective of children, it borders on lunacy. In my grandparent's generation you were basically on your own as a teenager. In my parent's generation you worked from the time you could walk (literally) out in the fields picking cotton or whatever else was being grown. Nowadays you would have the government arresting such parents. People now are just wimps.

In Germany you drink beer pretty much out of the womb. A lot of countries don't have nearly as strict of laws on alcohol, tobacco and drugs and they appear to be doing just fine.

I have no issue with making a law that you need to be 18 to use nicotine products, but the CDC acts as if this is some national emergency. There's A LOT worse things kids can do to their bodies than vaping. The average American diet will kill you faster than even smoking analogs will. Sugar is probably the #1 killer in this country and we never hear anything about it (even though the evidence is pretty overwhelming that it's the major cause of obesity and heart disease).

I really wish the CDC and FDA would spend more time educating us on risks than they would on political lobbying to get things banned. Every time they mention studies on vaping, they never give details and when they do, they are highly misleading statements. They always make statements like "there's been bad things found in e-liquid." The question is how do these bad chemicals compare to tobacco cigarettes? They always dance around this question.

They should act as an impartial scientific body, but they really aren't. The CDC and FDA are full of a bunch of ideologues that twist the science to fit their own agenda. I mean I have seen very little research on e-cigs from the FDA. All they do is comment on other research and mislead the public on what the studies really mean.

 

[InTheShade]

Actually I have to call BS, reason being and I can almost guarantee that the tests were done using big tobaccos cigalikes. The Vuse e-cigarette has a damn plastic wick in it. Someone on here had posted a picture of one of the carts taken apart and torched the wick, it turned into a long piece of solid plastic. If anyone is bringing vaping down, it's big tobacco and their greedy get rick quick scheme who cares if they are vaping plastic.

Why do you think big tobacco want to bring down vaping?

Because they are losing money is the answer. I speculated a few weeks back that these BT companies must be able to make something better than a cig a like, and the reason they are not is because they don't want vaping to succeed.

They'd prefer to maintain the status quo and have us all smoking again. They don't want to invest millions on products and organize new supply chains and such, they just want us to stop vaping and smoke.

For me this is the main reason why I don't want to see big tobacco anywhere near our vape meets, advertising on TV or having anything to do with vaping.

 

[BigEgo]

Why do you think big tobacco want to bring down vaping?

Because they are losing money is the answer. I speculated a few weeks back that these BT companies must be able to make something better than a cig a like, and the reason they are not is because they don't want vaping to succeed.

I think they don't move past the cigalike because they like the idea of a user buying a $15 "pack" of e-cigs every week or two. They want that repeat business. The BT companies have untold billions of equity, so they could easily hire the best engineers and buy the best equipment to produce high quality mods, but they don't. So the fact they don't must mean they feel their cigalike business is good enough or they feel it's better to wait until they see what the FDA plans on doing before they invest more money in the mod market.

I am not much of a conspiracy theorist and I find it doubtful that BT is working with the FDA to ban e-cigs. I think the FDA just has a lot of anti-smoking ideologues that can't get past the idea that vaping "looks like" smoking.

 

[InTheShade]

I don't think they necessarily need to be in bed with the FDA, I just believe they don't want vaping to succeed and therefore peddle their crappy products. While it's a reasonable argument that they are waiting for the FDA to move first before investing in new products, I don't think so.

BT know how long it will be before the FDA move to legislate. I agree that they could indeed hire the best engineers and bring superior products to market in short order, which is another reason why I don't think they want vaping to succeed. There is time for them to make plenty of money and with limited risk, but they choose not to.

No conspiracy, I am just struggling to come up with a plausible reason why not.

 

[defdock]

and no where in the article did it talk about how easy it was for "a child" to get ahold of said items... the headline has nothing to do with the article... just more bugus BS

 

[towelie]

"don't b&m shops have the right to refuse service?" Not if they serve to the public.

I don't think that's accurate. You can't refuse service for a protected status such as race, sexual orientation, service animal ect...age is not a protected class. Even if it were I can refuse service if I don't like your attitude. If all else fails, I can go private, require membership and refuse service for anything at all.