hi. i have a mixing question.

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mmrock

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i found this great site: 24mg/ml Nicotine Solution . well i think its great. it might be. great prices at least! lol

my question is: if i get 24mg Nicotine solution - 500ml , is that already mixed with pg and vg? do i need to add anything else to it?.... would i be able to get that and add some flavor to it and vape it? or do i need to do something else with it?
 

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That does come in base solution of PG and/or VG. You don't need to add anything else to it...If you want to vape 24mg flavorless. If you want flavor, then you'll have to add it. But keep in mind that by adding anything to it, it will dilute it and your end result will be less nicotine in the solution. There are plenty of variables here. Do you want it in VG, PG, or a mix of the two? Adding flavoring will also dilute that, so if you want to keep a certain mix, you'll need to add that base VG or PG as well, in the correct proportions. If you grab up the ejuice Me Up calculator, you can play around with it and figure all this out pretty easily. You just punch in what you want and hit the Calculate button. It will do all the math for you and tell you what and how much you need to add to get your desired end result.
 

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I am also new and found this pg/vg stuff confusing.

When you create your ejuice blends, using ejuice calculator, you will notice down in the body of the screen you will see PG___% and VG__%. This is the ratio of pg to vg of your "blend". These ratios affect vapor, throat hit, and flavor transmission among other things.

This is not to be confused with the "nicotine strength "PG___% VG___%" on the top of the screen.

What this means is that your nicotine has been suspended/diluted with pg/vg/ or a mix(50/50) to get the advertised strength(36mg/48mg/100mg) used to determine the "target strength" of your blend. You will also note that flavors are also "suspended" in pg,vg,etc.

I'm sure this has an impact on the "blend ratio", but, that math is above my pay grade. Of course these are my opinions and may in fact be wrong and probably be corrected by a veteran on this forum. :toast:
 
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The PG:VG % thing is generally a ratio, not absolute %s of PG and/or VG in the juice. With time you start to figure out what blend of carrier liquids you like the most. Lets say it is 70:30 PG:VG. Make a bunch of 70:30 PG:VG liquid (no nic, no flavor), just 7 volume parts PG to 3 volume parts VG. That will be your dilutant in a DIY.

Then order high-nic unflavored liquid with a 70:30 ratio for the carrier in that liquid. Then dilute accordingly with your 70:30 carrier liquid to get the right nic level for you (I use Scubabatdan's e-juice calculator spreadsheet, in the sticky for DIY forum). Your final juice will have a 70:30 ratio for the carrier liquids...if it is unflavored.

You are correct, however, that most flavorings are a PG suspension, so if you use one of these flavors your final carrier ratio will be a little more than 70:30. I personally do not ahve this issue for the most part, since I vape only VG-water juices, and the only PG is what might be in the flavoring. I cannot vape much PG.
 

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.... I personally do not ahve this issue for the most part, since I vape only VG-water juices, and the only PG is what might be in the flavoring. I cannot vape much PG.

Not to be nosy, but, is this because of adverse reaction to PG or a flavor/vapor thing. I don't seem to have a problem, that I know of, with PG. I ask as it might help me in determining "my ratio". I am trying different ratios, but I prefer to use flavors because both PG & VG have different flavor transmission properties, or so I've read. I just tried a 60:40 and it had a soapy/oily taste/feel. Are there indications of to much of one or the other?

Thanks
 

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Not to be nosy, but, is this because of adverse reaction to PG or a flavor/vapor thing. I don't seem to have a problem, that I know of, with PG. I ask as it might help me in determining "my ratio". I am trying different ratios, but I prefer to use flavors because both PG & VG have different flavor transmission properties, or so I've read. I just tried a 60:40 and it had a soapy/oily taste/feel. Are there indications of to much of one or the other?

Thanks

You are not being nosy at all! :) You just joined ECF, and I'm not sure how long you have been vaping, but it can take 2-3 months to really find what works for you, given all the variables. There is no black and white, best and worst here.

PG dries my mouth and throat out way too much. VG does not. If I ignore the drying out, PG will make mouth sores and other gastric problems. So its not a choice for me, I have to make VG work somehow, and I do this by thinning it with 10-20% distilled water, depending on if I am vaping flavored DIY or unflavored. Most flavors are a PG solution, so if I make a flavored juice I have to limit the flavor to 10% or less, otherwise there will be too much PG, and lips get chapped, drinking water does not help the dryness, etc. Others that can tolerate more PG might make a 20% flavored juice. Some thin VG with pure grain alcohol or vodka. This really opens up the flavors and nic, but it dries me out too much.

When new vapers ask what PG:VG ratio they should use, there will always be those that jump up and say 70:30 is best, or 60:40, or add some PGA. But the right answer is try a ratio, as in try it for a few days, and see what it does for you. No black and white here. If you find PG does not bother you, then more power to ya! It is pretty safe, in general, especially if it does not cause any of the above mentioned symptoms. Lots of inhalant drugs have PG, but then people don't inhale those like a freight train on fire, either.

Flavors are another story. An interesting story, but a very complicated one. Most flavorings are solutions of several different compounds, most of which are not studied for inhalation issues to the extent we inhale them. Safe for eaten food, but not known much about for breathing a lot in. The majority are fine, no problems reported. Some flavors, like hot cinnamon will cause skin burns in pure form. But when someone reports mouth sores or throat closing or lung ache from cinnamon juices, there will always be someone that says it doesn't bother them at all, so it must be the VG! Or try the hot cinnamon from vapor-bludgeoned.com, I vape it all day long! The right answer for the one reporting problems is DON'T VAPE CINNAMON! But people can get irrationally attached to the flavors of their juices, and rationalize serious issues. These particular problems are pretty rare, however...that we know of.

If a DIY with a particular flavor makes me cough or throat tickle, I don't use that flavor again. If it dries me out, same thing. 1000s of flavors out there, try another one. I cannot vape a juice that has Capellas Milk Chocolate Toffee flavoring. Gives me something like smoker's cough. Tried several times, down to 2% in a juice, same issue. Capellas French Toast is so yummy, but it has too much cinnamon in it for me, and over time will cause major problems...not right away, but over time if I vape it a lot. Most flavor issues are not immediate, but develop over time. Some flavors taste really great at first, but they get cloying or unpleasant over time. Or give a headache (anything peach will do that to me).

I have bought 100s flavorings over the years. The vast majority do not cause problems, but I only really enjoy a few regularly. Most just get annoying after a while, a few cause problems, others I vape all the time. My too favorites right now are Capellas Cappuccino and FlavorArt Tiramisu. But at work, I don't want my office to smell like a bakery. Don't believe the hype that vaping flavored juices has little smell. They smell, and some really strongly. They smell good, in general, but its not appropriate for all work situations. So I vape unflavored at work, and really enjoy it. Its light, and I like the faint taste of nicotine (some unflavored nics are better than others though).

When I get some flavors in, I make a 3 mL test bottle of each at 10% and around 12 mg nic. The one that I go through the fastest is the one that will get scaled up, and I have a pretty good idea as to whether I can tolerate the flavoring. If I make 10 test flavors, generally 1 or 2 will make the cut, the rest not so much...most from the taste, not physical problems.

Long winded, but you asked about important things. Hope this helps. Vape on!! :)
 

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You are not being nosy at all! :) You just joined ECF, and I'm not sure how long you have been vaping, but it can take 2-3 months to really find what works for you, given all the variables. There is no black and white, best and worst here. .....

Long winded, but you asked about important things. Hope this helps. Vape on!! :)

Thank you VERY much for your detailed reply. This just what I needed! :toast:
 

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Kurt,

I liked your reply so much that I had to print it so I could really get the feel of it. New is not the half of it, just 2 weeks. My mouth is just beginning to "taste" the vapes without burning.

I am trying different ratios and flavor %'s just to get a feel for things. Just as in the flavors, if I have a reaction to PG is will solely be mine. I'm sure there could be some flavor impacts as well(just guessing). I agree, I'm one that likes the Cinnamon Red Hots. I found this start with 20 drops +1,-3 formula I'm trying, can't remember who posted it, to narrow down the candidates. I then make a 3ml batch of the winner. Others have posted that the Cinnamon is really hot and the Marachino Cherry is strong. @ 15% the Cherry is "soapy" and @ 15% the Cinnamon is just about right, a little sweet in fact. So, to each their own.

I was using your 3ml @10% with different ratios, but, thought if I could get a feel for the flavors in a few drops it might be worth a try.

My problem is I like to have 2-3 flavors mixed and alternate. I find this helps with the identifications of the flavors a little bit and seems to take it a little easier on my mouth.

Once again, thanks for the info!
 
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There is a range of different cinnamon flavorings. Some are mostly cinnamaldehyde, and are oils, and some use other cinnamon compounds. There are a bunch of them, and accordingly there are a bunch of different cinnamon species in the world. Some are very hot, some more floral, some sweeter. My 10% test is for non-oil flavors. Most oils need ~1%. Tried a 10% peppermint juice once...once. Like having your head blasted by an Altoid cannon.

DIY is great and wonderful fun...and so much cheaper once you are set up than buying flavored juices. Use caution, listen to your body, it generally knows if something is wrong. If cinnamon is causing problems, you will know. I could give more examples, but the bottom line is flavors are the great unknown in vaping, and what does not affect someone else might affect you strongly. And do not expect a flavor company to tell you what is safe...they only know what is generally safe for eating, not inhaling.
 
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