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Izan

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Started with Ti and moved to SS.
I always wanted to try TC with zirconium wire, but I gave up and returned to my 18650 mech squonker roots using Ni80.

My AF devices are all older joye/eleaf vtc mini/picos.
I would likely choose a dna device if I ever needed TC capabilities again.

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cliffman

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Started with Ti and moved to SS.
I always wanted to try TC with zirconium wire, but I gave up and returned to my 18650 mech squonker roots using Ni80.

My AF devices are all older joye/eleaf vtc mini/picos.
I would likely choose a DNA device if I ever needed TC capabilities again.

Cheers
I
I tried KA1 and SS at first, feeling TA1 might be better, in mind, and using it for years. For TC, it seems the TCR of TA1 is better than SS.

LostVape BTB is good on vaping for me, can't find better AF devices. But Aegis-X is more suitable for coil maintenance.
I do have DNA75 and DNA250, can't tell much; maybe I should vape more on DNAs.
 
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No disposables and PODs, not trusting ceramic at all.
Huh? Ceramic is a wick type.

I haven't seen any ceramic wicks in a long time. They were a 2000‘s thing iirc. They might exist in some cartridges or pods or disposables I guess.

I personally prefer cotton wicks for safety. They act as fuses. (horrible for big disposables. “Hey dude my ecig is dead after just a few days”)

Cotton is cellulose which means it spontaneously combusts at 451f, which is way below the temp that juice can do all those nasty things detractors claim it can. Ceramics have vastly higher heat tolerance. They don’t burn, much like glass wicks, but because of that you CAN get into those high temps where ecig juice components change state.

Do you mean rebuildables? RTAs and RDAs?
 

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Yes, the "ceramic" is kind of a wick type. But please forgive me for the misleading. The "ceramic" I mentioned is the ceramic parts of heating elements used in many PODs, looks like porous solid.
I made some simple tests on these "ceramics", and they are fragile.

As I understand, the vaping process is somewhat similar to ultrasonic cleaning with micro bubble bursts; in this situation, the "ceramic" might break into dust and be sucked into the lungs....

Correct me if I'm wrong, and sorry for my poor English; it's not my native; I had to google translate myself for some parts.
 
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Yes, the "ceramic" is kind of a wick type. But please forgive me for the misleading. The "ceramic" I mentioned is the ceramic parts of heating elements used in many PODs, looks like porous solid.
I made some simple tests on these "ceramics", and they are fragile.

As I understand, the vaping process is somewhat similar to ultrasonic cleaning with micro bubble bursts; in this situation, the "ceramic" might break into dust and be sucked into the lungs....

Correct me if I'm wrong, and sorry for my poor English; it's not my native; I had to google translate myself for some parts.
Yeah. There are all kinds of problems with ceramics. There are reasons you don’t see them anymore. I’ve never thrown one in an ultrasonic cleaner and don’t even own one, but I could definitely see that happening. The whole “cleaning with microscopic explosions” thing ultrasonic cleaners do wouldn’t be great for microscopic pore structures made of ceramic.

I recently watched a video on a porous metal sword that had flammable gas pumped into it to make a flaming sword. Worked pretty well. I do wonder what an ultrasonic cleaner would do to it. Maybe it’s tough enough and it works great. Maybe not so much.
 
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Yeah. There are all kinds of problems with ceramics. There are reasons you don’t see them anymore. I’ve never thrown one in an ultrasonic cleaner and don’t even own one, but I could definitely see that happening. The whole “cleaning with microscopic explosions” thing ultrasonic cleaners do wouldn’t be great for microscopic pore structures made of ceramic.

I recently watched a video on a porous metal sword that had flammable gas pumped into it to make a flaming sword. Worked pretty well. I do wonder what an ultrasonic cleaner would do to it. Maybe it’s tough enough and it works great. Maybe not so much.
It's great to meet people who have good imagination.

I used to have an ultrasonic cleaner for a time. For cleaning oil and stains, it is never better than my dishwasher, not even close, not sure about how it can deal with carbon deposits on coil. The ultrasonic power of the ultrasonic cleaner is 80 W, maybe too low. There are some guys on YouTube DIY ultrasonic cleaners. I watched them testing tin foil in ultrasonic cleaners; it was interesting.

I agree with their conclusion: the ultrasonic is more effective on stains with cracks and gaps; bubbles appearing in could expand the gap and finally make stains break; so was soft metal, but for strong metal, it is not so effective.
 

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It's great to meet people who have good imagination.

I used to have an ultrasonic cleaner for a time. For cleaning oil and stains, it is never better than my dishwasher, not even close, not sure about how it can deal with carbon deposits on coil. The ultrasonic power of the ultrasonic cleaner is 80 W, maybe too low. There are some guys on YouTube DIY ultrasonic cleaners. I watched them testing tin foil in ultrasonic cleaners; it was interesting.

I agree with their conclusion: the ultrasonic is more effective on stains with cracks and gaps; bubbles appearing in could expand the gap and finally make stains break; so was soft metal, but for strong metal, it is not so effective.
I understand the more brittle gunk is the better ultrasonic cleaners work. It wouldn’t surprise me that the work well on carbon buildup the cleaned object needs to be either tough enough to withstand the explosions (metal jewelry) or soft enough to move without damage. Soft materials don’t work very well because they just absorb the explosions. So mostly they’re used for small intricate metal parts that are a bit of a PITA to clean otherwise. If you are trying to clean metal OFF something, a tough metal is going to suck.
 

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