High voltage, atty size, fluid use....

[Winace]

OK, just wanted to throw a couple things out there and get some feedback.

First off, increasing voltage will run the atty hotter, which will consume more fluid, correct? This gives harder hits due too more fluid consumption per hit. More vapor will increase throat hit, but would there not be more efficient ways to do this? First off, the more vapor exhaled is more vapor not utilized by your body. Increasing the density of vapor inhaled is not increasing lung surface volume to absorb the nic. Yes it will give you more nic due to density, but not in proportion to the liquid you are burning. It would be more efficient to bump up nic level and keep burning at a lower atty temp to conserve juice.

I think the biggest hurdle for us to tackle is cartridge volume and liquid utilization from said cartridge. If you burn an entire cart in 10 hits at 6 volts compared to 30 hits on 3 volts with almost equivelant nic intake, where is that getting you? Just burning more liquid when capacity is already an issue.

Battery run time is an issue, another thing manufacturers need to work on.

Has not anyone designed a unit where the air current pulls liquid through the filter to the atty? Basically reverse build the unit where the cart has nowhere to dump but to the atty and air has to be pulled through the atty. This seems like the most logical way, along with "wicking" the juice to the atty. The harder you pull, the bigger the hit due to increased fluid AT the atty. Also, increasing atty surface area would allow for an increase in burning area making it more efficient. Like a reverse cone type atty would increase burning surface area significantly. Just throwing this out there for general discussion.

Basically, if a unit is produced that someone picks up, smokes it with consistent hits, and does not have to change cartidges or refill often I think it would be much more widely accepted.

 

[thewomenfolk]

Winnace, I'll buy the first PC you make. Makes sense to me to have the juice drawn to the atty when you vape. I think the PV makers are trying to make a more efficient PV, like one that has a button that you push to wet the atty. But simply having the vape itself draw the juice to the atty makes more sense. Is that how the automatics work? If so, it's not a perfect science by a long shot.

My first PV was an automatic and sooooo frustrating as I hardly ever got vapor, but it did give me great hope, which is just what I needed so badly, and now that's realized with my 510 and my Janty Stick, which is with me all the time. It's the slickest little device in the world. I've ordered another PV that will operate at 6V but wonder if I'll ever need or use that. I'll prolly stick with the 3.7V side of it.

 

[Houdini]

OK, just wanted to throw a couple things out there and get some feedback.



Has not anyone designed a unit where the air current pulls liquid through the filter to the atty? Basically reverse build the unit where the cart has nowhere to dump but to the atty and air has to be pulled through the atty. This seems like the most logical way, along with "wicking" the juice to the atty. The harder you pull, the bigger the hit due to increased fluid AT the atty. Also, increasing atty surface area would allow for an increase in burning area making it more efficient. Like a reverse cone type atty would increase burning surface area significantly. Just throwing this out there for general discussion.

What you described is already how the cartridge/atty works.

 

[Winace]

Winnace, I'll buy the first PC you make. Makes sense to me to have the juice drawn to the atty when you vape. I think the PV makers are trying to make a more efficient PV, like one that has a button that you push to wet the atty. But simply having the vape itself draw the juice to the atty makes more sense. Is that how the automatics work? If so, it's not a perfect science by a long shot.

My first PV was an automatic and sooooo frustrating as I hardly ever got vapor, but it did give me great hope, which is just what I needed so badly, and now that's realized with my 510 and my Janty Stick, which is with me all the time. It's the slickest little device in the world. I've ordered another PV that will operate at 6V but wonder if I'll ever need or use that. I'll prolly stick with the 3.7V side of it.

As far as I know, no company makes what I mentioned, and most likely will not. This would throw out the "consumable" portion of the product, which they want to make residual repeat income off of the public with. This is the same reason why someone picking up an NPRO at their local gas station will have a bad initial experience and discount vaping alltogether. They are designed to replace cartridges very frequently. At a cost of 20.00 for 10 carts (bout 0.25ml per cart) they would be making a killing. They are targeting "health" conciencious smokers, not the common poor folk!

The industry, as a whole, is being introduced to the public very poorly by these manufacturers. We are fighting a big enough battle against corporate greed (tobacco and health care), let alone crappy manufacturing processes not helping the cause.

 

[Winace]

As far as manual priming, that is nothing more than the old school "oil can" type device. It can be made with a one way valve for refilling via syringe and a much larger holding capacity, I have already designed such a device. My background has some pretty in depth fluidics and engineering involved. I also am working on a self priming cart. Where the cart holds nothing but fluid and is depressed by a plunger attached to the endcap. Simply depressing the mouthpiece like a pen would drop 1 drop on the atty, repeat as desired with a much larger cart (no wicking material displacement).

 

[Winace]

What you described is already how the cartridge/atty works.

You may have misunderstood. Having the cart open at both ends and pulling fluid through it, not from it. The air passage through the filter, not beside, would increase performance. This is only a basic step, much better designs trump this.

 

[breakfastchef]

I vape at 6 volts for the vapor (visual cue) and throat hit (physical cue). While I suspect that most of the nicotine inhaled in a draw off a high-voltage device is absorbed, I am hoping that the 6 volt source will allow me to reduce my nicotine intake while preserving the analog-like experience.

To your other comments...

Nothing electronic - at this time - will ever be as reliable as an analog. Those things are perfect everytime.

Battery life at 5-6 volts is pretty meager, but replacement cells are cheap. Power sources for atomizers are about as tricked out as battery technology will allow.

Cartridges are less convenient so I choose to drip exclusively. If you vape more than the cartridge can supply liquid to the atomizer, you quickly ditech the cartridges and pick your own dosage.