High Voltage Battery Questions an Options

[Sad Society]

I thought there would've been a section in the forum for battery threads but I don't see one so I'll just post here.

How are you supposed to vape at 6v? I mean what batteries do you use?

I have an Indulgence mod that I would like to use at 6v. I order to do that you need to use 2 of the 16340 3.0v batteries together to make it six volts. So what 3.0v protected batteries are out there. I read that Tenergy wasn't that great but that was just one person.

Eastmall.net sells the Indulgence and they also sell LiFeP04 16340 3.2v, 1000mah batteries for 8 dollars a pair.

I've been looking on the net for two days for other who sell similar batteries, and its almost like searching for a needle in a haystack. I have found some but I don't think they are pcb style, I mean if they don't specifically say that they are protected then they are probably not.

It is important to me that they are protected. I am looking for rechargeable batteries.

Also how do the 17335 compare to the 16340 batteries? I'm still learning about batteries as I go along and all these different model numbers like CR123A and other similar numbers are confusing.

Can someone please help me out with this.

 

[El Dee]

IDK for sure but I believe the batts you listed are too long to be stacked. I use 2 RCR 123As in the GGTS to hit 6V. Got mine at Battery Junction....Pass the JUICE!!

 

[Sad Society]

2 16340 batteries would not be too long to be stacked for the Indulgence. What brand RCR 123A batteries from battery junction are you using? And what is the voltage per battery?

 

[El Dee]

Tenergy at 3V and protected. They are silver w/a blue band around the bottom.

 

[Quick1]

I just bought 4 of the Tenergy's referred to above and they are not working right.
They seemed to work fine right out of the box (came fully charged) and it went down hill fast after that. After the first use (over a couple of hours) one of the batteries was fully discharged (protection circuit had cut in) and the other was only a couple of tenths discharged. I tried the second pair with the same result. I charged the depleted battery and tried it again. This time I only got about 1/2 hour. Second pair the same. repeat and I would only get about 10 weak puffs before they cut off. Then I tried the two batteries together that didn't seem to be discharging. Same thing. It seems that maybe they can't be stacked (although I believe I read on the product detail somewhere that they could). I have a ticket in at all-battery and hopefully will get a call back from tech support soon (customer service couldn't help).

For battery sizes. The ones that are all numbers are diameter and length. The length includes the button top if it has one. first 2 numbers are diameter in mm and the following 2 (or 3?) are length in mm.
16340 -- 16 mm diameter, 34 mm length
17355 -- 17 mm diameter, 35.5? mm length (aka CR123A)

"CR..." is a primary cell and "RCR..." would be a rechargable.

Not complete, but a good wikipedia page on common sizes.
List of battery sizes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Sad Society]

Thanks for you input Quick1

Those Tenergy RCR 123A are the same as 16340 model batteries. I want something rechargeable at 3.0v or 3.2v that is protected and is not Tenergy.

Madvape sells some at $5.99 a battery but at that rate I might as well get them from Eastmall at 8 dollars a pair. Are there any other options?

 

[El Dee]

Quick I've got an even dozen that I keep in rotation and have had no problems like you have..That doesn't sound very amusing at all. I always stack them as well with no problems. Usually I get 1/2 a day or a little more/less depending on the situation/dependancy..

 

[Sad Society]

Thank You for the info on battery model numbers Quick1. That is very helpful.

 

[Sad Society]

I can find 16340/RCR 123A at 3.7v and 3.6v with no problem. But at 3.0v protected...thats a different story.

They exist but its just not common.

 

[Quick1]

Quick I've got an even dozen that I keep in rotation and have had no problems like you have..That doesn't sound very amusing at all. I always stack them as well with no problems. Usually I get 1/2 a day or a little more/less depending on the situation/dependancy..

Well, this is encouraging. Hopefully I just got defective ones and replacements will work as expected.

 

[Princessdee]

I know you said you don't like tenergy, but I've been using these for months without a problem.
I have 2 pair and the charger. Hubby has 2 pair and the charger.
I only need to change them twice a day (usually in the morning then again about 6PM-ish)
Neither of us has ever had a problem with the batteries.

Tenergy 4 Pack RCR123A 3V 900mAh Rechargeable Li-Ion Battery with Smart Charger

 

[Quick1]

I know you said you don't like tenergy, but I've been using these for months without a problem.
I have 2 pair and the charger. Hubby has 2 pair and the charger.
I only need to change them twice a day (usually in the morning then again about 6PM-ish)
Neither of us has ever had a problem with the batteries.

Tenergy 4 Pack RCR123A 3V 900mAh Rechargeable Li-Ion Battery with Smart Charger

I'm going to have to RMA mine and try another set.

 

[Princessdee]

After we'd used the charger probably 3 months, I had to (unplug it) and stick a letter opener under the little metal thingy that sets against the bottom of the battery. (Forces the battery tight up against the top to charge.)

They do loosen up with use, but it's easy enough to pull them back out a bit.

yeah, tho. If it's brand new and not working, RMA it.
Seems like maybe the same QC guys work the atty factory during the day and at the battery factory at night.

 

[Quick1]

Well, it's the batteries and not the charger but it's encouraging that someone has them working in a stacked configuration. Good indication that it's just the particular set I have and not the circuit or battery design.

 

[WetStick]

I just received some UltraFire 16340 800mAh 3.0V from Protected 16340/RCR123A 3.0 V Lithium Ion Battery

It shows 68 left in stock.

 

[Princessdee]

Yup, working fine. I'm picking up another 4 on payday cause he keeps leaving a set at work. (Then takes mine)

 

[Quick1]

I just received some UltraFire 16340 800mAh 3.0V from Protected 16340/RCR123A 3.0 V Lithium Ion Battery

It shows 68 left in stock.

Those won't fit. Those are 36 mm long and I can only fit up to 69 mm.
It's a bit of a stretch to say those are 16340s -- 16 mm D, 34 mm L. They are clearly labeled as 36 mm long though in the description. I do have a set of his protected CR2's that I use in my BB and they work great. I wish he could shave 2 mm off of those RCR123a's...

 

[WetStick]

Sorry that didn't work out. I use them in the GGTS, so I haven't had any size constraints.

I would say "Try Interstate Battery"; but, I bought 2 RCR123a and the charger. But, they are expensive and either the charger and/or the batteries were DOA. This was my first experience with that type of battery, so I didn't have anything to test either. So I took them back to Interstate. They said that they "do not refund" on batteries, so they sent both out to the factory. That was over 5 months ago and I haven't heard back.

 

[Drozd]

here's the issue I see with the tenergy batteries....their max drain rate is <.55A....so depending on which atty you're using at 6V the overdischarge protection kicks in and they don't work....or in the case of the tenergy 3V LiFePo4 you're overstressing the battery...so how much damage you do to the battery through use....it's just borrowed time until they won't hold a charge anymore...

To the OP.... most of the 3V 16340 (which is the same thing as being CR123a size) are going to be LiFePo4 which is a safe chemistry battery and those don't have a protection board in them because they don't need them...there are exactly 2 3V LiFePo4 batteries that I personally think are good for doing 6V...those being the AW 3V 16340 LiFePo4 and the EM 3V 16340 LiFePo4...

Both of those batteries have a max drain rate that is higher than the worst amp draw you're going to throw at them....and they are safe chemistry...meaning they wont vent flames....(there is a possibility that they could vent gas if they failed...if you overdischarged them alot (and that's actively damaging the batteries, versus unknowingly damaging them)...but they wont vent flames like an unprotected Li-Ion would)

 

[Quick1]

here's the issue I see with the tenergy batteries....their max drain rate is <.55A....so depending on which atty you're using at 6V the overdischarge protection kicks in and they don't work....or in the case of the tenergy 3V LiFePo4 you're overstressing the battery...so how much damage you do to the battery through use....it's just borrowed time until they won't hold a charge anymore...

No. You may be talking about different batteries. These have the over current threshold on the pcb set to 3.0 - 3.5 Amps. So the max drain rate is about 3.5C. You should be able to use a regular Joye 510 with these. The specs look like they are perfect for our application. I think it's just the Tenergy LiFePo4s that have the <.55A max discharge rate.

These are voltage regulated to 3.0V (maybe up to 3.2v?). The voltage regulator kicks in within 12 - 14ms of load. The over current detection has a delay of 20 - 26ms so there is no overlap. No matter how charged they are the voltage will be limited to 3v. So when figuring the current draw through your atomizer resistance you would use 6.0v (maybe 6.4v just to give it a good margin). You would likely be fine with a 2.0 ohm atomizer and surely with a 2.2 ohm atomizer. All that is staying within the mfg operating specs. ...now if I could only get a set that works like everybody elses.

Rechargeable Batteries & Battery Chargers - 4 RCR123A 3.0V 900mAh Rechargeable Li-Ion Protected Batteries with a Smart Charger