check out this link i found 
anyone have any real info on pg long and short term effects??? What is Propylene Glycol?
anyone have any real info on pg long and short term effects??? What is Propylene Glycol?hmmmmmm think i might just us vg in my diy from now on!
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check out this link i found
What bugs me is that places like this NEVER produce the sources they claim. There has been plenty of discussion on this topic and honestly, the jury is still out.
Here's a general statement on exactly what PG is:
Propylene glycol is a synthetic liquid substance that absorbs water. Propylene glycol is also used to make polyester compounds, and as a base for deicing solutions. Propylene glycol is used by the chemical, food, and pharmaceutical industries as an antifreeze when leakage might lead to contact with food. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has classified propylene glycol as an additive that is “generally recognized as safe” for use in food. It is used to absorb extra water and maintain moisture in certain medicines, cosmetics, or food products. It is a solvent for food colors and flavors, and in the paint and plastics industries. Propylene glycol is also used to create artificial smoke or fog used in fire-fighting training and in theatrical productions. Other names for propylene glycol are 1,2-dihydroxypropane, 1,2-propanediol, methyl glycol, and trimethyl glycol. Propylene glycol is clear, colorless, slightly syrupy liquid at room temperature. It may exist in air in the vapor form, although propylene glycol must be heated or briskly shaken to produce a vapor. Propylene glycol is practically odorless and tasteless.
Source: ATSDR - Toxic Substances - Propylene Glycol
Then you better give up on modern life and move to the forest,
Propylene glycol USP/EP (pharmaceutical grade) is the only grade of propylene glycol used in health-sensitive applications, such as foodstuffs, animal feed, cosmetics and pharmaceuticals. It fulfills the strict quality specifications and hygiene regulations required by authorities responsible for health and safety worldwide. These quality requirements are specifically described in the Pharmacopoeias.
Propylene glycol USP/EP (pharmaceutical grade) is used as a non-active, "enabling" agent (excipient)
to carry tastes (flavours) in food and drinks
to make face creams, body lotions, deodorant-sticks, lipsticks and many other cosmetic articles soft, moist and consistent
to stabilise foams in cosmetic and healthcare products
to help pet and livestock feed retain its moisture and taste
to act as a carrier of active ingredients in vaccines, cough relief syrups or gel capsules to help deliver this substances within the body for treatment and prevention of diseases
Propylene glycol USP/EP (pharmaceutical grade) is the ideal carrier of a large variety of flavours that give most of today's food and beverage their distinctive taste: The substance itself is colour-, taste- and odourless, and it does not react on its own, which means that it can perform its function without impacting on other product attributes. It has been confirmed as safe and hygienic, and provides unique inherent properties with regard to holding/attracting both water- and oil-based substances. In food it is used to retain food colour pigments and distribute them evenly within the mixture.
The most direct way of applying a substance to the human body is injection into the blood or the tissue, closely followed by ingestion or inhalation. Making the curing agent reliably available to the organism is key to the efficiency of any pharmaceutical application. Propylene glycol USP/EP (pharmaceutical grade) is qualified and approved for this use as laid down in the respective Pharmacopoeia (USA, EU, Japan etc.). The main function of propylene glycol USP/EP (pharmaceutical grade) in pharmaceuticals is to solubilise and provide equal distribution of the active ingredient in the formulation, so that each pill, liquid dose or cream-based application always contains the exactly prescribed amount of curing agent:
Pharmaceutical applications include
therapeutic drugs and medicines, such as vaccines or cough syrup
local anaesthetics
antiseptics
vitamins and hormones
The amount needed to reach toxicity is 1gram per liter of blood so start chuggin.
Propylene glycol USP/EP (pharmaceutical grade) is the only grade of propylene glycol used in health-sensitive applications, such as foodstuffs, animal feed, cosmetics and pharmaceuticals. It fulfills the strict quality specifications and hygiene regulations required by authorities responsible for health and safety worldwide. These quality requirements are specifically described in the Pharmacopoeias.
Propylene glycol USP/EP (pharmaceutical grade) is used as a non-active, "enabling" agent (excipient)
to carry tastes (flavours) in food and drinks
to make face creams, body lotions, deodorant-sticks, lipsticks and many other cosmetic articles soft, moist and consistent
to stabilise foams in cosmetic and healthcare products
to help pet and livestock feed retain its moisture and taste
to act as a carrier of active ingredients in vaccines, cough relief syrups or gel capsules to help deliver this substances within the body for treatment and prevention of diseases
Propylene glycol USP/EP (pharmaceutical grade) is the ideal carrier of a large variety of flavours that give most of today's food and beverage their distinctive taste: The substance itself is colour-, taste- and odourless, and it does not react on its own, which means that it can perform its function without impacting on other product attributes. It has been confirmed as safe and hygienic, and provides unique inherent properties with regard to holding/attracting both water- and oil-based substances. In food it is used to retain food colour pigments and distribute them evenly within the mixture.
The most direct way of applying a substance to the human body is injection into the blood or the tissue, closely followed by ingestion or inhalation. Making the curing agent reliably available to the organism is key to the efficiency of any pharmaceutical application. Propylene glycol USP/EP (pharmaceutical grade) is qualified and approved for this use as laid down in the respective Pharmacopoeia (USA, EU, Japan etc.). The main function of propylene glycol USP/EP (pharmaceutical grade) in pharmaceuticals is to solubilise and provide equal distribution of the active ingredient in the formulation, so that each pill, liquid dose or cream-based application always contains the exactly prescribed amount of curing agent:
Pharmaceutical applications include
therapeutic drugs and medicines, such as vaccines or cough syrup
local anaesthetics
antiseptics
vitamins and hormones
The amount needed to reach toxicity is 1gram per liter of blood so start chuggin.
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I mean if you look at that site ... this is basically what they are doing.
"PG is the devil!"
"Fear not! There is an alternative, and we just so "happen" to sell it .."
Whether some of that information could be right or wrong doesn't bother me as much as the obvious fear mongering/propaganda technique they are using to try and sell product without citing a single source.
Makes you want to email them and ask for scientific data on their own product ... lol
"PG is the devil!"
"Fear not! There is an alternative, and we just so "happen" to sell it .."
Whether some of that information could be right or wrong doesn't bother me as much as the obvious fear mongering/propaganda technique they are using to try and sell product without citing a single source.
Makes you want to email them and ask for scientific data on their own product ... lol
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Thanks for the info people! I cut and paste stuff and put in my vape folder for new folks to read. But mostly so I don't miss speak when I tell folks that analogs are killin' them and botherin' the heck out of me.
how dare you spread your evil pro PG agenda here!!. YOU are the devil.... tryin to get me to huff antifreeze like that!!!
this all started back when........................... there is a company that decided to make SAFE antifreeze using PG instead of ethylene glycol, it got reported and distorted in a news cast as people who use ecig's are inhaling antifreeze,it stuck and hasnt stopped since..............and now there is this wave of uninformed people who thing that EG and PG are the same product. "becuase they are both used in antifreeze like OMG!"
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Don't forget this one.. it's even worse!!!
DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE!
Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there.
Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.
Dihydrogen monoxide:
· is also known as hydroxl acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
· contributes to the "greenhouse effect."
· may cause severe burns.
· contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
· accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
· may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
· has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
Contamination is reaching epidemic proportions!
Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every stream, lake, and reservoir in America today. But the pollution is global, and the contaminant has even been found in Antarctic ice. DHMO has caused millions of dollars of property damage in the midwest, and recently California.
Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
· as an industrial solvent and coolant.
· in nuclear power plants.
· in the production of styrofoam.
· as a fire ......ant.
· in many forms of cruel animal research.
· in the distribution of pesticides.
· as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.
Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. The impact on wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any longer!
The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its "importance to the economic health of this nation." In fact, the navy and other military organizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and designing multi-billion dollar devices to control and utilize it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military research facilities receive tons of it through a highly sophisticated underground distribution network. Many store large quantities for later use.
Hmm made me thirsty.. think I need a glass of DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE! (water..)
DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE!
Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there.
Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.
Dihydrogen monoxide:
· is also known as hydroxl acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
· contributes to the "greenhouse effect."
· may cause severe burns.
· contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
· accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
· may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
· has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
Contamination is reaching epidemic proportions!
Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every stream, lake, and reservoir in America today. But the pollution is global, and the contaminant has even been found in Antarctic ice. DHMO has caused millions of dollars of property damage in the midwest, and recently California.
Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
· as an industrial solvent and coolant.
· in nuclear power plants.
· in the production of styrofoam.
· as a fire ......ant.
· in many forms of cruel animal research.
· in the distribution of pesticides.
· as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.
Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. The impact on wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any longer!
The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its "importance to the economic health of this nation." In fact, the navy and other military organizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and designing multi-billion dollar devices to control and utilize it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military research facilities receive tons of it through a highly sophisticated underground distribution network. Many store large quantities for later use.
Hmm made me thirsty.. think I need a glass of DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE! (water..)
That is awesome Im printing this up and leaving them around work.
In the dihydrogen monoxide hoax, water is referred to by an unfamiliar name, "dihydrogen monoxide", followed by a listing of real effects of this chemical, in an attempt to convince people that it should be regulated, labeled as hazardous, or banned. The hoax is intended to illustrate how the lack of scientific literacy and an exaggerated analysis can lead to misplaced fears.[1] "Dihydrogen monoxide", shortened to "DHMO", is a name for water that is consistent with basic rules of chemical nomenclature,[2] but is not among the names published by IUPAC[3] and is almost exclusively used in humorous context.
In the dihydrogen monoxide hoax, water is referred to by an unfamiliar name, "dihydrogen monoxide", followed by a listing of real effects of this chemical, in an attempt to convince people that it should be regulated, labeled as hazardous, or banned. The hoax is intended to illustrate how the lack of scientific literacy and an exaggerated analysis can lead to misplaced fears.[1] "Dihydrogen monoxide", shortened to "DHMO", is a name for water that is consistent with basic rules of chemical nomenclature,[2] but is not among the names published by IUPAC[3] and is almost exclusively used in humorous context.
Exactly Thrasher! What do you think people would say if they realized we also vaped Glycerin??
Errr, edited out. Sorry!. Any advanced chemist course will tell you there's vast differences in substances, with basic changes to its core.
A good example is H2O and H2O2. One you drink, one will kill you if drank in large quantities. Just by adding an oxygen to hydrogen, you go from water to hydrogen peroxide.
A good example is H2O and H2O2. One you drink, one will kill you if drank in large quantities. Just by adding an oxygen to hydrogen, you go from water to hydrogen peroxide.
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Same thing if they knew it was in soap ... GOOD soaps that is. Glycerin is much better than detergents, which is why pure VG soap cost more than your average bar. Of course, back when I was making my own soaps ... I prefered a goats milk infused base. Feels sooo awesome on the skin.
H2O has a lethal dosage as well actually. Yes, people die every year from water over dosages.
Whoa - check this out............folks are drinking it - dang everyone gonna die
http://www.prochiller.com/files/GLYCOLGUIDE.pdf
http://www.prochiller.com/files/GLYCOLGUIDE.pdf
the amount needed to be toxic is astounding though but yes in some cases over hydration has caused blood thinning and electrolyte loss
Does this mean if I vape in below freezing water I can prevent hypothermia?
Try it and post ur findings - lol..........u may have a new way for divers to go look for seals in Alaska - lol
Does this mean if I vape in below freezing water I can prevent hypothermia?
sure you'll still get hypothermia, you just wont solidify...............
Hahaha ... Staying warm with the vapor ... clubbing seal with their pvs.
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