Brings back memories of the "rat hat" diving helmet ... but that was long ago and far away ...
Propylene glycol in e-cigarettes might keep us healthy
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PG is a common component in many personal lubricants, where those antiseptic properties might come in handy...
PG is like coffee.
One study shows coffee drinkers die sooner than non coffee drinkers.
Another shows coffee drinkers live longer than non coffee drinkers.
I read in the USA Today rag where poor diet is worse than smoking.
Eggs were bad, then they were good...butter was bad, now it's not?....
Let's ask Keith Richards to fill us in on his daily routine. If it's bad for ya, he's done it at least 5 times, yet Mick the health nut is the one getting a new heart valve....
One study shows coffee drinkers die sooner than non coffee drinkers.
Another shows coffee drinkers live longer than non coffee drinkers.
I read in the USA Today rag where poor diet is worse than smoking.
Eggs were bad, then they were good...butter was bad, now it's not?....
Let's ask Keith Richards to fill us in on his daily routine. If it's bad for ya, he's done it at least 5 times, yet Mick the health nut is the one getting a new heart valve....
I love eggs and I love coffee. Screw'em! Lol
Genetics are a wonderful thing.
I think smoking is worse than a poor diet personally, but not the kind of "poor" diet where someone weighs 530 lbs and they get hoisted out of their "chair" by a crane after death and they have never left the house in the past 30 years and their kids care for them but are also ashamed of them.
So I guess I need a definition of "poor" because I also think the results of said diets SMELL worse than smoking, too.
Anna
I think smoking is worse than a poor diet personally, but not the kind of "poor" diet where someone weighs 530 lbs and they get hoisted out of their "chair" by a crane after death and they have never left the house in the past 30 years and their kids care for them but are also ashamed of them.
So I guess I need a definition of "poor" because I also think the results of said diets SMELL worse than smoking, too.
Anna
I think it would be interesting if someone would study all those kids caught vaping in high schools around the country. How many were sick especially with a cold or the flu when they were caught? How many non vapers/smokers had a cold or the flu in those same high schools at the same? I remember always having to take tissues with me to school. I remember lots of other kids always having colds also. Could it be that the vaping students are sick less often and miss less school days?Why won't some researcher look for the positive instead of always looking for the negative?
Glycol glee? Let's put things in perspective. What's your cold atty taste like first thing in the morning?
This is EXACTLY the problem I feel is plaguing the USA and the other countries are following our example. The USA is becoming a nanny state. Politicians are praised for banning things that are considered "bad", and everything is bad in excess. Remember, toxicity is all about quantity. Water is generally good, but if you take too much of it, you'll experience hyponatremia.... or water intoxication. The only reason water isn't banned or outlawed, is because it's a necessary ingredient to live, and more importantly, people know it's recommended daily allowance and more often than not, they usually take less than the recommended daily allowance.
Now, when it comes to most everything else, it's all about moderation. Eggs are a good source of protien, but if taken too much, can lead to cholesterol problems. Is cholesterol bad? Well, that depends on your body, and everyone's body is slightly different. High cholesterol has been linked to heart disease, and eggs are very high in cholesterol... the problem is, your body produces it's own cholesterol. They're recently finding out that just because you eat something that is high in cholesterol, it doesn't mean that cholesterol gets into your bloodstream.
...what does all this talk about eggs have to do with vaping? Well, the FDA is trying to regulate it. The FDA was created to stop people from making false claims and regulate the "snake oil" situations. Early on, it worked. However, I believe the FDA has overstepped it's boundaries, and now can legally ban a substance it thinks is bad. The problem is, peoples bodies react differently to different substances. When taken in moderation, Nicotine has some positive effects. How much is recommended? Well, the body reacts differently from person to person, so you cannot really pin down an amount... like with eggs. The FDA is trying to set limits, regulate it, etc... IMO, the FDA should just leave it alone.. since the positive effects of vaping far outweigh the negative effects of the alternative which is smoking. Personally, I think it should be put in the homeopathic side of the FDA... because that is essentially what it is. a homeopathic alternative to smoking.
Wanted to say, from a chemical point of view (I mean the mulecular properties), the PG and VG are so similar. The biggest difference they have, is their name.
Other than their origin, PG is syntethised artificially from propylene and VG is extracted from soybean or palm oil. Talking of high purity PG or VG, the origin become irrelevant; just think of the common vinegar on our salads, there is no trace of wine in there, it is just some flavoured diluted acetic acid.
This I tend not to believe those who say they are intolerant to PG and therefore use VG-only e-liquids.
Like you are intolerant to orange juice so you turn to lemon juice.
I rather believe that people are more scared of the strangely sounding exotic name, or by the fact that PG is not a natural product. In the end, a Glycol is the chemical cousin of an alcohol.
My take on the naturality (or lack of it), is that industrial processes do denature even naturally originated substances; think how frying oil is extracted from rapeseed or corn, carrying out the oil from the seeds with a volatile solvent.
I mostly MTL vape high nic e-liquids with high PG, to minimise Vapour production indoor.
When I subohm, I use 70 % VG and not higher VG to avoid wicking problems; I dilute those 90% VG liquids as they are excessively viscous for my tanks.
Other than their origin, PG is syntethised artificially from propylene and VG is extracted from soybean or palm oil. Talking of high purity PG or VG, the origin become irrelevant; just think of the common vinegar on our salads, there is no trace of wine in there, it is just some flavoured diluted acetic acid.
This I tend not to believe those who say they are intolerant to PG and therefore use VG-only e-liquids.
Like you are intolerant to orange juice so you turn to lemon juice.
I rather believe that people are more scared of the strangely sounding exotic name, or by the fact that PG is not a natural product. In the end, a Glycol is the chemical cousin of an alcohol.
My take on the naturality (or lack of it), is that industrial processes do denature even naturally originated substances; think how frying oil is extracted from rapeseed or corn, carrying out the oil from the seeds with a volatile solvent.
I mostly MTL vape high nic e-liquids with high PG, to minimise Vapour production indoor.
When I subohm, I use 70 % VG and not higher VG to avoid wicking problems; I dilute those 90% VG liquids as they are excessively viscous for my tanks.
Thats all fine and dandy. Cool theory. Wrong af however.
I use VG without getting rashes on my forehead ruddy cheeks and painful sinus's but PG is very problematic as far as any of that is concerned.
The Juice I vape 99% of the time is VG/nic in VG/DW. Its a simple brew, no flavours.
I do have a couple of litres of various brands of PG that I have tried and everytime the result after 20mins to 30mins of vaping is the same, ruddy complexion, stinging eyes and painful sinus's. Vaping onward and past that point, will eventually lead to blotchy patches on my forehead and cheeks that sting to touch.
Working my way through this intolerance I havent left a lot of stones unturned. I can roll a spoonful of pg around in my mouth for 10 mins without any hint of problem and I can apply pg directly to my skin/forehead and there is zero problem are a couple of things I discovered.
The problem there is that even the tiniest chemical difference can have a dramatic effect on how something interacts with the human body. Methanol and ethanol are very similar, but which would you prefer to drink?
And that's when there's actually a difference in chemical formula. An enantiopure drug is a drug that can come in different isomers (isomer - basically two or more substances with the same chemical formula but a slight variation in molecular structure), one of which is a beneficial medication and the other of which is often acutely toxic and medically useless.
Maybe not the fountain of youth, but definitely a fountain of healthier living! ;-)
Interesting...I haven't had any either and I used to get them often...been 3 years vapeing and about 2 and half without bronchitis!!PG is also the biocide used to prevent algae from growing in computer watercooling loops. Probably explains why I haven't had any respiratory infections since I started vaping.*knock on wood*
I have an unverified hunch that the people who insist on max VG juice and the people who buy organic foods are the same. And they claim to be allergic because it sounds better than being a Choosy Charlie.
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I learned in my college class nicotine was proven to help those with mental disorders, it took a large dose of nicotine to work but it did temporarily reduce racing thoughts for the mentally prepared
My instructor in our Co-occurring disorders class informed us that there ARE benefits from nicotine for depression....but no...they will never approve it
My instructor for my Co-occurring disorders class also informed us recently that nicotine has been proven useful for depression....but we know that it won't be added to any med lists......if it helps why not???
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