Propylene glycol in e-cigarettes might keep us healthy

[NealBJr]

Tell her she could improve a little on her psychological treatment while providing physiological treatment/consult. If ya want of course ; )

Lol.. I know what ya mean. Sometimes, the doctors and physicians take out the human factor in their diagnostics. And if she does say something, I might say it.. after all, she's not the one who does the proctology exam so I'm safe... I think.....

 

[GOMuniEsq]

So, you can ignore the warnings, or threats.. but the truth is, you should take allergies seriously, even though you may think it's minor.

I hear you. No need to be indignant. I'm of the opinion that some (even many) cases are imaginary, but not all cases. Certainly not your case or the case of the other guy who posted a detailed description of his symptoms. I think we are fundamentally in agreement. I think it's good to poke fun at folks who are too serious about themselves.

 

[NealBJr]

I hear you. No need to be indignant. I'm of the opinion that some (even many) cases are imaginary, but not all cases. Certainly not your case or the case of the other guy who posted a detailed description of his symptoms. I think we are fundamentally in agreement. I think it's good to poke fun at folks who are too serious about themselves.

I have no idea what you're talking about.. we here at the FBI or FDA have no humor that we are aware of. If you do find something you find humorous, you can fill out an application for joke approval to be reviewed. We'll approve that joke once a panel of certified jokeologists are summoned to review submitted form and put up a research test with a control group. This may take 2-3 years for the results once the panel has accepted. Once it's deemed funny, I'll laugh...We've been trained for those situations.

 

[stols001]

Um. To whomever mentioned regulating nicotine as an antidepressant…..

Do you really want the FDA regulating nicotine products FOR REAL?

Because it's happening right now the start of that and it is rather unfortunate.

Should any doc wish to treat their patient with nicotine for depression there are plenty of nicotine lozenges available with even handy dandy dosing options. It's NOT HARD.

With that said, if you have the dream-- someday-- of your nicotine products being covered by insurance companies?? Well, I'm gonna start saving my receipts better.... For when hell freezes over.....

Anna

 

[Rossum]

With that said, if you have the dream-- someday-- of your nicotine products being covered by insurance companies??

The moment they are covered by insurance companies, the cash price will skyrocket.

Have you ever done the math on the per-unit nicotine cost of "approved" nicotine products such as patches?

 

[stols001]

Yes. One of my pdocs wanted me to try that nicotine inhaler but it was kind of like.... Food for the kid.... Or that.

I find the idea of nicotine as a treatment for depression a bit ludicrous personally. Although I do have a mood type illness and like, I was up to 3 ppd day.

I'm not denying it works, I AM saying that my use of the little niotiene inhaler tubes would have bankrupted me about 40 days in, if not less.

I used to wish that I could go to rehab for like, cigarettes but you couldn't mix it with the other drugs. Rehab is where EVERYONE smokes. AT least half the STAFF smokes if not more.

Anna

 

[Lordron's_Drag]

The problem there is that even the tiniest chemical difference can have a dramatic effect on how something interacts with the human body. Methanol and ethanol are very similar, but which would you prefer to drink?

And that's when there's actually a difference in chemical formula. An enantiopure drug is a drug that can come in different isomers (isomer - basically two or more substances with the same chemical formula but a slight variation in molecular structure), one of which is a beneficial medication and the other of which is often acutely toxic and medically useless.

I run methanol and ethanol in my turbo honda I wouldn't drink either lmao. It's a methanol water combination that's sprayed into the cylinder during the exhaust stroke meant to cool the Pistons surface as well as the intake vavles. Very very high compression

 

[Lordron's_Drag]

I run methanol and ethanol in my turbo honda I wouldn't drink either lmao

Lol side note it's been sitting in my unclez barn for years now that I don't have death wish. 560 hp 4 cylinder Honda accord it will do 200 no problemo

 

[DaveP]

Unfortunately, it's not the same for my physician. When asked if I smoked, I proudly said I've been vaping for 3 years, and feel much healthier... her reply was "good, now we'll have to get you off of vaping"..... kind of a bummer or a let down, but I have a feeling she's not on board with the whole vaping scene.

I would have to say to her that vaping finally got me off the cigarettes and vaping will keep me off the cigarettes. If the Royal College of Physicians in Britain pronounced it benign after 5 years of study, then it's safe, or at least magnitudes safer than smoking.

I'd pin her down and ask what is it that's bad about vaping besides the fact that it looks like smoking? You will likely get an answer along the lines of, "It's too new and we don't really know". That's a cop out because there's 10+ years of vaping history that's shown vaping to be without health issues. Sure, it might take 30 years to build a solid record of health impact, but 30 years of smoking will kill a portion of the population. 30 years of vaping is probably going to be inconsequential.

Sure, we don't know the long term story yet, but we do know at this point that it's much safer than smoking.

 

[Lordron's_Drag]

That's how the world works

 

[Lordron's_Drag]

Wow those guys vaping look cool let's ban it.

 

[NealBJr]

I would have to say to her that vaping finally got me off the cigarettes and vaping will keep me off the cigarettes. If the Royal College of Physicians in Britain pronounced it benign after 5 years of study, then it's safe, or at least magnitudes safer than smoking.

I'd pin her down and ask what is it that's bad about vaping besides the fact that it looks like smoking? You will likely get an answer along the lines of, "It's too new and we don't really know". That's a cop out because there's 10+ years of vaping history that's shown vaping to be without health issues. Sure, it might take 30 years to build a solid record of health impact, but 30 years of smoking will kill a portion of the population. 30 years of vaping is probably going to be inconsequential.

Sure, we don't know the long term story yet, but we do know at this point that it's much safer than smoking.

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree. I would also like to add that even though there is no official study on the long term effects of smoking, there are similar cases that have only raised one yellow flag to my knowledge. I always hear that there has been no study on the long term effects of vaping. Even though this is true, there have been industries that put you into a similar situation. Propylene glycol has been inhaled on a regular basis by stagehands and actors in theaters for well over half a century, and those fog machines use a lower grade quality that what vaping uses. To my knowledge, only some people have noted an irritation and no fatalities. As far as the flavors go... Most vaping flavors come from baking flavors and flavors that are also used in coffee. There are thousands of bakers and baristas that heat up the flavors on a daily basis. They also are in close proximity to the heated flavors and wear no protection for the vapor. To this date, I know of no fatalities or issues with the flavorings being heated up for longer times than vaping. And lastly, most of the older studies on nicotine has been focused around Cigarettes. Many of the older studies about nicotine are flawed, and involve using tobacco as a whole...with all of it's other chemicals being taken into account. Studies with Nicotine isolated recently has NOT shown nicotine to be a carcinogen, but it does increase the heart rate, and may lead to troubles with the heart. It's negative effects are parallel with caffeine when used at recommended dosages for the individual substances. Caffeine has a %99 absorption rate rate when consumed, and has no effect at 200-300mg on a daily basis. Death has occurred with a 4800mg dose of caffeine for a 19 year old, but I have no idea of his Body's mass. It is suggested that a lethal dose of nicotine ranges in the 500-1000mg range, which suggests that a toxic dosage of nicotine is 10 times less than caffeine... So, even if you chain vape, it would be near impossible to reach a lethal dose.

So, all these facts and figures pretty much say, when used as directed, there has been no red flags, or no concerns for health figures as long as you use it as directed. I do not know of any serious health issues that have caused a red flag to be raised. The only reason it has been banned and regulated, is because of how it was named and what it looks like... Electronic CIGARETTE and CIGARETTE have the same name and it's is used like a CIGARETTE, so let's ban it like a CIGARETTE because of it's name. Even though there has been NO indication that it causes serious health issues unless it is used in ways it was not supposed to be used.

 

[Lordron's_Drag]

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree. I would also like to add that even though there is no official study on the long term effects of smoking, there are similar cases that have only raised one yellow flag to my knowledge. I always hear that there has been no study on the long term effects of vaping. Even though this is true, there have been industries that put you into a similar situation. Propylene glycol has been inhaled on a regular basis by stagehands and actors in theaters for well over half a decade, and those fog machines use a lower grade quality that what vaping uses. To my knowledge, only some people have noted an irritation and no fatalities. As far as the flavors go... Most vaping flavors come from baking flavors and flavors that are also used in coffee. There are thousands of bakers and baristas that heat up the flavors on a daily basis. They also are in close proximity to the heated flavors and wear no protection for the vapor. To this date, I know of no fatalities or issues with the flavorings being heated up for longer times than vaping. And lastly, most of the older studies on nicotine has been focused around Cigarettes. Many of the older studies about nicotine are flawed, and involve using tobacco as a whole...with all of it's other chemicals being taken into account. Studies with Nicotine isolated recently has NOT shown nicotine to be a carcinogen, but it does increase the heart rate, and may lead to troubles with the heart. It's negative effects are parallel with caffeine when used at recommended dosages for the individual substances. Caffeine has a %99 absorption rate rate when consumed, and has no effect at 200-300mg on a daily basis. Death has occurred with a 4800mg dose of caffeine for a 19 year old, but I have no idea of his Body's mass. It is suggested that a lethal dose of nicotine ranges in the 500-1000mg range, which suggests that a toxic dosage of nicotine is 10 times less than caffeine... So, even if you chain vape, it would be near impossible to reach a lethal dose.

So, all these facts and figures pretty much say, when used as directed, there has been no red flags, or no concerns for health figures as long as you use it as directed. I do not know of any serious health issues that have caused a red flag to be raised. The only reason it has been banned and regulated, is because of how it was named and what it looks like... Electronic CIGARETTE and CIGARETTE have the same name and it's is used like a CIGARETTE, so let's ban it like a CIGARETTE because of it's name. Even though there has been NO indication that it causes serious health issues unless it is used in ways it was not supposed to be used.

Vape flavors also used in making tons of CANDY YAY

 

[ScottP]

Vape flavors also used in making tons of CANDY YAY

Actually flavors to me is probably the biggest risk. They are designed to be ingested not inhaled. Also we don't know what heating them up the way we do may break them down. The problem with studies on flavors is that every flavor is different.

 

[NealBJr]

Vape flavors also used in making tons of CANDY YAY

Not just candy, but pastry flavors. Pretty much anything that says artificial flavors in the ingredients probably has some sort of flavoring like what we can vape... It depends on the flavor and how they created it. That is where Lor'ans oils made their business. It just happens that we like those flavors. It's also why you tend to see the sweeter flavor is and none/few savory flavors. If you wanted to make a sugar free strawberry icing, you'll need a flavor without alcohol or sugars, since it's not baked. So, a natural flavor will have natural sugars, but the artificial ones use something to emulate the taste. Since sugars gunk up coils, and the alcohol doesn't evaporate on something that doesn't have heat applied, like icings and some hard candies. So bakeries use flavorings that are probably identical to what bakers have been using in their bakery. Factories use the same flavorings, so that is why I am fairly confident in the flavors, but wouldn't mind the FDA testing the flavors themselves. Instead, they're trying to require each combination of flavors to be tested.... kind of a backwards way of doing things, but I think they chose that requirement to make it more difficult for the vaping industry.