Holy Grail Cartridge: Fiber and Plastic Free

[override]

It's not rolled at all.. I lay the two (or three) screens on top of each other (flat). Then use a Bic ink pen top to form the cone so that it will pool at the center of the atty bridge. (exactly how Vaporer is describing). Once I've got the cone formed I push it into the cart. Then use the old atty to finish seating it and also to make sure I don't damage the good good atty.

Warning: If the brass screen does not pool toward the center, the nic runs down the outter walls and misses the bridge and thus floods the atty. The screen will sit a lot deeper in the atty than the poly did.

The screens can be purchased anywhere (even Ebay). The 1/2 diameter round ones are almost an exact fit.

It works perfectly, but hits much harder than the polyfil. I had to drop the nic level from 36mg down to 24mg.

Respects

I ordered my first E-Cig today from innovapor.com and so basically I'm trying to get as much reading done as possible on all the different techniques, mods, just whatever I can soak up before it gets here! I am interested in the mesh mod, I was wondering if you could take some pictures for an e-cig noob? I would greatly appreciate it! ;-)

 

[Vaporer]

If you are making the pool area with a flat or domed SS disk, you can prevent side leakage by inserting an O ring in the cart up against the disc.
I found my local hardware store has a drawers of diff sizes, some in silicone!
Take a cart with you and find the one that just fits. Put it in after the disc and any liquid that hits it "bridges" back to the disk.;-)

 

[Stric9]

I ordered my first E-Cig today from innovapor.com and so basically I'm trying to get as much reading done as possible on all the different techniques, mods, just whatever I can soak up before it gets here! I am interested in the mesh mod, I was wondering if you could take some pictures for an e-cig noob? I would greatly appreciate it! ;-)

Yeah... I can post a few photos. But I'm outta town (NJ) until Friday. I'll take a couple of pics and post them this weekend. Plus I like to use a mod a little while BEFORE turning anybody else on to them. Wanna make sure I don't keel over or something...LOL Vaporer - Are you using this? Does yours hit much harder than a normal cart to you? Mine chokes me if I hit it normally.Respects

 

[Vaporer]

I have carts built many ways.
The one with the SS disc pool cover works best for me with polyfil in front touching the atty. I tried Fluval and PTB and they seem to have to little surface touching the disc for even wicking. I pull the polyfil into "strand lengths", lay them parallel, trim the end to be inserted and then trim what sticks out.

 

[Stric9]

The photos are posted on a new thread (Brass Screen Mod). There was a conversation about this on two threads and I didn't want to post the photos on both threads.

Respects

 

[DaMulta]

I think the best idea would be heating up a glass tube with a spill proof container like a kids sippy cup.

 

[Hotot]

Has anyone tried putting the mesh from an old atty on top of the atty your useing? it could at least be an extra buffer for your regular filler being further away from the heat, and its obviously very good wicking metal.

 

[Snarkyone]

Something I have thought about doing with a m401 since they have those tiny, tiny reservoirs is use a small piece of shammy or Shamwow that's lying around. It holds liquid like nothing else and it cut back on the leaking big time, I imagine that would be good material for a 510 as well. I am not so sure about what exactly a Shamwow is made of but if memory serves me correct a true shammy would be organic and safe and it should hold liquid like a beast. Of course I would not use one that has been used to wash the car or something. The filler just really seems like the poorest solution to the problem. What about those dreaded analog filters, would those make a good filler if cut to size, I would think they would and they should be ok for any accidental consumption of some fibers.

 

[imogene]

Wow, these are some great ideas! Along with my original idea of using stainless steel mesh, I thought of the extra stainless steel screen I have from a broken french press. I know it'll never rust since I've been using it for years for coffee, and any "chemicals" on the screen has already been ingested by me. I know that the screen "wicks" because when wet the water just "sticks" to it.

I hadn't thought of the O-ring idea, but there's one right in the middle. It might be too large, but I'm going to try it.

 

[Ragman]

I used to snag stainless screens from the faucets in school for 'ahem' other reasons.

But I bet these would work just like the brass screens and if coned, like Stric9 stated, then it should work the same.

With the regular fillers, ive been told, you can wash them out and dry them after so many uses. I dont know how well you could do this with screens but I would think that the flavor of eliquid might stay for a little bit when you switch from one flavor to another.

How bout it Stric9? Does this happen to you? or do you always use the same flavor?

 

[Vaporer]

You can get #80 SS screen disks 1/2 & 3/4' on Amazon.com for abt $3-$4 for 12-25 of them.

 

[imogene]

I used to snag stainless screens from the faucets in school for 'ahem' other reasons.

But I bet these would work just like the brass screens and if coned, like Stric9 stated, then it should work the same.

With the regular fillers, ive been told, you can wash them out and dry them after so many uses. I dont know how well you could do this with screens but I would think that the flavor of eliquid might stay for a little bit when you switch from one flavor to another.

How bout it Stric9? Does this happen to you? or do you always use the same flavor?

I've only been using my stainless steel screen for a few hours now, but I think it'd be the other way around. I would think that the stainless would wash completely clean and the polyester would hold flavors.

I've used this same screen to make both tea and coffee in the same french press, and I can't taste any coffee flavor when I make tea.

 

[Vaporer]

The regular, poly and Fluval filters wash clean with just water and no carry over.
They don't adsorb, just hold by viscosty. Makes me wonder abt the Shamwow thing. Its made to hold liquid trapped, not give it up. SS will rinse fine with just water.

 

[Ragman]

So I guess now my question would be Brass or SS? and what size/density mesh should I go with?

 

[wired]

LOL Puma... I getcha. I feel that way when I stand in the tool area at Harbor Freight.

Look in the clearance isle. If you have some of the Lipton tea bag, take it with you to compare. It has to be a light, transparent weave but have some body to it. Wired is ok, and actually will help you to roll it. You'll cut off the wired end anyway after you fold the roll in half, and put it in the cartridge.

Aww, thanks. You seem okay too! ^.^

... if memory serves me correct a true shammy would be organic and safe and it should hold liquid like a beast.

A *true*chamois is made of lamb/sheepskin but is tanned using oils so that might not be the best thing to be heating up and smoking. Vaporer also made a good point about chamois' actually holding liquid.

I'm probably going to hit Home Depot tomorrow and check out a bunch of ideas, there should be a ton of stuff there. Stainless steel scrubbers, air filters for HVAC units, faucet screens. (but I'd do what I did when I used faucet screens for uh, other uses and blast it with a torch to burn off anything)

 

[imogene]

I'm probably going to hit Home Depot tomorrow and check out a bunch of ideas, there should be a ton of stuff there. Stainless steel scrubbers, air filters for HVAC units, faucet screens. (but I'd do what I did when I used faucet screens for uh, other uses and blast it with a torch to burn off anything)

It looks like I started something great! I didn't think so many people would latch on to this idea.

I'd stick with metal mesh made for use with water or food meant for human consumption. A lot of non-food metals contain poisonous metals, such as lead, so I wouldn't use those. I wouldn't use window screening or HVAC screens. Some of those are coated in all sorts of things, including plastics. Stainless scrubbers rust and you don't want rust flakes in your lungs. Other than the faucet screens at home depot, I don't know what else you could use from a hardware store.

I suggest going to a kitchen store and searching for something made of metal mesh, maybe an extremely fine strainer. It would cost more, but since this cart material should last years, it's worth it. At least that's what I think.

I've been very successful using only food grade metal mesh for the past two days. I just rolled three strips up, tallest strip on the outside, shortest in the inside, median size between, and I crammed a thin "bridge" across the top between the outer and second layer that the atty bridge pushed down into the center so that they touch. No flavor and it washes clean with soap and water. When I pull it out with pliers gripping the outer "layer" it comes out in a single piece and rinses easily. I love it! No plastic, no fiber, no taste, and reuseable. It's great!

I think for my next one I'm going to change the cart "bridge" by making a variation of the "copper screen" cart mod. I plan on making the center of the bridge the diameter of the interior of the cart, so that it's a circle with two strips on either side for cramming between the outer and middle layer, and let the atty make the cone shaped indention so that they touch for proper "wicking".

When I drop ejuice in, I drip, then tip it to the side to see if I've exceeded it's "holding" limit. If I drip one drop too far, I use the tip of my ejuice bottle to "suck" up a very tiny amount. This keeps it from "flooding" the atty.

The cart does hold less liquid than before, but I was never able to vape a cart "dry" before, so I think I'm just not wasting the ejuice that the poly held on to. Now when the cart is dry. It's really very very dry. While I can't drop as much in, I don't think I'm wasting as much as before.