Homemade Vanilla drops?

[leannebug]

(searched for this topic, because I thought it was talked about, but I couldn't find it)

I have some homemade Vanilla and I was wondering if anyone had tried it. My folks brought back some Vanilla Beans, from Madagascar I think, and my dad put some in PGA. They've been soaking for a few years, and I use it in my cooking/baking. (great stuff, btw!)

Has anyone tried using it in a juice recipe?

 

[Nikhil]

There was this long thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-grail-has-finally-been-found-happyvaper.html

On page 2 there is someone who uses the same stuff you're talking about with success. I haven't tried it myself, but yours has been soaking for a very long time, so it might have more large molecules that can clog your atty. What proof alcohol are you using?

 

[sandyk]

Well, I found my Holy Grail for Vanilla.....PA's French Vanilla at 20% flavoring in VG with about 1 drop of Vodka per mil for thinning......is awesome good....been vaping for 2 days now-only thing I have vaped....gotta get the big size of it...love it...love it...love it.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[leannebug]

thanks Sandy.. I'll have to try that one! I have some Vanilla Bourban from PA that I picked up on the PIF. Maybe that one will be tasty too

 

[leannebug]

There was this long thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-grail-has-finally-been-found-happyvaper.html

On page 2 there is someone who uses the same stuff you're talking about with success. I haven't tried it myself, but yours has been soaking for a very long time, so it might have more large molecules that can clog your atty. What proof alcohol are you using?

Thanks for the thread Pure, I knew there was mention of it somewhere!

Sun says this:

I had read that pure Vanillin was in fact no good to use. And LorAnn only sells the extracts which get lost due to the heavy alcohol content. But all vanillas use alcohol to extract the taste from the bean

Is that what mine is? Vanillin? If not, what IS Vanillin? I'm not sure what strength it is. It's in a Bacardi Rum bottle, but that doesn't mean that's what it is... I'll ask him tomorrow. I think it's coming up on 3 years, can't remember when they took that particular trip, but I've used about 1/3-1/2 of the bottle (and it's a fifth) So long enough to use that much! and if it IS the alcohol that came in the bottle, it says it's 80 proof.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Hi Leanne--that is not what you have. What you have is in fact vanilla extract. Some companies use it in making there E-liquid, but like a said a long time ago, the alcohol taste overpowers the flavor. I think the manufactures are using a vanilla extract that does not use alcohol. Google "Frontier Vanilla Flavor" and you will see what I mean.

Vanilla is a "Bear" to make. No doubt about it.


Sun

 

[leannebug]

Thanks Sun. Yes, indeed, the stuff IS quite powerful. Real vanilla extract is stronger than the store bought stuff. When baking, I always am careful to 'adjust' for the flavor. It's supposed to be better, but if the alcohol is strong, would that not be the same as adding PGA to anything?
I have never used PGA, because I don't keep it in the house, but I received a bottle that had some in it, and the TH was super strong.

Anyhoo.. thanks for the links y'all.. looks like I will have to do more reading and lots of tinkering before I can get this proper.

 

[leannebug]

wow.. expensive stuff. It says that it will keep forever, and to keep adding alcohol to continue using it. It also said that it acts like fine wine, and takes 6 months to "properly age" and improves with age.

Interesting reading. I wonder what the drop companies use? Do they use the real beans? or the processed? There is also a mixture of the two.

Hmm.. this one is alcohol free and made with Glycerin instead. (they also offer Stevia at this site, for those interested)

 

[kissang]

Based on my experience.

Using vanillin is not recommanded, my feeling is it makes you cough, thinking it creates irritation to your lung, when you vape it, you can feel some sort of sweet taste, I never thought that was pleasant.

I have some vallina tincture I made using 95% vodka and vallina bean, it was seasoned for about 6 weeks and it is quite strong after you let alcohol go away, very browny stuff now. I think I can recommand this. 3 drops in 1ml makes you feel vallina teste but still vanilla tincture itself is not enough to make a good teste liquid, it just helps a little.

 

[leannebug]

Based on my experience.

Using vanillin is not recommanded, my feeling is it makes you cough, thinking it creates irritation to your lung, when you vape it, you can feel some sort of sweet taste, I never thought that was pleasant.

What exactly IS vanillin?

I have some vallina tincture I made using 95% vodka and vallina bean, it was seasoned for about 6 weeks and it is quite strong after you let alcohol go away, very browny stuff now. I think I can recommand this. 3 drops in 1ml makes you feel vallina teste but still vanilla tincture itself is not enough to make a good teste liquid, it just helps a little.

Did you use the tinicture straight (as a drop) or did you try adding the vanilla to something that would suspend it better in juice (say with a little PG or VG)?

 

[Nikhil]

I think you should just take a shot at mixing with it Leanne (no pun intended). The stuff you have will be much more vanilla'ey at 3 years old than the 6 week old stuff most people have used. If you want less alcohol flavor coming in, just leave the bottle open to evaporate after mixing it. Also, kissang said he used 3 drops in 1ml so I'd assume the 1ml was a flavorless base.

Vanillin is a chemical which provides the principal flavor and aroma compound in vanilla. At lower concentrations, vanillin contributes to the flavor and aroma profiles of foodstuffs as diverse as olive oil, butter, raspberry, and lychee.

 

[leannebug]

Alrighty, I'm ready to give it a shot. How would I "strain" it, just to make sure there aren't any particles from the beans? Then do I add it to a base liquid? Or use it straight?

TY for all your help Everyone of you

Oh, and I spoke with my dad, he said the alcohol is vodka (as the most common web recipe calls for vodka)

 

[sjohnson]

Vanillin is the main compound in vanilla extract, responsible for the bulk of vanilla flavor. It can be derived naturally or chemically. It is the "heart" of vanilla, but it's only one compound that contributes to a vanilla flavor.

And, when it comes to vanilla, the nuances of vanilla are what makes it memorable, not it's heart.

 

[Locutus666]

Alrighty, I'm ready to give it a shot. How would I "strain" it, just to make sure there aren't any particles from the beans? Then do I add it to a base liquid? Or use it straight?

TY for all your help Everyone of you

Oh, and I spoke with my dad, he said the alcohol is vodka (as the most common web recipe calls for vodka)

Try a coffee filter in a funnel. Works for me.

 

[kissang]

What exactly IS vanillin?



Did you use the tinicture straight (as a drop) or did you try adding the vanilla to something that would suspend it better in juice (say with a little PG or VG)?

Well, Vanilling is some kind of artificial sweetening which gives you teste of vallina, being used by many food companies for making sweets, bakery, etc..
Some Eliquid makers are also using this, for exemple, Janty. But then I found on the Internet, Vanillin can cause irritation to your lung.

I used it with 36mg PG nicotine base and a little bit of VG.

 

[Kurt]

Well, Vanilling is some kind of artificial sweetening which gives you teste of vallina, being used by many food companies for making sweets, bakery, etc..
Some Eliquid makers are also using this, for exemple, Janty. But then I found on the Internet, Vanillin can cause irritation to your lung.

I used it with 36mg PG nicotine base and a little bit of VG.

As was stated by others, vanillin occurs naturally in vanilla beans, or it can be synthesized. Artificial vanilla is pure vanillin. Natural vanilla is vanillin plus other naturally occurring aldehydes, lactones, and other compounds. As sjohnson said, it is the other compounds that give vanillas from various parts of the world their nuances.

Here is the MSDS for vanillin:

http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9924002

It does say it is a throat and lung irritant, but it also says there is no danger in "normal industrial conditions". And it seems it is vanillin dust that is the issue, which could mean vanillin itself, or the fact that it is vanillin dust. Other places I've looked say that it might make you cough and irritate the throat.

So whether it is artificial vanilla or natural vanilla, both contain vanillin. Some DIY flavor lists, like for Fairies Finest line, make a big deal about not vaping anything with artificial vanilla, that vanillin is a danger. Yet natural vanilla contains vanillin as the primary component. I have several vanilla or vanilla-like flavors (Capellas Vanilla Custard, and Loranns Bavarian Creme), and they do not make me cough. Would I have problems if I used, say, PAs French Vanilla, which is sure to contain synthetic vanillin? My guess is I would not. And since very little vapor when vaping actually gets to the lungs, I would think the risk of lung damage would be quite low.

If I am not coughing or have irritation, I would assume no damage is occurring, and I go through a lot of vanilla juice, which is arguably one of my enduring favorites. Inhaling a dust is inhaling far more vanillin than that which is in a vanilla vapor. And if there was throat irritation, there would likely be mouth irritation too, and I get none of that.

Normally I am quite conservative and cautious about possible irritating flavors. If there is a significant doubt that I might hurt myself, I will avoid it. My take on seeing statements of vanilla causing lung irritation, before I got official data on its safety, was to think "Really? How come I don't experience that??" And if vanillin is a problem, then natural vanilla should be too. My biggest problem with my vanilla DIYs is that they don't taste like I want them to taste. Never had significant coughing or irritation.

I personally am going to try the PA French Vanilla. If it causes lung/troat problems, then I will know to avoid vanillin. Of course, I am speaking for me alone, and others might find they have irritation. Clove and cinnamon are known irritants, and some people love to vape them without any issues at all.

 

[sandyk]

Kurt, I think you will like the PA French Vanilla, smooth, vanilla taste.....I love it....I do it in 10ml at 20 per cent and then put in 2 drops of Vanilla Custard in...awesome...the custard seems to give it a little more body.