Hot Summer Weather and Batteries.......

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Thought it would be a great idea to address the issue of battery safety pertaining to exposure to sunlight and intense heat. I plan on spending a lot of time at the beach this summer so I have been thinking about this quite a bit. I have not done any in depth research on the matter, but common sense tells me to be mindful about leaving cell phones, pv's and batteries in direct sunlight or in a really hot car, etc. I would love to hear people's opinions/experiences (do's and don'ts) on the topic and hope everyone can benefit from the knowledge of some of our experienced members.
 

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Thanks Spiral for starting this thread. I've been questioning this one myself - get quite nervous leaving my extra out in the car in the hot weather - just doesn't seem like a good idea.


Very timely. This has had me concerned a couple of times this spring already.
I was in a dollar store and say (and picked up) one of those soft lunch coolers. Now I put my extra stuff in that and slip it under the truck seat.
Better or worse, I have no proof, But i would have to lean towards better
 

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I'm starting my first summer vaping with an E-Power 14650 and have been considering heat issues as well. Summer temperatures get into the 90's to low 100's frequently here.

I spend a lot of time on a restored wooden cabin cruiser. It has plenty of shade and screened windows to catch any cool breezes but no air conditioning. When you spend a week on a boat with afternoons over 100 you rely on taking periodic dips in the river or slough to cool down. Can't soak the E-Power to cool it down.


I have cell phones, cameras and other stuff on the boat that needs to be protected from the heat. Keeping these items in the shade works well enough.

The APV is going to be another story. I've already used it when temperatures in the shade are in the mid nineties. The 2.0 ohm stainless steel single coil LR carto gets hot when operated for a few minutes at this temperature. The hot spot is the mid section of the carto where the coil is located. Removing the E-Power 14650 cone helps carto cooling quite a bit.

It looks like I'll be running the E-Power 14650 without the cone during hot weather. I'll have to stop vaping and wait for things to cool after several minutes, too. Heat does manage to transfer to the top end of the 14650 battery.

I'll have to stop charging batteries in the garage. I use multi-cell charging of 4-6 batteries at a time. The garage will get too hot this summer for charging even during the overnight.
 

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I had a battery aw 18650 explode in my purse while I was out in 100 degree weather last month. Best advice keep it out of the heat
Yikes! Where did you find 100 degree weather last month? Mojave Desert or Death Valley?

Can you provide any more details about the exploding AW 18650? Were you carrying the purse when it happened?
 

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According to "Lithium Ion & Lithium Polymer Cells and Batteries Safety Precautions" published by Ultralife Battery and Energy Products:

"The temperature range over which the battery can be charged is 0 degrees C to 45 degrees C. Charging the battery at temperatures outside this range may cause severe damage to the battery or reduce battery life expectancy."

"The temperature range over which the battery can be discharged is -20 degrees C to 60 degrees C. Use of the battery outside this temperature range may damage performance of the battery or may reduce its life expectancy."

http://ultralifecorporation.com/download/168/

my note...
0 to 45 degrees C= 32 to 113 degrees F.

-20 to 60 degrees C= -4 to 140 degrees F.
 

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This is a valid concern. Heat can be very dangerous, especially since most mods do NOT have integrated thermal protection, nor do most lower-end batteries used in them. Protected batteries, often indicated by "P" (i.e.: "AW 18650 P"), do contain a small integrated circuit to protect against thermal damage, among other things. If you leave an iPhone in the sun and it gets too hot, it will trigger a thermal shutdown to attempt to protect it from causing damage. Most mods do not have this ability (the Provari V2 does, among other variable voltage mods). And even with thermal protection, damage can still occur to both the battery, the device, and even the user. Extreme heat and lithium batteries are as dangerous as throwing water on a roaring grease fire. As stated, an insulated cooler is a good idea. Some glove boxes are actually cooled for this same reason. But lying in sun, even if the sun is coming through glass, should be avoided if at all possible. A car with closed windows in the hot sun can exceed 160 degree (F) in a matter of a few minutes...this greatly exceeds the acceptable storage temperature and even further exceeds the acceptable use temp range.
 

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Yikes! Where did you find 100 degree weather last month? Mojave Desert or Death Valley?

Can you provide any more details about the exploding AW 18650? Were you carrying the purse when it happened?

I was in the desert at a concert. I was carrying my purse with the spare battery in a case. I have no idea when/how but then next morning I went to grab it( in the cold hotel) and it had chemicals around it and the wrapper was melted of
 

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People often carry spare cylindrical batteries around in a pocket or purse with no protection. There are tubes and boxes designed to carry spare batteries safely. I carry a 14650 spare battery in a plastic prescription pill bottle.

Tubes, boxes or bottles like this protect the battery from external short circuits. If something metal in a pocket or purse like coins, pens, chains, keys, etc. touch that battery in such a way that electricity flows from one end of the battery to the other then you have a short circuit that can melt down a battery.

If you kept your battery in a case then it sounds like something else killed it. Could heat have pushed a failing battery over the edge? Maybe.
 
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