here is the nice little slide show I made him to check out
http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/jetimindtrick/library/wiz packing
http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/jetimindtrick/library/wiz packing
How dangerous is it to ship 100 mg? who is responsible if there is an accident
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Ok, you obviously don't understand biology very well based on your comments, but you should understand that adding to the hysteria surrounding nicotine (without any facts backing you up) is counterproductive to the users of this forum. You *aren't* going to get 10ml of *anything* through your skin without using a needle. I know all about the patch, I know it works very slowly, irritates the skin badly, and is pretty much worthless when used as directed. There's a huge difference between having 100mg/ml in the solution, and actually metabolizing 100mg of anything.
I absolutely understand why this forum has a huge disclaimer at the top of every page, but feeding this frenzy of "the nic will KILL U" doesn't add anything to the discussion, and you should think through that most *generous* offer of making every nic shipment into a hazmat shipment, because that little zinger will cause people to die unnecessarily - if you make e-juice unaffordable, smokers won't ever try e-cigs, and they will continue to smoke and die young.
Scroll down into that link you posted, and look over the occupational exposure limits for nicotine - 5mg per m3 of skin.. then use your "reasonable" math to "extrapolate" the "safe" amount of nicotine that can be shipped. Now, using perfectly "reasonable" (and unproven) limits, you've not only banned bulk nicotine from the postal service, you've *also* banned any juice with nicotine at all. 'cause, Joe postal worker *could* spill 5mls of 1mg/ml juice on himself and exceed the occupational exposure limit.
Now, (using your logic) if nic can be shipped at all, it'll be $27.50 per shipment + normal (ups or fedex) charges for any ejuice, or ecig with e-juice in it.
Not defending the shipper of the nic, but beyond having a *reasonable* conversation with the shipper, all of the "sky is falling" drama-queen stuff needs to be held in check. For the benefit of those who learn about e-cigs in a month or a year from now, not for me or you.
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I have not only received improperly wrapped and packaged ejuice from members here, but also from vendors.
Leaking nic juice, of ANY LEVEL, is 100% unacceptable, and is the fastest thing that will get our rights closed down, quick and simple, as well as exposing yourself and the sender to huge lawsuits should anyone along the path of the leaking package be exposed to something that ends up harming them in any way.
A risk I am no longer willing to take
Those of you who are under the false assumption that it has to be "high nic" to be a problem, need to wake up. The shipping of anything liquid has to be declared at the USPS counter, it is one of the questions they ask. And the leaking of ANY strength nic, on the wrong person, can bring huge consequences. You do not know what exposure to it they got, or where they go next (around pet or infant, etc.)
In other words, the leaking of ANY nicotine containing liquid onto another person is not cool.
That said, my experience with one company is such that their packaging is close to bullet proof, so I only order from them. And anyone I get juice from, who hasn't shipped ejuice before, receives a little tutorial about how to pack it to send to me.
And if that offends anyone, then too bad, because I'm not willig to lose my house in a lawsuit because you were sloppy.
Nor do I want everyone else in the world to lose their right to vape, to order ejuice, and to use the mail systems to get it.
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I needed to go catch my breath when I saw this. Bad. Very very bad.
My postmaster would probably deny future mail delivery to my home.....they can do that you know, just like when you have unsecured dogs, bad driveway, or anything that will put the carrier into harms way.
Unknown shooter, I strongly disagree with what you wrote. Nic is labelled as a poison. Unless someone has "chosen" to handle liquid with any amount of nic in it, they should not have to be exposed.
It doesn't matter what you think. It matters that they have liquid on their body that they did not agree to have on their body, and since we do not know the person's health background, you and I cannot predict the level of hazard, or even their DISCOMFORT, whether it be mental or phsycial, that they experience when this happens to them.
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Reading this thread and looking at the pics made me wonder - If that's how the vendor handles what we can see how do they handle the things we can't see? Just my 
unknown_shooter, I'd like you to use your "reasonable" math to "extrapolate" that this is a huge problem that needs to be corrected ASAP
Good for you for being so considerate and caring about your fellow man, and following up on this.
This is just ghastly.
Meanwhile, based on some of the replies here, let's just keep letting them make $$ and go about our business, right?
I would strongly urge you to use the Negative Feedback area of the forum, to post the photos, and also tell about how the 2nd shipment arrived similarly packaged to the 1st. There is only one way to discourage this kind of business practice, and that is peer pressure and hitting them in the pocketbook.
Cuz obviously, they didn't "get a clue" after your first experience and explanation.
JMHO
Hundreds of people send their children down to the end of the driveway in rural area I live, to "pick up the mail." Anyone here comfortable with their 7 year old coming back up to the house with a package of this sort? Maybe unknown shooter is. I don't know anyone else who would be.
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I'm not the one pontificating about the dangers of nicotine - nor am I the one who posted the link suggesting that exposure to 5mg of nicotine per m3 of skin was "dangerous". That was you.
Again, I'm not defending the vendor here, only advising that if that same standard was used by the post office, all ecigs, juices, nicotine patches, and even nicotine gum would likely be banned from the mail, and therefore prohibitively expensive to all of us. Spilling a single drop of e-juice would render your home a hazmat site requiring respirators & bunny-suits.
Holy smokes, Batman! That's not a leak, that's a swamping. You also said it smelled bad. Did the second bottle stink also?
I have worked on docks and sorting facility's, almost all such places handle all unknown liquids as hazmat period. We do not come directly in contact with anything even if its listed as water we don't believe customers. With that said It should be properly packed.
actually unknown I didn't post a link to any thing dougie did.
Just wondering how long you have been diy ing and how many different ways have you been shipped 100mg nic?
it had a little odor, but nothing compared to the stink of all that nic and paper.
Thank you so much, They were recommended to me, luckily I ordered from Wizard.
Edit: I sent a link to this thread to the vendor who had recommended them.
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I ordered from the same company very recently and was taken back by the way it was packaged also. I was lucky that mine didn't leak, but I was pretty disappointed by how little thought/care was put into the shipping/packing. I ordered two 500 ml bottles of 100 mg/ml which had free shipping so this has me wondering if they are doing this to make up for their cost of having to pay for shipping. I'd rather pay the darn shipping fee and have it packaged securely.
Sorry this happened BigCypress. I only order from Wizard Labs no matter how long I have to wait for stock because I can count on them to ship my items properly. There are two other places I use as a back up if I have to which doesn't happen much because I am a hoarder...lol but proper packaging is a must no matter who it is from.
Reading this thread and looking at the pics made me wonder - If that's how the vendor handles what we can see how do they handle the things we can't see? Just my
That's what is truly frightening about this situation. Knowing what I know now, I won't touch that company with a ten foot pole.
I guess I won't grumble on my next WL order when I break out the jaws of life to free my nic from all of the packaging.
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