How dangerous is stacking for 6v? prove it.
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It's wrong from anyone old enough to buy ecigs. And I doubt a few years would change anything. Some people just don't want to learn.
Gotta give the OP some credit, they at least asked (ignored the research/data/advice given though). At this point I'm hoping we've been trolled, because I don't want my kids to have to live in a world populated by "_______".
If a drunk driver wants to kill themselves, good riddance, but when they put other people and property at risk it's unacceptable.
Gotta give the OP some credit, they at least asked (ignored the research/data/advice given though). At this point I'm hoping we've been trolled, because I don't want my kids to have to live in a world populated by "_______".
If a drunk driver wants to kill themselves, good riddance, but when they put other people and property at risk it's unacceptable.
Thanks to those who posted the info that was available. Pointing me to examples is what I asked for. Some of you are less than helpful. I suppose my sarcastic sense of humor doesn’t come through the internet so well. From the info given seems there is a clear danger of detonation at least in a sealed tube mod (or flashlight for that matter). Starting to wonder if a trip to the machine shop is in order. Thinking of slotting the sides of the tube and drilling a whole in the bottom as one user suggested. Then a fresh powder coat after. The mod is vented but seems this would be a substantial improvement in safety and limit the possibility of my mod becoming a “pipe bomb” given that even 18650’s can vent. Either way I would still love to see the destructive power! of 123s demonstrated on You tube through "forced failure". Would do the video myself but I don’t own a camera, those use dangerous lipo batteries!
As for me putting the ecig community at risk by my idiocy. I wonder how a battery a tube and a heating element would be regulated or banned? outlaw tubes? batteries? things that create heat? Possible but doubtful. I sure there will be some cleaver analogies of how I am wrong on this…
As for me putting the ecig community at risk by my idiocy. I wonder how a battery a tube and a heating element would be regulated or banned? outlaw tubes? batteries? things that create heat? Possible but doubtful. I sure there will be some cleaver analogies of how I am wrong on this…
Nearly every day, the vaping community is at war with the FDA, Big Tobacco, as well as local and state legislators. Any bad publicity is being used as ammunition against our rights. The recent incident in Florida reached National news outlets. Even my personal experience has been that people who may have had no opinion about e cigs before, one way or another, now are of the opinion that they are dangerous. E cig products are a currently unregulated industry. It is up to those of us in the community to regulate ourselves, at this point anyway. You were given many opinions as to the safety of stacking batteries. Ultimately, it's up to you whether or not to heed that advice. But if you choose to ignore the advice, the consequences might affect not only yourself, but others as well.
I personally don't believe you have put the e-cig community at risk and dont call yourself an idiot. Your not an idiot - Just hard headed like me.
You did in fact ask for advice and I admire you for that. I would like to see the attention be focused on the BATTERIES more so than the device, i.e flashlight, e-cig whatever. After all, I dont care what anyone says. If they can explode like that, we prolly shouldn't be using them in our flashlights camping with the family!However the batteries have been around longer and the "weak link" just happens to be an electronic cigarette that is just now getting to the point where if you mention you use one people don't go "WTF is that"?
Good luck vaping brother, hope you get to play with all kinds of single battery
mods.
Almost all of the variable voltage mods function by using stacked batteries to provide a high voltage, and then using a "buck" circuit to regulate the voltage down as desired. The only two variable voltage mods that I am aware of that use a single battery and a "boost" circuit to raise the voltage up are the Provari and the Lavatube.
If anything I said was incorrect, hopefully someone will correct me.
I'd include darwin in the single battery category, though I could be wrong.
Though not technically vv, I suspect it is using a boost regulator (has to, if it's really a single battery).
Though not technically vv, I suspect it is using a boost regulator (has to, if it's really a single battery).
Complications. My best safe method, single 3.7batt using low resistance attys. Vap like a King. Coughs coughs
The Darwin is two batts wired in parallel, but it does indeed use a boost regulator.
For some reason, I have been getting a lot of questions about the possibility of 123A lithium cells exploding or causing a flashlight to burst. Some of this is the result of third-, fourth-, or fifth-party stories about someone who had a flashlight burst, or someone who heard about someone who read something on the internet that a 123A powered flashlight burst, etc.
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I would image most of the mod's out there have safety measures installed into them. Except for that guy in California that blew up his face with the ecig. If you ask me it seems odd that with the damage causes he was released from hospital the next day.
Whew! Just got out of the hospital. Yeah, next time it's definitely the mod...
Bwahahaha!
Ok I read every post in this thread and many others, nowhere have I found anyone post the safest batteries to stack for 6v or higher vaping, I realize there will be some risk but if I'm diligent(I check my 18650's voltage constantly) then that risk can be significantly reduced. I'm new to this and have thought about trying my silver bullet at HV, but no matter how hard I look I can't seem to find a simple answer(and maybe there isn't). I realize any answer I get will more than likely be based on the posters personal opinion but at this point that will do. I have come to the conclusion that when I order my new batteries they will be AW but what I can't figure out is if I should be looking for protected, safer chemistry or IMR high drains. Also should a person be looking for 3v, 3.2v or 3.7v cr123's(16340's)??? An answer anyone could understand would be appreciated, thank you and happy vaping.
I'll take a stab at answering (others will hopefully chime in too):
First the basics:
NO battery is completely safe!
Stacking batteries entails more inherent risk than using a single battery!
Now that that's out of the way:
I personally would not stack batteries in a mod that does not have built-in protection circuitry, period! The only reason to stack batteries is to acheive higher voltages and there's now more options to do that without having to stack batteries (Kick, DNA, booster circuitry, etc.). If you MUST stack batteries, then I'd suggest going with AW IMR's as their consistancy and quality control is better than other manufacturers. There is NO safe chemistry, there's "safer" but none that are "safe".
All that said, the chance of a catastrophic battery failure is very minimal, especially if you take common sense precautions. BUT, just because the odds are small that there'll be a problem, the chance is there and it only takes one problem to negatively impact you for the rest of your life.
Some people are IMHO overly paranoid about stacked batteries, and some are grossly negligent in their use. If you're careful and a some basic battery care routine, the chance of an issue is miniscule (though like with any battery, the chance still exists.
To sum it all up, IMHO it's best to avoid stacking batteries unless there's no alternative. Years ago there was very little choice if you wanted higher voltages but now there are lots of ways to acheive HV without stacking batteries. My suggestion is look for a non-stack battery way to acheive what you want as human nature is such that while you might take great care and caution with your batteries, you might forget or be busy and that's when a problem happens. Also, vapers come in all types and I've seen too many who does respect vaping equipment (and juice) as much as they should.
FWIW, I'm currently alternating vaping on a stack battery mod (with built-in protection circuitry) and a HV none-stacked ego Twist. Both do HV, and I'm comfortably using both, but I'm more likely to recommend the Twist to someone than I am a stacked battery mod.
Oh and with the ready availability of low resistance attys/cartos, you really can achieve what used to require HV to achieve.
First the basics:
NO battery is completely safe!
Stacking batteries entails more inherent risk than using a single battery!
Now that that's out of the way:
I personally would not stack batteries in a mod that does not have built-in protection circuitry, period! The only reason to stack batteries is to acheive higher voltages and there's now more options to do that without having to stack batteries (Kick, DNA, booster circuitry, etc.). If you MUST stack batteries, then I'd suggest going with AW IMR's as their consistancy and quality control is better than other manufacturers. There is NO safe chemistry, there's "safer" but none that are "safe".
All that said, the chance of a catastrophic battery failure is very minimal, especially if you take common sense precautions. BUT, just because the odds are small that there'll be a problem, the chance is there and it only takes one problem to negatively impact you for the rest of your life.
Some people are IMHO overly paranoid about stacked batteries, and some are grossly negligent in their use. If you're careful and a some basic battery care routine, the chance of an issue is miniscule (though like with any battery, the chance still exists.
To sum it all up, IMHO it's best to avoid stacking batteries unless there's no alternative. Years ago there was very little choice if you wanted higher voltages but now there are lots of ways to acheive HV without stacking batteries. My suggestion is look for a non-stack battery way to acheive what you want as human nature is such that while you might take great care and caution with your batteries, you might forget or be busy and that's when a problem happens. Also, vapers come in all types and I've seen too many who does respect vaping equipment (and juice) as much as they should.
FWIW, I'm currently alternating vaping on a stack battery mod (with built-in protection circuitry) and a HV none-stacked ego Twist. Both do HV, and I'm comfortably using both, but I'm more likely to recommend the Twist to someone than I am a stacked battery mod.
Oh and with the ready availability of low resistance attys/cartos, you really can achieve what used to require HV to achieve.
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Thanks for responding to that, and I'd like to expand on it a bit as well...
I am quite sure a very high percentage of the population, for instance, would not know that pairing batteries is common sense.
But from what I understand, for whatever reason I still do not know, it is of supposedly of critical importance.
There are also a number of other safety practices that I would not consider common sense for the average person.
In fact, I feel the "not really common sense" rule applies to nearly all of the safety practices.
I guess I would go even further and suggest that NONE of this is common sense to the average person.
I use the 4.8 volt NiMH batteries for my Chucks.
These batteries have the following advantages...
--Used to replace 3.7 volt 18650 batteries
--Inexpensive way to test out higher voltages
--Much safer than Lithium batteries
--Start out well over 5.0 volts off the charger
--Don't have memory concerns like NiCD batteries
Of course, with any recommendation I would also mention the downsides...
--Only 600mAh on the currently available batteries
--The currently available charger doesn't let you know when charging is complete
I welcome any disagreements to my comments above.
I consider disagreements to be a learning opportunity never to be avoided.
I would not consider even the necessary precautions to be common sense.
I am quite sure a very high percentage of the population, for instance, would not know that pairing batteries is common sense.
But from what I understand, for whatever reason I still do not know, it is of supposedly of critical importance.
There are also a number of other safety practices that I would not consider common sense for the average person.
In fact, I feel the "not really common sense" rule applies to nearly all of the safety practices.
I guess I would go even further and suggest that NONE of this is common sense to the average person.
One of the options that you didn't mention is my favorite, and the route I have chosen for now.
I use the 4.8 volt NiMH batteries for my Chucks.
These batteries have the following advantages...
--Used to replace 3.7 volt 18650 batteries
--Inexpensive way to test out higher voltages
--Much safer than Lithium batteries
--Start out well over 5.0 volts off the charger
--Don't have memory concerns like NiCD batteries
Of course, with any recommendation I would also mention the downsides...
--Only 600mAh on the currently available batteries
--The currently available charger doesn't let you know when charging is complete
I welcome any disagreements to my comments above.
I consider disagreements to be a learning opportunity never to be avoided.
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