How long does nicotine stay in your system?

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robertpri

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I ask because I'm in contact with my insurance agent and the rates for "non-smokers" is a lot better. I explained E-cig's and he said that nicotine would show up in a blood test. The policy questionaire asks, "Do you smoke any tobacco products?" and the answer is NO.

However, they cannot test for tobacco, they test for nicotine. Ergo: a policy could be denied. My agent is sympathtic [he's an ex smoker] but wonders how long nic stays in the system.

Anyone know?
 

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I ask because I'm in contact with my insurance agent and the rates for "non-smokers" is a lot better. I explained E-cig's and he said that nicotine would show up in a blood test. The policy questionaire asks, "Do you smoke any tobacco products?" and the answer is NO.

However, they cannot test for tobacco, they test for nicotine. Ergo: a policy could be denied. My agent is sympathtic [he's an ex smoker] but wonders how long nic stays in the system.

Anyone know?

Check this out

How Long Does Nicotine Stay in Your System? | eHow.com
 

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Is this health insurance? Some health insurance companies don't even do exams anymore. They can pull your medical records from your Dr's if they want to but specifically, BCBS doesn't do them anymore. I just changed from a group plan to private and when I called to ask them about it they said not to worry. There would be no exam. That could just be them though.
 

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Is this health insurance? Some health insurance companies don't even do exams anymore.

Actually, it's for a combination life insurance and Long Term Care insurance. I'm a 70 year old widower and do not want to become a financial burden to my children.

However, LTC is outrageously expensive, and you must either "use it or lose it". They toss tens of thousands of dollars down the hole.

Most seniors never need LTC, but for those who do need it, nursing homes can run $5-10,000 a month. This would be devastating.

But, newer policies have a combination factor: if you need LTC, you have it, but if you are lucky to never need it, then it passes as ordinary life insurance to the children.

It's about time they produced something like this. BTW, for anyone interested, it's call "Asset Based Long Term Care Insurance" or simply LTCI
 

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Step (1) is make sure electronic cigarettes do NOT get banned
Step (2) is to spread the word to all smokers everywhere
Step (3) is to wait until there are lots of electronic cigarette users
Step (4) is to form a large and powerful political force
Step (5) is to stop them from screwing us

If any of these steps fail, then this is exactly the kind of thing we'll be dealing with.
And don't think for a minute they can't do much worse to us.

Like creating policies to not hire us, which some have already done.

So all of you out there thinking I got mine if they ban them...
All of you that don't care about anyone but yourself...

You'll have no one to blame but yourself if you don't get involved and do something.


DID YOU SIGN THE PETITION LINKED IN MY SIGNATURE YET?
 
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Just a tip regarding this info. I talked to my father about it and he said that if you get insurance as a non-smoker and get sick you could be in trouble.

If you go into the hospital and they do a blood test and find nicotine in your system in amounts similar to a smoker they can cancel your insurance. They are especially likely to do this if you are costing them a bunch of money because you are really sick.

Now whether or not they will test for nicotine is up to chance. The insurance company would probably have to request they do it based on past medical records.

Just to be safe though, I'd weigh the benefit of non-smoker savings vs. the potential devastation of being dreadfully ill in the hospital and having your insurance cancelled.

Personally I'm nearing 30 years old this August and I don't even have any health insurance. So this issue doesn't even really apply to me. I just mentioned this stuff to my father and he said to be careful. So I thought I'd give you guys a heads up, just in case.

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Just a tip regarding this info. I talked to my father about it and he said that if you get insurance as a non-smoker and get sick you could be in trouble.

If you go into the hospital and they do a blood test and find nicotine in your system in amounts similar to a smoker they can cancel your insurance. They are especially likely to do this if you are costing them a bunch of money because you are really sick.

Now whether or not they will test for nicotine is up to chance. The insurance company would probably have to request they do it based on past medical records.

Just to be safe though, I'd weight the benefit of non-smoker savings vs. the potential devastation of being dreadfully ill in the hospital and having your insurance cancelled.

Personally I'm nearing 30 years old this August and I don't even have any health insurance. So this issue doesn't even really apply to me. I just mentioned this stuff to my father and he said to be careful. So I thought I'd give you guys a heads up, just in case.

-Danyulc

Well said, and your dad is wise. He is technically correct about the potential of having a policy canceled after testing for nicotine while claiming to be a non-smoker.

I said, "technically" because the feds passed new insurance reg laws in 08 or 09 that address the issue of 'pre existing' or family history issues. After either two or three years [not sure which] the insurance company cannot suddenly decide to cancel you. I might start smoking again two, five, or ten years after buying a policy. I am under no obligation to call the insurer to say, "I just started smoking, so you can raise my premiums."

A lawyer friend studied the fed case law, and used this analogy: If you claimed that nobody in your family died of a heart attack before the age 50, but later your sister did just that, you do NOT have to inform the insurance company.

What you said on the application was correct at the time, to the best of your knowledge. That does not mean it would remain correct forever.

But I think your dad is still right. It's not worth the potential problems of losing insurance.

And I had no insurance at your age either. But at 70, and many of my friends dropping dead or requiring health care, I have to do something.

If I had no children, I would not care, but I cannot pass my burden to them.
 

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So what about the patch or the gum? If you are in possesion of a script will that explain the nicotine in your system?

I don't know but am not going to risk it.

Sidebar: you stopped analogs last Dec/09, but will not break even until Aug/10? I suspect you did not smoke much, or bought some expensive e-stuff.

I quit logs at the same time, in Dec, but I broke even in a couple of months. I have 501 batts, carts, atty's and a gang charger, and of course liquid. I was smoking about $135 worth of logs a month, so two months at $270 bought a lot of e-cig stuff.

I meant no offense, just curious.

bob
 

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That's exactly what I thinking.

What if you hadn't smoked for 10 years but still chewed nic gum...?

I asked the same question. My agent's opinion: the test would indicate nic, so in the eyes of the insurance company, you are still smoking.

Fair? Of course not, but since when has life been "fair"?
 

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All up in your grill..
Many thanks!


Wow, could be 30 days or more. Hmmmm, I cannot stop vaping for a month. Looks like we're stuck with smoker's insurance, even after giving up tobacco.
Nonsense vape away! Urinalysis is easy to beat:

For 2 days before your test drink mass quantities of water and cranberry juice. Day of test eat meal high in fat. 2 double bacon cheesburgers should do the trick. Urinate 4 times prior to test then consume at least a liter of water immediately before test. Collect sample midstream. Your urine will be water. =)
 

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Nonsense vape away! Urinalysis is easy to beat:

For 2 days before your test drink mass quantities of water and cranberry juice. Day of test eat meal high in fat. 2 double bacon cheesburgers should do the trick. Urinate 4 times prior to test then consume at least a liter of water immediately before test. Collect sample midstream. Your urine will be water. =)
I'm bookmarking this post, should come in handy someday.
:)
 

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Problem is, you follow that formula and your urine will test "diluted" and they will know you attempted to influence the test and it will be considered invalid - likely they will insist on a valid urine screen. That is how thorough urinalysis testing is set up - it is designed to pick up adulterated samples either diluted or altered with other chemicals.
 
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