How Long Should TastyFinger Sit For?

[paco]

yes i just ordered one 48mg tastyfinger, and its doubler, i am very surprised at the price, i was paying more than $1 for each ml for the two 30ml bottles i got from a different supplier, so to save a little money i would order the highest strenth which was 36mg and cut it down with VG which would kill the flavor, and after hearing about tasty vapor in the vaporcast show i decieded to check it out and WOW, i will now be able to vape juice with its full flavor,

so after reading around these threads i now wonder how long i should let the tastyfinger sit for? and if i shake it once or twice a day will it help blend the flavors together faster??

i still have about 2weeks of juice to finish, (ordered now cause when i started vaping i ran out of juice and it was hell waiting for my order to come) so i can wait plenty if i have to.

and i really like the idea of doublers because now i can slowly cut down the nic i take in, plus i can use the no nic juice to let people who dont smoke try my PV and maybe even bring them into the family, even if they are just vaping for the flavors.

 

[Poeia]

You can also adjust your nicotine levels for time of day.

For me, Tastyfinger gets better the longer it sits. It should be fine in 2 weeks and it will keep getting better after that.

BTW, if you like vaping at 9.6ml (still a little too weak for me), and you buy a 48mg liquid and the doubler when they're the flavor of the week, they'll cost you 33 cents/ml (40 cents if you include shipping.) TV is the best tasting liquid I've found and elsewhere you can't even get the swill for that price.

 

[portguy]

Tasty Finger is one of those juices that i can´t wait to vape. I vape it all day long...Now that i have 2 doublers i really can let it mature But i wonder...if it gets any better omg...OMG...

 

[mwa102464]

Ive had two 30ml bottles sitting for 3months now, I added some sweetner when I first got them shook em up really good and put em in my Juice cabinet. Let me tell you al these things are like fine wine right now. I cracked the first one last night and have put away my other juices and put a fresh Atty in my AFS V2 on my GGTS, FILLED THE TANK and have been vaping on it since, no drippity drip drip drip or refilling every couple of minutes and wow just wow is it dam good, I have Strawberry Cheesecake and some special pepermint sitting Geoff made me a ways back and some other juice mixes as well, im finding that really letting it sit when they have these special mixes in them really makes it all worth it.

 

[paco]

im thinking of cutting it down to 24mg, so two 48mg bottles and one doubler makes 180ml of 24mg, 3 bottles at15=$45 plus $5 shipping= 50 dollars!!! for about 180ml of 24mg!! thats .27cents per ML! you cant go worng with that. plus the ablitity to choose your own levels of VG, i got the 48mg at 10% and the doubler at 70%, so when cut down to 24mg it will be 40% VG just perfect for me, speaking of which i took a break while typing this to get a glass of water and checked the mail..... THERE HERE!!! wow that is alot of juice, and Geoff, what a nice guy he threw in an empty bottle, im guessing about 20ml size so i can mix the juice. yay

 

[paco]

wow taste really good, but something IS missing, so ill have to take your word for it and let it sit for a few weeks. seeing that you have experience with these juices, this IS my first buy from Tasty Vapor after all so ill see what happens.

 

[MacDiver]

im thinking of cutting it down to 24mg, so two 48mg bottles and one doubler makes 180ml of 24mg, 3 bottles at15=$45 plus $5 shipping= 50 dollars!!! for about 180ml of 24mg!! thats .27cents per ML! you cant go worng with that. plus the ablitity to choose your own levels of VG, i got the 48mg at 10% and the doubler at 70%, so when cut down to 24mg it will be 40% VG just perfect for me, speaking of which i took a break while typing this to get a glass of water and checked the mail..... THERE HERE!!! wow that is alot of juice, and Geoff, what a nice guy he threw in an empty bottle, im guessing about 20ml size so i can mix the juice. yay

If you think you're saving by buying 48mg of TV and doublers, try the math on using your own flavorless nic! You'll save even more. Go to MyFreedom smokes and price the 100mg nic in various sizes. Cost per ml is figured by multiplying the ml X mg. Take that number and divide it into the price.

If you want to look into that get Scubabatdan's calculator to figure how much nic and TV Doubler to use. I posted how to use it on the TV co-op thread. I found how to do this with TV doublers by posting on the DIY thread on this subject. Evidently, lots of peeps do it too but I'm just finding out about it myself. The calculator just makes it so easy to use the nic.

Luck!

 

[Poeia]

If you think you're saving by buying 48mg of TV and doublers, try the math on using your own flavorless nic! You'll save even more. Go to MyFreedom smokes and price the 100mg nic in various sizes. Cost per ml is figured by multiplying the ml X mg. Take that number and divide it into the price.

If you want to look into that get Scubabatdan's calculator to figure how much nic and TV Doubler to use. I posted how to use it on the TV co-op thread. I found how to do this with TV doublers by posting on the DIY thread on this subject. Evidently, lots of peeps do it too but I'm just finding out about it myself. The calculator just makes it so easy to use the nic.

Luck!

Unless the nicotine you are adding has no volume at all (a physical impossibility), you will get less flavor that way. The purpose of the doublers is to dilute the nicotine while maintaining the flavor, rather than to dilute the flavor while adding nicotine.

If there is a TV flavor you find too intense and you want to dilute it, it would work.

 

[Sherrick]

Unless the nicotine you are adding has no volume at all (a physical impossibility), you will get less flavor that way. The purpose of the doublers is to dilute the nicotine while maintaining the flavor, rather than to dilute the flavor while adding nicotine.

If there is a TV flavor you find too intense and you want to dilute it, it would work.

I can see how this would be true when adding nic to the 0-strength doubler, but wouldn't it be the same as what happens when you reduce the nic strength in a non-doubler? I mean, TV's nicotine also has volume and I presume is flavorless as well. I'm confused as to how there can be a difference. It seems to me that either way you go, you would have X amount of nicotine in Y amount of flavored base. Can you please explain?

Sherrick

 

[Poeia]

If you buy one ounce of TV's e-liquid with high nicotine and a four ounce doubler in the same flavor, the amount of flavoring per ml doesn't change regardless of how you mix those two together because both are the same flavor. What changes are the things that are different in the two bottles you are mixing -- usually nicotine strength and % VG.

Flavor A + Flavor A = Flavor A
Flavor A + Flavorless nicotine = Diluted Flavor A with more nicotine

 

[Sherrick]

But, when TV mixed it, didn't Flavor A get mixed with flavorless nicotine? The nicotine is flavorless in either case and takes up the same amount of room in either case. Thus, straight from TV, wouldn't the doubler have more flavor per ml than the standard positive-nic bottle?

 

[portguy]

But, when TV mixed it, didn't Flavor A get mixed with flavorless nicotine? The nicotine is flavorless in either case and takes up the same amount of room in either case. Thus, straight from TV, wouldn't the doubler have more flavor per ml than the standard positive-nic bottle?

You forget that the nicotine carrier is flavorless if you add it. TV nicotine carrier is the final product. The doubler has the exact same taste. So, Poeia is right.

If you buy flavorless nicotine (not the nicotine really but the PG or VG it is mixed in) you are diluting the flavor from a TV doubler.

That is why i do as Poeia pointed out: when i wanna try a new TV juice (and they were all new to me a few weeks ago) i'll buy 1 oz 12 mg. When i know that i really love a certain juice i will order 48 mg and a doubler.

My last order had something like 4x 48 mg Tasty Finger and 4 doublers among some other. TV is the only supplier e-cig related that makes me order 500 bucks at once and never look back! It is worth it every penny and even more. Even with International shipping and customs TV juice is cheaper than most i can order in Europe that are not Dekang. If you think of it...some European suppliers sell 30 ml Dekang for almost 20 US dollars...makes you think how good and generous Geoff and his crew really are.

If you check the price for ml...TV is unbeatable...and for a juice that is tailored for you, fresh. It is made with love...and you can´t buy that!

So..please don't spoil your TV juice...

 

[Poeia]

But, when TV mixed it, didn't Flavor A get mixed with flavorless nicotine? The nicotine is flavorless in either case and takes up the same amount of room in either case. Thus, straight from TV, wouldn't the doubler have more flavor per ml than the standard positive-nic bottle?

TV put in the amount of flavoring to give it the right nicotine level and flavor for that size bottle. If you add more liquid (unflavored nicotine) you need to add more flavoring. And you don't have more.

Think of it like this
Take a can of Coke and a can of caffeine-free Coke and pour them together in a glass. It's going to taste like Coke -- all you've done is change the amount of caffeine per swallow.

Now take a can of Coke and a can of Club Soda (which is caffeine-free) and pour them together in a glass. Once again you will have changed the caffeine per swallow level but it will no longer taste like Coke. It will taste like something that has some Coke in it.

 

[paco]

yup, thats why we have to Love geoff for the idea of doublers, see i cut my 48mg down to 24mg, which is half and half, but before i was buying full PG 36mg juice and cutting it down with plain VG, so i would lose flavor and was More into how much nic/throat hit i was getting, and just a hint of the flavor, but now that i have this juice iv noticed that i am enjoying the Flavor more, then worrying about the nic level and throat hit. so now i will have to do a little math and add a little more doubler and maybe cut it down to 20mg. heck i vaped some of the doubler, and dam does it taste good.

 

[Poeia]

Nicotine is a stimulant. I'm trying (although not always succeeding) to make myself vape lower levels of nic for a few hours before I go to bed so I'll sleep better.

Try doing that with tobacco.

 

[cainne]

Well to be frank I don't think we can really know if Sherrick is right or not.

If when a flavor with nicotine is ordered it is made with the same flavoring fluids in the same proportion as a doubler of the same flavor, just a 1/4 smaller then a bit underfilled and flavorless nicotine PG solution put in, there would be no difference ordering a doubler and mixing in your own nicotine.

If a bit more flavoring than is in 1/4 of a similar doubler is added into nicotine solutions to compensate for the flavorless PG nicotine solution that must be part of the mix, than adding your own flavorless nicotine to a doubler would water down the taste from the expected norm.

The question then just becomes how significant that would be which would depend on the strength (mg/ml) of the nicotine solution you're using to add since obviously the stronger the concentration you are using the less you need to add and therefore the less noticeable of a difference.

That being said: Compared to smoking TV solutions really are cheap enough as is. I don't see the point in going through all that for possibly the same flavor, possibly a bit weaker flavor (noticeably so? Who knows) for possibly pennies a day difference in cost.

Also what would work best would be the highest strength nicotine solution possible to diminish the "watering down" affect. Frankly I don't want to play with a toxin whose LD50 is 1mg/kg concentrated into a 100 mg/ml solution where 1/2 a ml of fluid could kill me. I'll gladly let somebody else deal with that for 50 cents or so of extra cost a month.


NOW somebody just needs to come out with a Starbucks Mocha Frappuccino substitute that I can replace my 6 x 13.7 fl oz a day intake with and I'll REALLY be saving money, lol.

 

[portguy]

Well to be frank I don't think we can really know if Sherrick is right or not.

If when a flavor with nicotine is ordered it is made with the same flavoring fluids in the same proportion as a doubler of the same flavor, just a 1/4 smaller then a bit underfilled and flavorless nicotine PG solution put in, there would be no difference ordering a doubler and mixing in your own nicotine.

If a bit more flavoring than is in 1/4 of a similar doubler is added into nicotine solutions to compensate for the flavorless PG nicotine solution that must be part of the mix, than adding your own flavorless nicotine to a doubler would water down the taste from the expected norm.

The question then just becomes how significant that would be which would depend on the strength (mg/ml) of the nicotine solution you're using to add since obviously the stronger the concentration you are using the less you need to add and therefore the less noticeable of a difference.

That being said: Compared to smoking TV solutions really are cheap enough as is. I don't see the point in going through all that for possibly the same flavor, possibly a bit weaker flavor (noticeably so? Who knows) for possibly pennies a day difference in cost.

Also what would work best would be the highest strength nicotine solution possible to diminish the "watering down" affect. Frankly I don't want to play with a toxin whose LD50 is 1mg/kg concentrated into a 100 mg/ml solution where 1/2 a ml of fluid could kill me. I'll gladly let somebody else deal with that for 50 cents or so of extra cost a month.


NOW somebody just needs to come out with a Starbucks Mocha Frappuccino substitute that I can replace my 6 x 13.7 fl oz a day intake with and I'll REALLY be saving money, lol.

I really don't think Geoff would mix that way. Even I (a DIY newb) don't do it that way.

Have a nic juice without any flavor. Let's say i have a 36 mg nic juice. 'll cut it down to the target nic. Only then i add flavor. So...adding flavor at 1% to a 12 mg target nic juice will be the same as adding it to a 0 nic juice.

Doing it otherwise does not make sense. You could be wasting nic juice.

I just don't have doublers on my DIY juice. But when i do try a new DIY i do it without nic...if it tastes bad i don't waste nic juice.

 

[Poeia]

TV puts nicotine in their one ounce bottles. That's 30 milliliters (29.6 to be exact.) Nicotine strength is measured in milligrams per milliliter. If you buy 24mg liquid from them, there will be 720 milligrams of nicotine in the bottle.

They also know how much flavoring to put in a 1 ounce bottle and how much to put in a 4 ounce bottle. (At least I assume they do because I've seen lots of evidence that the people at TV are very competent.)

The rest of the volume is PG and VG in the ratio you requested. (The nicotine and flavor are probably in a PG base so that's part of the ratio.)

This is not higher mathematics. It's 8th grade arithmetic.

 

[Sherrick]

This is not higher mathematics. It's 8th grade arithmetic.

Well, you may be right. I don't know. But I've seen nothing that you've said yet that validates your position unequivocally. I still don't see what the difference is between me putting 720 milligrams of nicotine in a bottle and filling it the rest of the way with doubler versus Geoff doing the same thing, if it is done as you've indicated.

 

[guava]

I'm thinking that Geoff might add more flavoring to account for the amount displaced by the added nicotine.

Math is NOT my strong point, however, but that would make sense to me...which isn't saying much given my math skills, lol.