I smoke a pack a day of camel blue (lights). How many milligrams in an e liquid should I start with? 24? 36?
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How many mg's to start with?
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lights, i would say prob 16-18 maybe even 12.
i did pack n half of reds, and i use 24, also depends on flavor using, may need to mix and try to find whats right for ya. sample kits are great or get ingredients and mix your own.
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i did pack n half of reds, and i use 24, also depends on flavor using, may need to mix and try to find whats right for ya. sample kits are great or get ingredients and mix your own.
Keep vaping
Everyone is different.
With that said, I will throw out my recommendation...
--For Camel lights, one pack per day, maybe start with 16mg
--Best to get one higher and one lower though, so you can mix to your needs
I realy depends on how you feel and what you want.
For me, I wanted to go cold turkey and quit analogs. I was a PAD smoker. I tried doing 18mg and I climbed the walls. I ended up doing 4 analogs a day while I waited for some 28mg juice to arrive.
Once it arrived, I went cold turkey again and it was hard but do-able.
Now, 8 weeks or so later, I'm doing 22mg during the day and 18mg at night.
For me, I wanted to go cold turkey and quit analogs. I was a PAD smoker. I tried doing 18mg and I climbed the walls. I ended up doing 4 analogs a day while I waited for some 28mg juice to arrive.
Once it arrived, I went cold turkey again and it was hard but do-able.
Now, 8 weeks or so later, I'm doing 22mg during the day and 18mg at night.
I was a pack a day ultralights smoker and I started with 18mg. It wasn't enough. I had to go to 24mg to get enough nic for the first couple months. I'm back down to 18mg now.
i was a 2-3 pack a day smoker, and 16ml did me just fine when i first started. now i mix 16ml with 10ml (i do a menthol/coffee mix so i get one in 10ml and one in 16ml).
but, i vape like i smoked... meaning a lot... so if i want more nic i just vape more, which suits me fine.
but, i vape like i smoked... meaning a lot... so if i want more nic i just vape more, which suits me fine.
I was a camel lights smoker as well, for years. I've only been at this vaping thing for a month. I smoked 3/4 pack to 1 pack a day, but I had odd smoking patterns. I only smoked 4 times a day, and on each of those occasions I would basically chain smoke 3-5 cigs. in row depending on time and opportunity(your basic closet smoker). I was afraid of starting too low and immediately going back to analogs so I decided to err on the high side and started with 24mg. It seems to be working for me so far. I dropped analogs the first day, and have very rarely had pangs for them over the last couple of weeks. I have a few samples I've gotten recently which are only 18mg and they seem fine too, but it seems like I'm able and likely to hit those harder and longer with less effect. Of course it might also be due to my 18mg juices being fruity flavors, whereas the 24mg are mostly tobacco. Who knows.
Vaping 24/7 really doesn't appeal to me, so if the answer is higher nicotine I'm okay with that. I can get my fix, enjoy it, and move on. It seems that some of those who do enjoy chain vaping throughout the day tend to lower the nicotine level to compensate.
To be perfectly honest, like the analog habit, who knows how much is addiction to nicotine and whatever other analog ingredients, versus other factors. In other words how much is physiological and how much psychological. From what I've read here, the body doesn't absorb nearly as much nicotine from vaping as it does from smoking. I have yet to get the nicotine high or buzz from vaping that I would get every once in a while from my analogs(though some vapers report that they do). I suspect that if someone were to switch my juices for 0 nicotine while I wasn't looking, or a vendor were to send me 0 nic juice accidentally, I would be none the wiser. However, in this case, perception is reality to a great extent, and so as long as I'm able to overcome analogs, it doesn't matter how much of it was really just in my head. As a result, I'm not inclined to screw with a formula that seems to be working for me. Not for quite some time anyway.
Vaping 24/7 really doesn't appeal to me, so if the answer is higher nicotine I'm okay with that. I can get my fix, enjoy it, and move on. It seems that some of those who do enjoy chain vaping throughout the day tend to lower the nicotine level to compensate.
To be perfectly honest, like the analog habit, who knows how much is addiction to nicotine and whatever other analog ingredients, versus other factors. In other words how much is physiological and how much psychological. From what I've read here, the body doesn't absorb nearly as much nicotine from vaping as it does from smoking. I have yet to get the nicotine high or buzz from vaping that I would get every once in a while from my analogs(though some vapers report that they do). I suspect that if someone were to switch my juices for 0 nicotine while I wasn't looking, or a vendor were to send me 0 nic juice accidentally, I would be none the wiser. However, in this case, perception is reality to a great extent, and so as long as I'm able to overcome analogs, it doesn't matter how much of it was really just in my head. As a result, I'm not inclined to screw with a formula that seems to be working for me. Not for quite some time anyway.
I was a pack a day Marlboro Light smoker and 16mg worked for me. I dropped to 11mg after one month with no problems. That being said, it seems I'm more addicted to the ritual of smoking than the nicotine itself. I don't think I'll have any problems going 0 nic, but it will probably be difficult to stop vaping completely. Though, that is my plan, in the end...
ultralights here - 24mg start, found it too high, went down to 12-18mg and Im currently at 12mg and lower depending how I feel lol.
I'd start around 18-24mg if I was you; you can always dilute if that's too high, its much harder/fussier to increase nic by mixing pre-mixed juices.
I'd start around 18-24mg if I was you; you can always dilute if that's too high, its much harder/fussier to increase nic by mixing pre-mixed juices.
If you buy a starter kit, they usually ship with mixed nic strength carts. I found this a very good way of getting the nic level i needed. My comfort zone is at 12-16 mg coz i vape heavily. But this varies from person to person and from day to day.
I sometimes vape at 24 mg (when in stress or when haven't had my e-cig for a while).
As said: always start on the medium-high nic and lower if that is the case. Pay attention to nic overdose (headaches, nausea..) and try.
I sometimes vape at 24 mg (when in stress or when haven't had my e-cig for a while).
As said: always start on the medium-high nic and lower if that is the case. Pay attention to nic overdose (headaches, nausea..) and try.
i was a pack n a half a day smoker (marlb reds) i find 24-26mg works pretty well
its hard to say, when I smoked I smoked Marlboro Menthol Lights
When I started Vaping I was 36mg for the first month, then my tastes changed and I went down to lower mg in different flavors...
When I started Vaping I was 36mg for the first month, then my tastes changed and I went down to lower mg in different flavors...
I smoked about 3/4 a pack of Camel Lights a day. I started with 36 and am now down to regularly 24, sometimes 36. I do do low at night sometimes if I'm feeling antsy.
As DC said, everyone's different, so there is no magic formula. That's something you gotta tweak based on your own trial-and-error.
One general advice tho is what Capt J said. Start a little bit higher because it's easier to cut than to increase the nic level.
My 2 nickels: 36 is way too high. Start with 24 and tweak it from there based on your experience. Me, I like to vary my nic intake by the intensity of my vaping, rather than messing with the nic level of my juices... so I use 25mg only (2-3ml/day) and vape more when I need it and less when I don't. But that's only me because I like to keep things simple.
One general advice tho is what Capt J said. Start a little bit higher because it's easier to cut than to increase the nic level.
My 2 nickels: 36 is way too high. Start with 24 and tweak it from there based on your experience. Me, I like to vary my nic intake by the intensity of my vaping, rather than messing with the nic level of my juices... so I use 25mg only (2-3ml/day) and vape more when I need it and less when I don't. But that's only me because I like to keep things simple.
I went from 3 packs a day and started vaping 24. I found it to be too harsh, good for the cravings, but the throat hit was too much.
I do 18, but I chain vape ALL day, and well into the night.
I do 18, but I chain vape ALL day, and well into the night.
MY Doral ultra light 100s used to have 5mg tar - .4mg nicotine on the side before the Federal packaging and labeling change. So, 20 * .4 = 8mg nicotine. I don't begin to know how that relates to e-lquid. I would suppose that since we only absorb about 40% of the nicotine in vaping nic juice, that 1ml of 24mg/ml juice would give you somewhere in the 9.6mg range available via absorption. A 2 pack a day smoker would get 16mg from the Doral ultra light 100s. That makes sense because I got dizzy at first when I would smoke one of my Dorals after I started vaping 24mg juice. Once I got into vaping and began to vape more I didn't get quite as much of the dizziness when I smoked an analog. It seems that I was getting more from vaping 24mg juice than I was from smoking.
I'm probably way off, but have to start somewhere. The New Zealand test showed .01mg nicotine in exhaled vapor, suggesting that virtually ALL the nic was absorbed by the user, thus no second hand nicotine in the exhaled vapor. The 40% absorption rate that I read somewhere suggested that we DON'T get most of the inhaled nicotine from the vapor.
Anyone have data to back up or refute my hearsay findings? I'd like to know what a ballpark figure might be for liquid content to exhaled vapor content. It might just be that a portion of the nic is destroyed when boiled in the atty. We have read that the exhaled vapor does not contain appreciable nicotine. Then somewhere else, I read that we absorb 40%. There's a disconnect somewhere. Where does the unaccounted 60% go?
I'm probably way off, but have to start somewhere. The New Zealand test showed .01mg nicotine in exhaled vapor, suggesting that virtually ALL the nic was absorbed by the user, thus no second hand nicotine in the exhaled vapor. The 40% absorption rate that I read somewhere suggested that we DON'T get most of the inhaled nicotine from the vapor.
Anyone have data to back up or refute my hearsay findings? I'd like to know what a ballpark figure might be for liquid content to exhaled vapor content. It might just be that a portion of the nic is destroyed when boiled in the atty. We have read that the exhaled vapor does not contain appreciable nicotine. Then somewhere else, I read that we absorb 40%. There's a disconnect somewhere. Where does the unaccounted 60% go?
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I think you might be a little off on those numbers.
The NZ study found that we absorb around 10% of the nicotine from electronic cigarettes, but others here have been known to argue that we might absorb as much as 40% of the nicotine.
I agree that there's much controversy about just how much nic we get and what the bio-availability is to our bodies. I do think that a comparison to an analog is an indicator (for those who still allow themselves an analog once in a while). After vaping 24mg for a while, an analog doesn't give me quite the rush it did in the beginning of my vaping. I'm talking about the feeling you get when you haven't had an analog for two or three hours and you rush out to the the break area and huff one down (grin). According to my calculations, I got 16mg from 2 packs of Doral ultra lights and I'm obviously getting a little more from vaping a ml or more of 24mg juice a day.
Then again, if you are merely trying to satisfy the nicotine urge instead of becoming a monster vaper, you could use the desire for an analog as an indicator to walk over and pick up the Ecig. No desire, no need to vape. Eventually, you may gravitate down to 0 nic.
I'd like to see a full blown unbiased scientific study on Ecigs just to get an idea of how much we are getting. You can bet that BT has those numbers and they have conducted in-house testing for a possible product launch. I'm not sure at this point whether we can actually know how much we are getting. Vaping technique is certainly another variable in how much we absorb as well as the style of Ecig we use. We have people who vape stock 510s all the way up to 6 volt LR systems.
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