How many of you are using LR cartomizers on your cigalikes? I would like to get a discussion going.

[jandrew]

A ranch . Do you ever work round up? Not sure if it is the same there are here.

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No round-up ... his mother does horse/rider training. My friends area on the ranch is organic growing -- though I am out there mostly to get away from the city, chip in wherever I can, then drink beer and play guitar around the firepit or haul out the telescopes in very dark skies

 

[JJOOHHNN]

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No round-up ... his mother does horse/rider training. My friends area on the ranch is organic growing -- though I am out there mostly to get away from the city, chip in wherever I can, then drink beer and play guitar around the firepit or haul out the telescopes in very dark skies

I see, roundup for us was finding the cattle, them getting checked by a vet, separating out the calves, marking the animals, then moving the cattle over other peoples land to get them to a rail head. You wouldn't see a house or a building for a week.

 

[glasseye]

Small hijack... I bought a vision nano to try out a couple of weeks ago, I like the looks and filling from the top was a plus but how the hell do you fill the thing so it doesn't leak??? I tried twice and both time it spit it's guts out all over two batteries.

The first time I filled it very slow but the second time I covered the bottom hole with my finger and filled it as fast as I could and sealed it. Both times ended in disaster.

Sorry for being slow hon, I was having sparkle time with some friends. From what I've read, that's a common occurance that's never happened to me. Shrug. I just tilt it, fill from with a needle-tip bottle and put this cap on quick. I do a couple draws on it, not even on the battery, until the bubbles are done. Top off if need be and that's it. The online vendors say to put the cap on as quickly as possible to avoid flooding.

Sorry for the small hijack answer too OP. BTW- all I know is that the 510 manual are run-of-the-mill joyetech. I have the short ones 180 mah I think? And the longer ones...240mah? No idea of the volts or any of that, I just know it works well.

 

[DC2]

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[DC2]

Was the battery one of the 3.2v Joye or another brand at 3.7 or an unregulated type? How well did the 1.8 cartomizers work out?

I must apologize, because I was actually using 1.5 ohm LR atomizers, not 1.8 ohm.
I was using the standard Joyetech 510 batteries, which were regulated.

I can't tell you much about cartomizers because I hated them every time I tried them.
But I never tried any 510 cartomizers, only the KR808 ones.

 

[NicoHolic]

Question about the Panda 510s... are they buck regulated not to exceed 3.7V, but fall off below that with battery voltage down to 3.3 or 3.2V, or boost regulated starting at 4.2V and not dropping below 3.7V, or both, 3.7V from start to finish? The 3.3V only have to be buck regulated.

 

[AttyPops]

IDK. I'd bet on the first option though if you forced me to bet (buck then drop to battery voltage until cutoff...or just unregulated). Booster circuits would take up space. Some 3.7 eGo sized units are like that too...3.7 then drop to some cutoff.

That's why the OP needs to know the voltage to select ohms...or just try it. 1.8 or 2.0 would be a great guess for one you think is 3.7 volt.

 

[NicoHolic]

Thanks... that would be my guess too.

 

[Zealous]

I use LR boge cartos on my 510s. I have not noticed any problems with using them. The ones I'm using are 1.8 ohm. I tried using SR with the 510s but they just weren't doing anything for me at all.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

I use LR boge cartos on my 510s. I have not noticed any problems with using them. The ones I'm using are 1.8 ohm. I tried using SR with the 510s but they just weren't doing anything for me at all.

Where your 510's 3.2v or 3.7v

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Question about the Panda 510s... are they buck regulated not to exceed 3.7V, but fall off below that with battery voltage down to 3.3 or 3.2V, or boost regulated starting at 4.2V and not dropping below 3.7V, or both, 3.7V from start to finish? The 3.3V only have to be buck regulated.

I probably need to start doing some testing to find out.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

IDK. I'd bet on the first option though if you forced me to bet (buck then drop to battery voltage until cutoff...or just unregulated). Booster circuits would take up space. Some 3.7 eGo sized units are like that too...3.7 then drop to some cutoff.

That's why the OP needs to know the voltage to select ohms...or just try it. 1.8 or 2.0 would be a great guess for one you think is 3.7 volt.

I am going to have to start working harder at getting that information.

I wonder how small a buck boost circuit can be made these days.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

While it would help I don't think it should take any big changes in technology for a better cigalike but there are a few things going on.

One is the demand structure. Those wanting the smallest devices are a subset of vapors in general. Then those that are wanting the smallest devices themselves will want the focus to be in different places.

You have the new vapor and many of those will be unhappy with the battery life, juice, capacity, or performance. Some of these will move to larger devices. A small subset of another group will be a handful of people how have large devices and might want something more portable or a viable hands free device for short term use. I am sure there are other groups as well but I think all of them will be a minority out here.


You can tell somethings about some of the members by responses to people wanting a better cigalike. Some will instantly suggest a a larger device but that does not help a small minority of us that have something like two or three large devices on their desk as well as twenty eGo's. This tells me quickly I am from a subset of a smaller group.


Of course changes in technology will make the small device better but I think most of the things are in place to have a better cigalike right now.

If you want the smallest that is viable of course compromizes have to be made.

1. There is juice capacity.

2. We have battery capacity. (if the goal is to stay small I don't think having a battery that runs longer than the juice supply is needed)

3. Quality of the vape (this can be different for different people).



While I normally use higher voltage than 3.7v I can deal with. While I don't know all the regulation schemes currently exist out there in existing cigalike batteries I think it is worth finding out. It would be fantastic if they where a 65mm long 9.5 or narrower buck boost battery in existence.

The quality of cartomizers is all over the place but one that has good flavor potential is important to me. Maybe the ideal cartomizer would be at 1.8 - 2.0 ohms and have 1ml to 1.5ml capacity.

I think a combination of a buck boost regulated 65mm long battery and 1.8 ohm cartomizer with good flavor and 1ml, to 1.5ml capacity would bring up the cigalike to nice levels.

This might already exist, I just don't know yet but I am going to see if I can find it.

 

[NicoHolic]

The weaker a battery gets, the harder a boost circuit works that battery. The current drawn from the battery is higher than the coil current by at least a factor of coil voltage divided by battery voltage. This in turns lowers the battery voltage faster and the boost circuit in response increases the current drawn from the battery and so on. It's an accelerating vicious cycle that only ends when an under voltage protection limit kicks in. It's one thing on an 18650, probably quite another on a cigalike battery.

 

[AttyPops]

Well, IDK about boost in a cig-a-like. But I'm still waiting on the 10x improvement in Li-Ion tech we were promised 3 years ago (or more). There's stories out every day. Then the patents vanish, or it isn't practical, or whatever. Strange. Never seen America so hamstrung on adopting new Tech.

That makes what is not a 180 mAh cig-a-like into a high-drain 1800 mAh cig-a-like. I don't care what voltage, I'll change the ohms.

There's rumors that the oil companies buy up all the patents...but IDK if I believe that.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

The batteries are fairly flat on the discharge so maybe no boost, just a buck and a cut off.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

On thing that got me wanting to seek out the best cigalike again.

I had been seeing many people really liking the eRoll and I thought give it time for any bugs to get worked out.

I thought it was going to be the perfect tiny device for me.

When I got one I found it was underperforming the cigalike that I already have. The eRoll is nice and small but was not competing with what I am already using.

I wish Ivenvape was still making KR808 cartomizers.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

I have a game plan on seeing what different ohms of cartomizers are like on a cigalike battery.

I think I should get 4 identical batteries to do this. Try side a side by side comparison with each cartomizer with the same juice recording who wins each round. After each comparison change batteries. After I find the winner on one juice start over with fresh cartomizers and do the same with the next juice.

Since this could get messy in doing a lot of testing I think I should use a sealed battery.

I want to find out if the sealed Smokeless Image 65mm batteries can take a KR808 to 510 adapter. I also want to try and find out what the maximum safe discharge rate is on these batteries and what kind of regulation they have.

I normally don't like using adapters but for testing the cartomizers I think it is only fair to use the same power supply with all the cartomizers.

Then when a winning cartomizer is determined try and find the best 65mm or shorter regulated stick batteries I can find matching the type the winning cartomizer is then stock up on them.

 

[NicoHolic]

Perhaps you will find this SI review and linked videos useful.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Perhaps you will find this SI review and linked videos useful.

It didn't tell me anything about how the sealed version of the battery is drawing air. My 808's that I have had were not the sealed version.

The sealed versions that I have seen in photos looks like it is drawing air though a slot by the threads. I am trying to figure out if an adapter will work on these.