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Also the Eliquids are no way near as addictive as cigarettes ,
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Also the Eliquids are no way near as addictive as cigarettes ,
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The only way that approaches being a reasonable comparison is the puff count or drag count. Even that is not going to get you to equivalence because of the factors mentioned by @Eskie.
Your style, your equipment, how you smoked and other completely random variables will make a comparison that works universally impossible.
Your style, your equipment, how you smoked and other completely random variables will make a comparison that works universally impossible.
Definitely no way to compare as too much unknown and too much variable.
One cigarette can contain anywhere from 8 mg to 24 mg of nicotine. Of course nowhere near that amount is actually absorbed.
One cigarette can contain anywhere from 8 mg to 24 mg of nicotine. Of course nowhere near that amount is actually absorbed.
LOL... my first thought is this is the Drake Equation of Vaping. We can't know.
But while it's not quite that bad (we do know many of the values) the problem is doing the math.
The variations in vape style/hardware alone mean you'd end up with either such a vague broad ranging answer as to be meaningless... or an accurate one specific to only a small percentage of vapers.
But at least this wasn't YET ANOTHER "how many mls a day?" thread.
Can't remember who originally postulated this method of calculation or the justification (it seemed logical at the time);
Multiply MG per day by strength of eliquid (10 x 12 = 120). Then divide by 3.3 to get a rough guide.
That makes you a 36 a day man !
I know it worked for me when i was on high MG liquid but the advent of sub ohm vaping and huge clouds may make this method obsolete....
Multiply MG per day by strength of eliquid (10 x 12 = 120). Then divide by 3.3 to get a rough guide.
That makes you a 36 a day man !
I know it worked for me when i was on high MG liquid but the advent of sub ohm vaping and huge clouds may make this method obsolete....
No matter the eliquid amounts or ratios, there is no equivalence. No 'less than' or 'greater than' mathematical operators either. Whatever operators are used to mean 'better than' or 'worse than' may apply though.. But if someone were to ask me, I'd have to say, "At least one"..
add: Another answer: That amount per day is equivalent to the number of cigarettes not smoked for that day..
Does it "feel" like enough cigarettes to you? That's the question you should be asking, as all delivery methods have different absorption rates, and most e-juice contains a different type of nicotine than cigs, (as best I understand it) so it's really comparing apples to oranges. That seems like a lot *to me* but I don't vape sub-ohm and DL (which I am *assuming* you are vaping given the amount of juice you are using, but I certainly may be incorrect.) To lower nic consumption, find a small, MTL tank that's more like smoking (I like the nautilus 2) and you will go through less vapor, but likely will need higher nicotine levels to get the same effect. I prefer that style of vaping and go through approx 5 ml a day, as you are then compensating for sheer volume of nicotine you will get per hit.
Also, the amount of juice you use may likely change over time, I chain vaped the first couple weeks to compensate for differences, the desire for hand to mouth, to overcome the obsession for smoking, etc. So, really what matters most is, is it working *for you*? That's the only calculation to be concerned about, though there are rough guides that can give you an IDEA of how much to start with. 12 nic on a sub ohm device was actually too much for me to start with, I had to drop to 6 nic and I smoked 2-3 ppd. When I got smaller tanks my nic level rose to between 15--20 mg/ml per day.
Anna
Also, the amount of juice you use may likely change over time, I chain vaped the first couple weeks to compensate for differences, the desire for hand to mouth, to overcome the obsession for smoking, etc. So, really what matters most is, is it working *for you*? That's the only calculation to be concerned about, though there are rough guides that can give you an IDEA of how much to start with. 12 nic on a sub ohm device was actually too much for me to start with, I had to drop to 6 nic and I smoked 2-3 ppd. When I got smaller tanks my nic level rose to between 15--20 mg/ml per day.
Anna
Certainly not dl for me. I neither could do 12 like that.
I use a heron, a phenomenon, a kfun v3 mini, calix and funnily enough an original nautilus today.
As you can see I mostly build my own and mtl but vaping has gone downhill for me of late.
Tobacco seems to be clearing up my skin and no amount of tasty fruity juice is worth my flare ups.
Now, I've cut to 6 to try something different and I've had to add the dreaded menthol to bring back some throat hit.
My my, these are testing times
I know that nicotine releases acetylcholine which makes you sweat,
hence the reason for this crafty thread as a way of finding out if I'm using too much nic.
You don't know about first world problems till you've walked a mile in my ethically produced canvas kicks
I use a heron, a phenomenon, a kfun v3 mini, calix and funnily enough an original nautilus today.
As you can see I mostly build my own and mtl but vaping has gone downhill for me of late.
Tobacco seems to be clearing up my skin and no amount of tasty fruity juice is worth my flare ups.
Now, I've cut to 6 to try something different and I've had to add the dreaded menthol to bring back some throat hit.
My my, these are testing times
I know that nicotine releases acetylcholine which makes you sweat,
hence the reason for this crafty thread as a way of finding out if I'm using too much nic.
You don't know about first world problems till you've walked a mile in my ethically produced canvas kicks
Wait, tobacco is clearing up your skin? Cigarettes, or tobacco flavored juice? I've never heard of that phenomenon, but I certainly got the "quitting zits." I kinda do think that juice might still be worth it as if you can see a dermatologist, they might even have a simple, easygoing solution for you that is *topical*. I've been using topical acne products for years, (prescription strength, though) mainly because some of my MEDS give me zits, but I'll take zits over suicidal psychosis any day of the week (and also, COPD). Are you still dual using? Seems like you are vaping a fair amount on a small MTL tank, you may wish to move to a higher nic strength and vape less, throughout the day? Your skin should clear up eventually, but that's what dermatologists are for (and, I feel your pain, I don't like zits either....)
Quitting tobacco can also make you sweat.... There's actually an active post about that, Sweating and Exercise, and it might help you out though it does meander all over the map (probably my fault ) but there is some good info on there.
That said, if you're worried about it, that's what doctors are for.... Get yourself checked out in a bit if the problem continues, going to 6 might help, or not, but depending on how much you smoked, that seems a fairly low amount for a low wattage, MTL device. I might try going both directions and seeing how you do....
Anna
Quitting tobacco can also make you sweat.... There's actually an active post about that, Sweating and Exercise, and it might help you out though it does meander all over the map (probably my fault
) but there is some good info on there.That said, if you're worried about it, that's what doctors are for.... Get yourself checked out in a bit if the problem continues, going to 6 might help, or not, but depending on how much you smoked, that seems a fairly low amount for a low wattage, MTL device. I might try going both directions and seeing how you do....
Anna
Thanks Anna.
No, i mean tobacco flavoured ejuice.
Perhaps it's the sucralose or various sweeteners in ejuice or colourings that are doing it.
Either way, using tobacco is much better than using topical s of any description.
I've been through many by the way. I've also made a strong bond with my dermatologist so no worries there.
Like I said though, hitting it with menthol seems to be doing the trick for me.
Also, like I said regardless of the tobacco involved, it's the nicotine which stimulates your sweat glands by helping release acetylcholine.
I know that quitting tobacco can also help you sweat. Bare in mind though that I believe that to be a product of anxiety.
No, i mean tobacco flavoured ejuice.
Perhaps it's the sucralose or various sweeteners in ejuice or colourings that are doing it.
Either way, using tobacco is much better than using topical s of any description.
I've been through many by the way. I've also made a strong bond with my dermatologist so no worries there.
Like I said though, hitting it with menthol seems to be doing the trick for me.
Also, like I said regardless of the tobacco involved, it's the nicotine which stimulates your sweat glands by helping release acetylcholine.
I know that quitting tobacco can also help you sweat. Bare in mind though that I believe that to be a product of anxiety.
Sorry for long winded comment but no easy way to explain in depth,
Ok Correct me if im wrong but here's my own view of this.
Most long term vapers use an average strength Nicotine juices at about 0.15- 0.6%mg of nicotine we dont really use for nicotine but more for Flavours nicotine to me added a better Flavour once steeped to say zero mg juice at same mixtures,
I Usually settle around the 0.3% mg.
Most of my juices are at 0.3% sometimes lower depending on which device its going in,
I do not like higher MG,s now there just to harsh for me to enjoy them my throat is used to X,
So vaping Y is not nice any more.
Even though i started at higher Mg,s ive reduced down quite a lot ,
and often use zero mg to just test out some new mixes of Flavours.
We long term vapers mainly make our own juices,
Partially due to larger consumption of juices due to cost wise it can get very expensive.
+ I like mixing trying new blends and knowing mainly what goes in my juices along with avoiding colours an coil clogging sweetners too,
Ive gone from 30-60ml a day down to 15-30ml a day usage now.
just by switching tank styles , and wattage used, equals less Batteries and charging also.
Im using more single coil RTA,s once diled in Flavours are as good as a dual setup up at 2/3rds of the wattage.
I can easily empty a 30ml bottle during the daytime alone,
I often chain vape at lower wattage without noticing until i have to refill constantly,
But im enjoying it so much better.
at lower % due to me enjoying each of the Flavour mixes more,
Higher nicotine content at the consumption im going through would leave me with either harsh throat.
Or sickly feeling from nicotine OD,
larger sub ohm devices ie smok v12 @ say 150w
can deliver a lot more nicotine at 3% quicker to your system.
Than a smaller single coil device at 18w
Every one has different preferences of tanks , RDA,s RTA,s ect
along with wattage to match thoese ,
The amount vapourised from lower wattage / single coils is smaller ie less Clouds so less delivery of nicotine.
But also has a Reduced chamber so often has a better/ stronger Flavours from them.
Some smaller devices can be used for a more restriced airflow.
So these can be used better for higher nicotine dosages % without having to use higher wattage,
They use less liquids so the same 30ml bottle at higher % mg can go a lot longer/ further but still delivery great Flavours also.
So asking what Equals to how many cigarettes is hard to judge ,
it has many other factors like
The device's being used to deliver % mg,s
as well as the wattage used.
All play a part in this.
Every one is different on which device / wattage they like best.
this is why its hard to give a definite answer of which equals to what,??
0.3mg% at 20w
0.3mg% at 150w
Can give totally different dosages to the user, for the same strength of nicotine.
One can deliver a small dosage other can deliver a lot larger dosage from tbe same liquid,
So you cannot say 0.3mg equals 1-3 cigs
if your vaping at 10w maybe ,
But if your then vaping at 150w then what??
both can deliver the 0.3% but at a totally different instant dosage.
Ie...
150w can use say 1ml of juice every 5 second pull.
Where as 10w could only use 0.2 ml , every 5 seconds ,
so gives you a different results each time.
This is my view of it.
I could be totally wrong.
Im no expert on nicotine dosage intakes ,
Im just a long term vaper ,
1st was to help quit smoking which i have done ,
Now its a hobby/ obsession lol , collecting diffrent. Devices tanks mods rda,s and high end / high priced mods RTA,s ,
All used For finding the best Flavourful atties I can.
Just try to enjoy it, the new Regs are running into this same problem trying to find a steady delivery system of NRT
But its always goibg to be inconsistent due to all variables mentioned above , device an wattage ,
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Ok Correct me if im wrong but here's my own view of this.
Most long term vapers use an average strength Nicotine juices at about 0.15- 0.6%mg of nicotine we dont really use for nicotine but more for Flavours nicotine to me added a better Flavour once steeped to say zero mg juice at same mixtures,
I Usually settle around the 0.3% mg.
Most of my juices are at 0.3% sometimes lower depending on which device its going in,
I do not like higher MG,s now there just to harsh for me to enjoy them my throat is used to X,
So vaping Y is not nice any more.
Even though i started at higher Mg,s ive reduced down quite a lot ,
and often use zero mg to just test out some new mixes of Flavours.
We long term vapers mainly make our own juices,
Partially due to larger consumption of juices due to cost wise it can get very expensive.
+ I like mixing trying new blends and knowing mainly what goes in my juices along with avoiding colours an coil clogging sweetners too,
Ive gone from 30-60ml a day down to 15-30ml a day usage now.
just by switching tank styles , and wattage used, equals less Batteries and charging also.
Im using more single coil RTA,s once diled in Flavours are as good as a dual setup up at 2/3rds of the wattage.
I can easily empty a 30ml bottle during the daytime alone,
I often chain vape at lower wattage without noticing until i have to refill constantly,
But im enjoying it so much better.
at lower % due to me enjoying each of the Flavour mixes more,
Higher nicotine content at the consumption im going through would leave me with either harsh throat.
Or sickly feeling from nicotine OD,
larger sub ohm devices ie smok v12 @ say 150w
can deliver a lot more nicotine at 3% quicker to your system.
Than a smaller single coil device at 18w
Every one has different preferences of tanks , RDA,s RTA,s ect
along with wattage to match thoese ,
The amount vapourised from lower wattage / single coils is smaller ie less Clouds so less delivery of nicotine.
But also has a Reduced chamber so often has a better/ stronger Flavours from them.
Some smaller devices can be used for a more restriced airflow.
So these can be used better for higher nicotine dosages % without having to use higher wattage,
They use less liquids so the same 30ml bottle at higher % mg can go a lot longer/ further but still delivery great Flavours also.
So asking what Equals to how many cigarettes is hard to judge ,
it has many other factors like
The device's being used to deliver % mg,s
as well as the wattage used.
All play a part in this.
Every one is different on which device / wattage they like best.
this is why its hard to give a definite answer of which equals to what,??
0.3mg% at 20w
0.3mg% at 150w
Can give totally different dosages to the user, for the same strength of nicotine.
One can deliver a small dosage other can deliver a lot larger dosage from tbe same liquid,
So you cannot say 0.3mg equals 1-3 cigs
if your vaping at 10w maybe ,
But if your then vaping at 150w then what??
both can deliver the 0.3% but at a totally different instant dosage.
Ie...
150w can use say 1ml of juice every 5 second pull.
Where as 10w could only use 0.2 ml , every 5 seconds ,
so gives you a different results each time.
This is my view of it.
I could be totally wrong.
Im no expert on nicotine dosage intakes ,
Im just a long term vaper ,
1st was to help quit smoking which i have done ,
Now its a hobby/ obsession lol , collecting diffrent. Devices tanks mods rda,s and high end / high priced mods RTA,s ,
All used For finding the best Flavourful atties I can.
Just try to enjoy it, the new Regs are running into this same problem trying to find a steady delivery system of NRT
But its always goibg to be inconsistent due to all variables mentioned above , device an wattage ,
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I started out with the convenience store variety of e-cig from BT. Used them for a couple of weeks to see if they could help stop smoking. The problem with those is they are expensive and have lots of nicotine. It was over 45mg in the one I was getting.
I then moved on to Kanger T3s on Ego battery with 24 mg nic. A lot better and stayed with that for a month or so and cut it to 18 mg. Of course I went thru more liquid a day with this than the e-cig.
Then later I moved on to a Kanger Subtank with a mod. Also a lot more liquid used a day. Again a major improvement but the 18 mg nic was way too much and made me dizzy. Cut it down to 9 mg and still too much so cut it to 6 mg. This was fine for a couple months. I then ended up with a bottle of 3 mg nic and couldn't tell any real difference from 6 mg so that is what I have stuck with.
So it really does matter the delivery device.
I then moved on to Kanger T3s on Ego battery with 24 mg nic. A lot better and stayed with that for a month or so and cut it to 18 mg. Of course I went thru more liquid a day with this than the e-cig.
Then later I moved on to a Kanger Subtank with a mod. Also a lot more liquid used a day. Again a major improvement but the 18 mg nic was way too much and made me dizzy. Cut it down to 9 mg and still too much so cut it to 6 mg. This was fine for a couple months. I then ended up with a bottle of 3 mg nic and couldn't tell any real difference from 6 mg so that is what I have stuck with.
So it really does matter the delivery device.
Do'h, you started that thread, Zutz . That said, if you are now trying to get your answer in a "crafty" way, Imma gonna say, Do not pass go, go to the doctor. For your own peace of MIND. Get checked for things that might cause sweating, including too much nicotine, but seriously, go get the other things ruled out, man and get a yearly physical! So that you can enjoy vaping, or god forbid, if you have some sort of heart issue, you can discuss vaping with a Health Professional.
Anna
. That said, if you are now trying to get your answer in a "crafty" way, Imma gonna say, Do not pass go, go to the doctor. For your own peace of MIND. Get checked for things that might cause sweating, including too much nicotine, but seriously, go get the other things ruled out, man and get a yearly physical! So that you can enjoy vaping, or god forbid, if you have some sort of heart issue, you can discuss vaping with a Health Professional. Anna
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