How to build a Clapton for a mech mod

[Mikedin]

I am looking for assistance in deciding how to build a Clapton that had fast Tammy up times on a mech mod I have 24gnichrome 80 and for kanthol I have 26g 29g 30g 32g and 250feet of 34g I would like any assistance and experiences you have making an effective fast rampin Clapton thank you!

 

[DaveSignal]

I don't have a lot of experience specifically with claptons, but I do build coils all the time. If presented with the gauges that you have and asked to build something for a mech, this is what I would do: 24g wire with 32g or 34g coiled around it. 6 wraps, 2mm ID. It will heat up fast on your mech. Especially if doing dual coil, be careful to ensure you have a reasonably safe battery configuration.

 

[Tom Forde]

I am looking for assistance in deciding how to build a Clapton that had fast Tammy up times on a mech mod I have 24gnichrome 80 and for kanthol I have 26g 29g 30g 32g and 250feet of 34g I would like any assistance and experiences you have making an effective fast rampin Clapton thank you!

Yeah I have a lot of experience with claptons as well. 24g N80 is a great core wire to use. Use your 34g kanthal as your Clapton wrap. The Nichrome is going to give you a very quick ramp up time, so 6 wrap duals on a 2.5 or 3mm bit should serve you well

 

[Mikedin]

Thanks guys that's what I was thinking when I went with the bulk purchase I got 100feet of all those except the 34g I just went ahead and got a 250foot spool lol

Any more opinions or experiences guys?

 

[sonicbomb]

I'm very new to these coils, so bear with me. I have only built one coil on a regulated device which is more forgiving as you can just throw power at the coils until they work. I have no experience with claptons on a mech but:

The core wire is the key in targeting the desired resistance. The wrapped wire adds mass and surface area, and to a large degree will not affect the final resistance. On a mech your voltage is fixed, so a low resistance is prerequisite.
Start out with 7 wraps of 24g at 2.5mm wrapped with 32G which should come out to out to about 0.3 ohms producing about 60W (to begin with, then rapidly dropping). If this doesn't do it, try the same with 7 wraps of 22G 0.2 ohms (88 watts). You can also use a twisted or parallel core to produce a low resistance.

Once you have built the coil check it on an ohm meter before installing it on your mech. You need to gently pulse the coils gently, squeeze and rake them gently to iron out any hot spots till it glows evenly.

Please, make sure you are up to speed on battery safety. Any questions on this, feel free to ask.

 

[Mikedin]

I'm very new to these coils, so bear with me. I have only built one coil on a regulated device which is more forgiving as you can just throw power at the coils until they work. I have no experience with claptons on a mech but:

The core wire is the key in targeting the desired resistance. The wrapped wire adds mass and surface area, and to a large degree will not affect the final resistance. On a mech your voltage is fixed, so a low resistance is prerequisite.
Start out with 7 wraps of 24g at 2.5mm wrapped with 32G which should come out to out to about 0.3 ohms producing about 60W (to begin with, then rapidly dropping). If this doesn't do it, try the same with 7 wraps of 22G 0.2 ohms (88 watts). You can also use a twisted or parallel core to produce a low resistance.

Once you have built the coil check it on an ohm meter before installing it on your mech. You need to gently pulse the coils gently, squeeze and rake them gently to iron out any hot spots till it glows evenly.

Please, make sure you are up to speed on battery safety. Any questions on this, feel free to ask.

Thank you for the help I got my order in earlier so I have te wire I described above I am comfy level with my battery's range as they are all authentic Sony vct4s I know down to .15 is "safe" I prefer to keep a bumper as that's what I was taught by a very kind member here so .3 will be my main goal in the end (if the mech allows it) I will probably not go more than 5 wraps due to the fact that I know with 5 wraps of 24g nichrome 80 will put me around .4 alone and that already has a decent but still slow ramp up on a mech on my preferred size ID , being as I never did a Clapton before if I'm not mistaken a 3.17 mm coil may be too big to ramp quickly enough so I will probably drop that down to a smaller size as this is all about learning any more advice keep throwing it at me !

 

[Housetek]

24g n80 ramps up fast so its a good gauge to have a lot of. as far as what you clapton it with, i like 36g N80.

 

[wheelie]

Just getting into Clapton coils now that I found a place to buy it cheap. Not enough hours in a day owning my own business to sit down and spin wire. Got 4 different spools of Clapton wire of Kanthal A1 from FastTech. LOL

$7.63 Authentic UD Roll Coils Kanthal A1 Heating Wire for RBA RDA RTA Rebuildable Atomizers - coiled / 26/32AWG / 0.8mm*5m at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

 

[Mikedin]

Well I will be attempting it shortly I will be using the 24g nichrome as the core for sure and the 34g kanthol as the clap so we shall see how it goes!

 

[Mikedin]

and for those interested , its a bit sloppy since my battery on my drill just about died halfway through lol but 3/32 ID 9 wraps single coil at .57 ohms actually faster ramp up times than i expected about half a second!

 

[Tom Forde]

250 feet of 34g will serve you well. 24/34g claptons will be easy to make, for some reason with me, the thinner the wire gets, the faster I can Clapton without mistakes. And btw here's a pic of the drill I'm using:

Just getting into Clapton coils now that I found a place to buy it cheap. Not enough hours in a day owning my own business to sit down and spin wire. Got 4 different spools of Clapton wire of Kanthal A1 from FastTech. LOL

$7.63 Authentic UD Roll Coils Kanthal A1 Heating Wire for RBA RDA RTA Rebuildable Atomizers - coiled / 26/32AWG / 0.8mm*5m at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Honestly making claptons is probably one of the quickest easiest wires to make once you get it down. I wouldn't pay a premium on wire I can wrap a length of 4 feet in minutes, even with my prehistoric worn out drill.

and for those interested , its a bit sloppy since my battery on my drill just about died halfway through lol but 3/32 ID 9 wraps single coil at .57 ohms actually faster ramp up times than i expected about half a second!

Looks good for your first shot at it! Don't be afraid to screw up, 250 feet of 34 will go a long way. Try to get your Clapton wraps as close together on the 24g core wire. Take it slowly at first and gradually increase your drill speed as you figure out how you feel comfortable holding tension on the wire.

Edit: this is a de-cored 36g Clapton wrap originally on a piece of 24g.

Took me about 10 min to get 14" even with my archaic drill. Try to get your wraps as uniform as possible, and when wrapping your coil, bend the ends of your Clapton 90° to prevent the wrap from being pulled off in either direction

 

[Mikedin]

Thanks ! And yeah I'm using an 18volt dewalt drill it's my work drill the chuck doesn't close perfect at the tip but I just twisted the first half inch by hand bent it 90 degrees and chucked it like that and went to town took about a minute to do a foot like that sadly the drill was dyin on and off , when I get my drill case from work today I'll make a new length and try dual coils on my plume veil clone and see how it works on the same mech the one I did was only about a half second to red and a full second to really crankin so hopefully Ramp up won't be too bad with duals , they were much easier to shape than I thought also I believe the nichrome core is what made it easy if I redo the doge I'll try a dual core because the post holes huge I could probably do dual/dual cores and still have room in them te plume veil had much smaller post holes though but it also has a split center post so they don't both have to feed the same positive

 

[Mikedin]

Also how do you mount it with no core in it? Doesn't it unravel when heated? I tried to do a twisted 30g wire and when I hit the button it twisted like a pretzel lol

 

[Tom Forde]

Also how do you mount it with no core in it? Doesn't it unravel when heated? I tried to do a twisted 30g wire and when I hit the button it twisted like a pretzel lol

That decored 36g is going to be used for more alien wire practice for me. I don't think it would work so well inside an atty on its own but in the right shape it could...

Thanks ! And yeah I'm using an 18volt dewalt drill it's my work drill the chuck doesn't close perfect at the tip but I just twisted the first half inch by hand bent it 90 degrees and chucked it like that and went to town took about a minute to do a foot like that sadly the drill was dyin on and off , when I get my drill case from work today I'll make a new length and try dual coils on my plume veil clone and see how it works on the same mech the one I did was only about a half second to red and a full second to really crankin so hopefully Ramp up won't be too bad with duals , they were much easier to shape than I thought also I believe the nichrome core is what made it easy if I redo the doge I'll try a dual core because the post holes huge I could probably do dual/dual cores and still have room in them te plume veil had much smaller post holes though but it also has a split center post so they don't both have to feed the same positive

Once you start with fused claptons, there's a new set of issues that comes up. I'd say get your claptons down perfectly first before moving to a fused. The Nichrome 80 core is a softer metal than kanthal A1. It makes it an easier wire to bend and work with for me personally. Just watch out for the usual things when installing your claptons, hotspots, hot legs, bad wraps, etc.
How big are the post holes on your plume veil clone? I know it has a center post block, but man, I've seen some plume veil clones with tiny post holes.

 

[coilburner]

Also how do you mount it with no core in it? Doesn't it unravel when heated? I tried to do a twisted 30g wire and when I hit the button it twisted like a pretzel lol

Lol, If you take the core out of a Clapton you have a normal coil.

 

[Mikedin]

That decored 36g is going to be used for more alien wire practice for me. I don't think it would work so well inside an atty on its own but in the right shape it could...


Once you start with fused claptons, there's a new set of issues that comes up. I'd say get your claptons down perfectly first before moving to a fused. The Nichrome 80 core is a softer metal than kanthal A1. It makes it an easier wire to bend and work with for me personally. Just watch out for the usual things when installing your claptons, hotspots, hot legs, bad wraps, etc.
How big are the post holes on your plume veil clone? I know it has a center post block, but man, I've seen some plume veil clones with tiny post holes.

there small but not microscopic i could probably fit a dual core clapton in it but not much more but at least its a split center post so they dont have to share a hole for dual coils