yes, i don't know anything more of what i've written, i've mentioned it just because we're talking about that in our italian forum, then the challenge is not that secret but there are no additional info about that...
How to get a throat hit with Zero Nic?
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yes, i don't know anything more of what i've written, i've mentioned it just because we're talking about that in our italian forum, then the challenge is not that secret but there are no additional info about that...
Guess I'm lucky, I found some 94% alcohol, that's 188 proof alcohol baby ! 375ml for 20$ and guess what, absolutely no throat hit even with 15 drops in only 1ml of PG.
I'm done with all these tests, I'll stick with my nicotine for the throat hit.
I'm done with all these tests, I'll stick with my nicotine for the throat hit.
I have what might sound like a silly question, but I need to know before I go adding 151 to my mix. Does your breath smell like you've been drinking? LOL! I vape at work all day and I don't need to be fired for drinking on the job! 
I put everclear in mine and my breath doesn't smell like alcohol. Just don't put a ton in and you'll be fine.
There's nothing wrong with a little capsaicin, it's been pretty thoroughly tested for consumption. As with everything, though, don't use too much or it can damage your body.
You can always test the alcohol vaping's affect on your breath at home.
You can always test the alcohol vaping's affect on your breath at home.
Has anyone tried a weak solution of citric acid or ascorbic acid (vitamin c)? See Development of a citric acid aerosol as a smoking ... [Drug Alcohol Depend. 1990] - PubMed result "Development of a citric acid aerosol as a smoking cessation aid."
From the abstract, "...The satisfaction derived from smoking depends not only on the pharmacological effects of nicotine but also the sensory stimulation from smoke inhalation, particularly the tracheal 'scratch'. In a previous study, we found that a citric acid aerosol produces a tracheal 'scratch' and provides some of the same satisfaction as cigarette smoke..."
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Citric acid aerosol as a potential smoking cessation aid. ? CHEST The charts are pretty impressive. So how much is needed? I think, quite a bit: "...an ultrasonic nebulizer... containing a 15 percent aqueous solution of citric acid was activated for 15 seconds...
Of course, eLiquid would have the citric acid in a PG or VG base, not water. But imagine 15 % of an eLiquid being citric acid... I don't know if it would even work. But because it is heated, it may not to be as much.
and see also Clinical trials using ascorbic acid aerosol to aid... [Drug Alcohol Depend. 1993] - PubMed result , "Clinical trials using ascorbic acid aerosol to aid smoking cessation."
I bought some citric acid from a local store that sold beer and wine making supplies, maybe I'll try it sometime and post results here. If anyone else is up for trying it, it sounds like there has been some real scientific research to back up the potential for citric acid throat hits.
From the abstract, "...The satisfaction derived from smoking depends not only on the pharmacological effects of nicotine but also the sensory stimulation from smoke inhalation, particularly the tracheal 'scratch'. In a previous study, we found that a citric acid aerosol produces a tracheal 'scratch' and provides some of the same satisfaction as cigarette smoke..."
Full article at:
Citric acid aerosol as a potential smoking cessation aid. ? CHEST The charts are pretty impressive. So how much is needed? I think, quite a bit: "...an ultrasonic nebulizer... containing a 15 percent aqueous solution of citric acid was activated for 15 seconds...
Of course, eLiquid would have the citric acid in a PG or VG base, not water. But imagine 15 % of an eLiquid being citric acid... I don't know if it would even work. But because it is heated, it may not to be as much.
and see also Clinical trials using ascorbic acid aerosol to aid... [Drug Alcohol Depend. 1993] - PubMed result , "Clinical trials using ascorbic acid aerosol to aid smoking cessation."
I bought some citric acid from a local store that sold beer and wine making supplies, maybe I'll try it sometime and post results here. If anyone else is up for trying it, it sounds like there has been some real scientific research to back up the potential for citric acid throat hits.
there's nothing wrong with eating capsaicin.....not sure your lungs are as well equipped to deal with it as your stomach is, though......
In liquid?
I was thinking you buy it in capsule that you grind in a powder and put in your eliquid.
Try it and give us some feedback anyway, sounds interesting, I wouldn't mind vaping vitamin C right into my lungs, this thing is safe for sure.
I have a high nicotine liquid by Totally Wicked called Green Cow. It has caffeine in it, and the throat is painful. The caffeine definitely does something. I also have some 0-nic sample liquids, and my bf buys pharmaceutical grade Caffeine Anhydrous off of eBay to use before his gym workouts. If I can find info on whether it's safe or not to try vaping the powder, I'll go ahead and mix some of it with my 0-nic eliquids and report back here with my findings.
As for the chili peppers, Totally Wicked has some Decadent Vapor flavors - 2 of them, I think - that contain peppers. Diablo Loco and Diablo Poco now that I've checked on them. I'm sure it's just pepper oil, but there it is, if anyone wanted to try them out. I'm not trying the peppers myself
I'll be back with data on the caffeine, if I have the guts to try it
EDIT: Found enough info to make me try it. I'll add some powder to my 0-nic liquid right now and give it a whirl. Here's some of what I googled:
"Caffeine readily sublimates with minimal degradation, making it almost ideal for heating and inhalation. I am rather addicted to caffeine (I eat about 250mg-400mg a day).
Thus I put about 50mg of caffeine into a piece of foil and used a borosilicate glass tube to inhale. The caffeine vapour is hard to describe but somewhere in between oak and plastic. Being that it sublimes around 80-90C, the sublimated caffeine is very smooth and not uncomfortable to the lungs in any way. The caffeine recrystallizes very quickly upon cooling with a nice crackling sound, and leaves no residue when completely evaporated.
The result was the usual caffeine stimulation within about 2-4 seconds after inhaling. I felt alright after the first hit, but found myself wanting more so I took another couple. Within seconds it was like that feeling an hour and half into a strong cup of coffee. Lots of stimulation and a bit twitchy. Not unpleasant, though."
Here goes nothing...
As for the chili peppers, Totally Wicked has some Decadent Vapor flavors - 2 of them, I think - that contain peppers. Diablo Loco and Diablo Poco now that I've checked on them. I'm sure it's just pepper oil, but there it is, if anyone wanted to try them out. I'm not trying the peppers myself
I'll be back with data on the caffeine, if I have the guts to try it
EDIT: Found enough info to make me try it. I'll add some powder to my 0-nic liquid right now and give it a whirl. Here's some of what I googled:
"Caffeine readily sublimates with minimal degradation, making it almost ideal for heating and inhalation. I am rather addicted to caffeine (I eat about 250mg-400mg a day).
Thus I put about 50mg of caffeine into a piece of foil and used a borosilicate glass tube to inhale. The caffeine vapour is hard to describe but somewhere in between oak and plastic. Being that it sublimes around 80-90C, the sublimated caffeine is very smooth and not uncomfortable to the lungs in any way. The caffeine recrystallizes very quickly upon cooling with a nice crackling sound, and leaves no residue when completely evaporated.
The result was the usual caffeine stimulation within about 2-4 seconds after inhaling. I felt alright after the first hit, but found myself wanting more so I took another couple. Within seconds it was like that feeling an hour and half into a strong cup of coffee. Lots of stimulation and a bit twitchy. Not unpleasant, though."
Here goes nothing...
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I mixed the caffeine powder with some 0-nic Thin Mint from DIYFS. The e-liquid itself has no throat hit by itself.
The powder doesn't dissolve immediately. It's currently floating in the liquid in tiny white bits. Squeezing out drops into my atty was difficult. I know the caffeine will dissolve over time, so I'll see if it does and try it again later.
With the few drops I've tried with the nicotine, there is a throat hit. Not very strong, but it's there. The caffeine does hit with 15 to 30 seconds. It's a small dose of alertness, I didn't get any jitters or sudden rush of energy. So I think this might be something doable.
I have a small 3ml bottle of the caffeine e-liquid, it's topped off so that all the powder is in liquid. I'll wait and see if it all dissolves and report back with any throat hit news
EDIT: Caffeine has dissolved a lot more, tried the liquid again and I'm not feeling any throat hit. I used a drop of 24mg e-liquid after to feel a throat hit, and I have to conclude that caffeine itself isn't going to do anything. I think we can scratch it off the list
The powder doesn't dissolve immediately. It's currently floating in the liquid in tiny white bits. Squeezing out drops into my atty was difficult. I know the caffeine will dissolve over time, so I'll see if it does and try it again later.
With the few drops I've tried with the nicotine, there is a throat hit. Not very strong, but it's there. The caffeine does hit with 15 to 30 seconds. It's a small dose of alertness, I didn't get any jitters or sudden rush of energy. So I think this might be something doable.
I have a small 3ml bottle of the caffeine e-liquid, it's topped off so that all the powder is in liquid. I'll wait and see if it all dissolves and report back with any throat hit news
EDIT: Caffeine has dissolved a lot more, tried the liquid again and I'm not feeling any throat hit. I used a drop of 24mg e-liquid after to feel a throat hit, and I have to conclude that caffeine itself isn't going to do anything. I think we can scratch it off the list
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The black pepper flavoring from flavorart and the Diablo Loco Flavoring from Decadent Vapor (on Totally Wicked's website) are great for TH. The black pepper isn't as "deadly", has less of a flavor (which is good when you are just trying to achieve TH) and less of a throat hit per drop. DL from DV: my experience: 1 drop in 30ml of fruit flavor was great, 2 drops totally changed the flavor to a smokey fruity flavor with WAY TOO STRONG OF A TH!! ...so its good to have both I think but the black pepper is more versatile since it is harder to mess up.
BE CAREFUL!! I ruined 30ml of juice that was just perfect with just one extra drop of DL.
ALSO: I am originally from TX an LOVE HOT/SPICY FOOD. Most people in Philly think I'm nuts in the amount of spice I enjoy in my food. Please keep this in mind when using my comments about the pepper. For those of you who can't really handle hot food but need TH go with the black pepper from FA!
ALSO, I just ordered citric acid since some of my fruits need a little sour kick to them...I will re-post when I get a chance to try it out. It should arrive in 2-3 days.
Happy Vaping!
BE CAREFUL!! I ruined 30ml of juice that was just perfect with just one extra drop of DL.
ALSO: I am originally from TX an LOVE HOT/SPICY FOOD. Most people in Philly think I'm nuts in the amount of spice I enjoy in my food. Please keep this in mind when using my comments about the pepper. For those of you who can't really handle hot food but need TH go with the black pepper from FA!
ALSO, I just ordered citric acid since some of my fruits need a little sour kick to them...I will re-post when I get a chance to try it out. It should arrive in 2-3 days.
Happy Vaping!
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I use TW Patriot range Mad Dog in my tobacco mixes. It's description is pepper/mustard, but it just tastes like hot black pepper to me. A few drops is good for some throat hit. Haven't tried the Diabolo Loco yet, though, because I think they just got it in the American store.
Other than eliquid additives, more throat hit can be achieved with more volts. So everyone on this quest should try higher volt mods if you haven't already. More heat=more TH. 510's, 801's, and KR808d produce good heat, particularly at HV. And of course, PG = more TH than VG. Drip Tips or Tail-piping also seem to better transmit the heat.
Once you've got your hardware optimized for TH, then you can more easily work on getting the best TH from the liquid.
Once you've got your hardware optimized for TH, then you can more easily work on getting the best TH from the liquid.
VERY GOOD TO KNOW...not for me YET but when I do finally get down to 0mg I'm sure I'll be needing a higher voltage PV...now that you mention it. At this time...I'm SUPER FINE with 3.7 but I do worry about "being satisfied" when I try to quit the nic completely!!
Thanks for the tip!
Experiment with citric acid yielded negative results for me. See:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...itric-acid-any-luck-added-th.html#post1532902
Here is why I think higher voltage increases throat hit. It does create heat, which makes the vapor more chemically active and available and therefore increases its effect, and it also creates a denser, more concentrated vapor, effectively increasing the amount of vaporized eliquid per volume of air, so, for example, the amount of nicotine per mouthful rises. This also of course causes the device to use up eLiquid more quickly than a 3.7 volt eCig.
You can observe a similar effect with a 3.7 volt manual battery eCig by drawing the vapor into your mouth as slowly as possible (of course, this doesn't work well with auto batteries that have an auto timeout on them). This will also increase the heat, vapor density, and throat hit in the same way a high voltage mod will, although not to the same degree that a high voltage device can.
But, just to clarify, if there is nothing present in the eLiquid that is capable of causing a throat hit, I don't believe a high voltage mod will create a nicotine-like throat hit regardless of how high the voltage is.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...itric-acid-any-luck-added-th.html#post1532902
Here is why I think higher voltage increases throat hit. It does create heat, which makes the vapor more chemically active and available and therefore increases its effect, and it also creates a denser, more concentrated vapor, effectively increasing the amount of vaporized eliquid per volume of air, so, for example, the amount of nicotine per mouthful rises. This also of course causes the device to use up eLiquid more quickly than a 3.7 volt eCig.
You can observe a similar effect with a 3.7 volt manual battery eCig by drawing the vapor into your mouth as slowly as possible (of course, this doesn't work well with auto batteries that have an auto timeout on them). This will also increase the heat, vapor density, and throat hit in the same way a high voltage mod will, although not to the same degree that a high voltage device can.
But, just to clarify, if there is nothing present in the eLiquid that is capable of causing a throat hit, I don't believe a high voltage mod will create a nicotine-like throat hit regardless of how high the voltage is.
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