How to Prevent Hot Legs

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STiZzle2010

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First off, I would like to say that I am new to rebuilding coils and I am still a newb to vaping (only have been vaping a little over a month). Thanks to the wonderful community of ECF, I have done quite a bit of research reading through threads such as http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/clearomizers/396220-kanger-protank-rebuild.html and http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/463771-protank-cotton-rebuild-way-i-do.html and I have been given quite a few tips from a few members as well which I appreciate and has been a huge help! The problem that I am having is what I assume is hot legs. Let me explain what materials I am using and what my process is.

The coils I am building are for a Kangertech Protank II mini. I have Kanthal A-1 resistance 32GA wire purchased from Lightening Vapes and I am using good old fashion cotton balls that has been boiled in distilled water.

Once my tanks and all of the components are cleaned and dried, I take a straight piece of Kanthal (no kinks) and torch it with a trusty Bic lighter. Afterwards, using a 1/16th drill bit, I wrap the Kanthal 5 times to create the coil and each wrap is as tight as possible. Once the bit is wrapped, I push the coils together to make sure the wrap and distance between each is even. When I am satisfied, I seat the coil in the base (or whatever it is called) keeping the coils wrapped around the bit. At this point I situate the legs. I center the coils as best as I can, apply tension to each leg, and assemble everything needed. When the atomizer is assembled, I clip the excess wire using nail clippers getting as close as possible to the pin/insulator as possible (after each step I constantly check the coil to make sure nothing has changed and is how I want it) and I remove the drill bit. Then I connect to my iTaste VV V3 to check the ohms which are 2.0 ohms pretty much consistently. Once I have confirmed the ohms, I test fire (same method as a dry burn) and each time the coil glows nice and evenly and I cannot detect any hot spots. At this point I thread the cotton through the coil and assemble into the tank.

I let the tank sit for a few minutes and prime before taking the initial pull. I adjust the volts to get to me desired taste taking a few pulls each time. Usually at this point, I notice the base of my MPT (beauty ring area) gets warm. I do not get a burnt taste and the vapor does not change in any way. It doesn't get hot, just warm enough for me to notice. I have noticed when rebuilding one of my builds, that is had slight singe marks on the rubber insulator where the wire was. Not significantly burned, but marked enough for me to think that I have a hot leg issue.

I have built a total of 10 coils and only 2 have not had any hot legs. I follow the same steps each time and I do not know what I am doing wrong. Is it possible that it is the type of Kanthal that I am using that is leading to this issue? Is there Kanthal that I can use to eliminate or reduce the possibility of hot legs? Any suggestions or tips y'all can pass on to me? If it means anything, my juice is typically either a 50/50 or 60/40 and I usually vape between 3.5-4.0 volts.

I appreciate the help as always!
 

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Warm at the base after vaping a bit is normal. As is the singeing, but that will be worse if chain vaping, or especially if trying to vape the last little bit. If it's just sort of a brown spot, I wouldn't worry about it.

Short of getting special hardware to solder your Kanthal to non-resistance wire, no, not much you can do. Shorter draws may help prevent it, but that's not always the way we vape :)
 

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Warm at the base after vaping a bit is normal. As is the singeing, but that will be worse if chain vaping, or especially if trying to vape the last little bit. If it's just sort of a brown spot, I wouldn't worry about it.

Short of getting special hardware to solder your Kanthal to non-resistance wire, no, not much you can do. Shorter draws may help prevent it, but that's not always the way we vape :)

Ok whew, well that is good to know! So maybe my builds have all been fine then. I can't tell you how many I have rebuilt because they were warm lol. Oh the joys of being a newb! I have wasted too much Kanthal...




As to everyone else, I knew the thread title would be an issue or cause confusion as soon as I posted it. This was my way of luring y'all in bwhahaha! :rickroll:
 

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I clip the top lip off the white grommet. Even if there is a little bit of "hot leg action" :evil: , doing this usually eliminates it by providing more space between the coil and termination point.

Can you post a pic? Not sure exactly what you mean...


The only other thing I see going on here is running a Kanger 2.0 ohm coil at up to 4.0 volts... that's pretty hot. Do you need to go that high to get the vape you are looking for? Any problems burning your cotton in context of your builds?

I would not say it is too often I run at 4 volts but it depends on the juice. I am currently vaping creme brule at 3.7 volts. I have not had any issues burning the cotton unless I packed too much Cotton in the coil and it was not wicking properly. This only happened once or twice when I built the first few until I got used to the amount I needed. Since then, I have not had a problem burning any cotton or flooding.
 
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You might be interested in this thread.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/clearomizers/490677-possible-stinky-grommet-replacement.html

Doesn't solve the hot legs issues, but a cheap replacement for the grommet. Only way to totally get rid of the hot legs would be to use nr wires for the legs. A well coiled microcoil can mitigate the hot legs, but they still get hot, but not as hot as a conventional coil.
 

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Can you post a pic? Not sure exactly what you mean...




I would not say it is too often I run at 4 volts but it depends on the juice. I am currently vaping creme brule at 3.7 volts. I have not had any issues burning the cotton unless I packed too much Cotton in the coil and it was not wicking properly. This only happened once or twice when I built the first few until I got used to the amount I needed. Since then, I have not had a problem burning any cotton or flooding.

If you terminate that positive tight in the orientation of exit from the coil you will not have a hot leg. Have you seen superx's pic thread? Me, I'm a lazy sob, you know how I do it. I don't want fiddly or trouble shooting. It's a tight honey I want. Cut off some of the grommet and you increase the incidence of intermittent ground and compromised vaporization. Then you'll see nasty. Ya'll be sittin' there scratchin' yer head, mod wettin' your pants with a sh!!t eatin' silly look on yer face. It's the puny thing that's putting pressure on the neg leg to ground it. I've been through this extensively with Trayce and others on the grommet and substitute threads. There is no substitute for a solid pos connect stick straight and tight. Conversely if you are tension winding rather than forming, You can get a partial slip of the pos out of that 510 pin and experience intermittent there from too tight a set. And you also have to watch the hangers on exit from that 510 and it's difficult to catch with just the eye alone. Good uniform tension on that wrap stix. That'll get you there. But the KPT is not a perfect medium and the 510 sux. That we gotta live with. Along with clearo's get hot when vaped hard by serious tobacco lovers. Facts of life.

Just sayin'.

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p.s. You really want to see fiddly and wet, get a boat.
 
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You might be interested in this thread.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/clearomizers/490677-possible-stinky-grommet-replacement.html

Doesn't solve the hot legs issues, but a cheap replacement for the grommet. Only way to totally get rid of the hot legs would be to use nr wires for the legs. A well coiled microcoil can mitigate the hot legs, but they still get hot, but not as hot as a conventional coil.

The whole idea of having to resort to that complexity for something that should just work really rubs me wrong. Makes ya wonder why we're payin' for this stuff. But your statement is true, sadly.

I'm just tryin' danny, something different…

Post #9277: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ncrease-vapor-flavor-th-928.html#post12021080

Just might give us a leg up.

Good luck.

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