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You won't notice much difference between a VV or VW APV and your current setup.........................

I think this is very misleading. I've used the twist, Provari, Vamo, Darwin and a host of other variable models. I've talked with several electrical engineers on the subject, even one who invented one of the top APV's on the market. Without getting into technical electrical engineering "speak", these engineers (along with my experience) support that Power Regulation and variable wattage is simply a more efficient and consistent means of providing power. Does variable voltage automatically adjust the power to the head based on the ohms of the head - no. Does variable voltage automatically adjust the power to the head based on the change in resistence of the head from usage - no. VW does both.

If money is an issue, I would not recommend spending several hundred dollars more for VW over VV. But if the money is in the same ball park, a VW device is definitely a better option than VV due to it's flexibility and consistency.
 

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I think this is very misleading. I've used the twist, Provari, Vamo, Darwin and a host of other variable models. I've talked with several electrical engineers on the subject, even one who invented one of the top APV's on the market. Without getting into technical electrical engineering "speak", these engineers (along with my experience) support that Power Regulation and variable wattage is simply a more efficient and consistent means of providing power. Does variable voltage automatically adjust the power to the head based on the ohms of the head - no. Does variable voltage automatically adjust the power to the head based on the change in resistence of the head from usage - no. VW does both.

If money is an issue, I would not recommend spending several hundred dollars more for VW over VV. But if the money is in the same ball park, a VW device is definitely a better option than VV due to it's flexibility and consistency.


My point is that the op already has a vv device. based on my experience using a spinner and different apvs, there isn't a difference in quality of the vapor. An apv gives you different options, has a longer useful life, and allows you to better experiment with RBAs but electric power is electric power. A twist or a spinner is capable of providing consistent power to mainstream carto/clearos etc.

If the OP expects that vaping at 3.8v on their new apv is going to provide a better vape then on their spinner, they will be disappointed.
 

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My point is that the op already has a vv device. based on my experience using a spinner and different apvs, there isn't a difference in quality of the vapor. An apv gives you different options, has a longer useful life, and allows you to better experiment with RBAs but electric power is electric power. A twist or a spinner is capable of providing consistent power to mainstream carto/clearos etc.

If the OP expects that vaping at 3.8v on their new apv is going to provide a better vape then on their spinner, they will be disappointed.

It's obvious you have never vaped a Darwin, easily the best Power Regulated variable wattage APV on the market. I (and many others) can see a marked improvement in the quality of the vape (over VV models), primarily based on the much improved consistency along with not having to continue to adjust power settings due to the change in the resistence of the atty/carto, etc. Anything that makes vaping more consistent and provides less hassle is an improvement. I've vaped an ego spinner and it CANNOT match a Vamo in consistency of vape or overall performance, plain and simple.

And why would anyone want to pay 2 - 4 times more for a battery, as they would with a spinner or have an under-powered switch that limits what can be vaped on it? I'm not saying the spinner (and similar models) are a bad device. Just don't see the logic of paying more for a lot less.
 
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The VAMO is definitely the best option over any VV model in that relative price range. It is a power regulated variable wattage PV instead of just variable voltage. That alone makes it better than the other options. In addition it has a 5 amp switch which allows you to use any head on the market unlike most VV models that only have a 2.5 amp switch. Third, the batteries cost 2 - 3 times less than models like the eGo VV to name one example.

Good Luck with your search.
Why are there more suggestions after this?
 

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It's obvious you have never vaped a Darwin, easily the best Power Regulated variable wattage APV on the market. I (and many others) can see a marked improvement in the quality of the vape (over VV models), primarily based on the much improved consistency along with not having to continue to adjust power settings due to the change in the resistence of the atty/carto, etc. Anything that makes vaping more consistent and provides less hassle is an improvement. I've vaped an ego spinner and it CANNOT match a Vamo in consistency of vape or overall performance, plain and simple.

And why would anyone want to pay 2 - 4 times more for a battery, as they would with a spinner or have an under-powered switch that limits what can be vaped on it? I'm not saying the spinner (and similar models) are a bad device. Just don't see the logic of paying more for a lot less.

What are you on about?

Vision spinner 1300mah is around $25. Where are you finding these consistent VW APVs for $6 to $12?

And are you seriously recommending a Darwin to the OP? If they could find it, it cost 10x the spinner.

If you read my comments in this thread, I basically said buy a VAMO but don't buy it expecting the vape to be magically better. It just wont be. They both put out the 3.8v the op said they vape out without issue. Yes, it has some advantages, but it isn't going to put out more or better vapor from a carto or clearo than is the twist they have now.
 

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I think the Provari is one of the best APV's on the market but I cannot agree with you on VV vs VW. Variable wattage and power regulation is just a better method of regulating power and providing consistency. I've used the Provari, the Darwin (VW), the VAMO (VW) and several others. Having the APV adjust automatically (VW) to any ohm head I put on the Darwin or Vamo makes a definite difference in consistency and performance.

VW might be easier to use than VV, but they both use the same method, they adjust the voltage of said device, the only difference is with a VW device, the calculations are done for you, with VV you do the calculations and adjust as necessary. Power is a function of voltage. If you want more power, you need more voltage, if you want less power, you need less voltage. If you switch between different cartomizers of varying resistances, then VW makes it easy as you don't have to adjust the voltage as the VW device does it for you.
 

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Honestly your first choice was you best choice, If you did decide you didnt want the better mod, you can always sell the Provari for almost what you bought it for, However you will be a little harder pressed to get rid of the vamo and such and recoupe your money spent, just my 2 cents. Oh and no matter what anyone says, the provari is hands down the best vv mod out.Build quality is superb and the warranty is nice to have.
 

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What are you on about?

Vision spinner 1300mah is around $25. Where are you finding these consistent VW APVs for $6 to $12?

And are you seriously recommending a Darwin to the OP? If they could find it, it cost 10x the spinner.

If you read my comments in this thread, I basically said buy a VAMO but don't buy it expecting the vape to be magically better. It just wont be. They both put out the 3.8v the op said they vape out without issue. Yes, it has some advantages, but it isn't going to put out more or better vapor from a carto or clearo than is the twist they have now.

The spinner battery is $25. And it will cost $25 when you replace it. The Vamo's batteries cost $5 - $10. Part of a "better vape" is consistency, flexibility and ease of use. If I want my vape quality to be just as good in hour 7 as it was in hour 1, don't use a spinner. If I want to use 1.5 ohm dual coil cartomizers, don't use a spinner. Again, the Vamo provides an "overall" better vape in the same price range and will end up costing less over time.
 

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I got a eVic to "test the waters", and wish I'd purchased the Vamo instead. I too, wanted to see if I would like something with changeable batteries before shelling out the big bucks for a Provari.

You can't go wrong with a Provari though. If you decide you don't like it, they hold their resale value very well. There's a reason for that I can put into one word, QUALITY. If you do decide on a Provari, don't get the kit, purchase a XTAR WP II instead. They can be found on Amazon, and Ebay for around $16, and are great chargers.

I have to say that my vamo has been performing flawlessly for 4 months. I see no reason it will not continue, but it only costs about $40 so not much more than the twist the OP is using now.

True, the provari is near bullet-proof and has a great company behind it that will support the device for longer than a VAMO. However, if the OP wants to get his feet wet with a APV, the VAMO is a pretty low risk option. If 6 months from now he decides a provari is the way he wants to go, then his only cost with the VAMO is pretty much the cost of a twist, and hey, then he still has the VAMO as a backup.
 

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I have a Vmod XL that I put a Kick in several months ago for VW. I did this because I found my sweet spot to be in or around 9-10W. I don't use cartomizers, but use 306, 510, & 901 atty's all in 1.5ohm. I can tell a difference when I change from one to the other. The 306 is the best and my go to daily vape, but every now and then I switch them up. The 901 is close, but the 510 is where I really notice a difference. I thought at first it was the brand I was using as I have bought Joye, IKV, Bauway, MA, Vapage and Avid. The only one that was a different ohm was the Vapage hybrid, (2.0ohm... I have since purchased 1.5ohm's), I got with my XL and it was very weak. Then I bought all 3 types from Avid and there was still a difference. The 306 from Avid is just consistent from one to the next. There was even a difference between the Bauway and the Avid 306. There is a drop off in vapor and throat hit in the others. The only explanation I can come up with is the air flow from one style to the next as being the culprit. I really like the Kick because it is a set it and forget it device, but I am not seeing it being the same. The one thing I have not tried is putting a 1.8ohm+ 306 on top and seeing if there is a difference.
 
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