yes. the v5 comes preset but it was one of the first things i checked. thanks for your reply
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yes. the v5 comes preset but it was one of the first things i checked. thanks for your reply
Yes, that's not your average equipment they are talking about, and it's usually special builds with multiple coils.
Two coils running 5 watts each on a dual coil system will take 10 watts;
That's what you get when you burn thick 100% VG.
I think it is also mostly what I smell when dry burning my coils; strong pungent odour.
You need to thin out your VG. You are burning your VG and vaping ACROLIEN which is poisonous and which will definitely give you some throat hit.
Filterless, First I just want to congratulate you on sticking with it this far. I think most people would have gotten frustrated and gone back to ciggs by now. If a filterless smoker is complaining about TH it must be intense, something is wrong. Rebuildabiles in general and cotton wicks in particular are really best suited for advanced users, mabee set those aside for a week or two.
Did your HH357's come in yet? I believe that you need to spend some time with a simpler setup until you are more familiar with vaping. It sounds like you have had some terrible dry hits and may have burnt your throat up. If you do not have the 357 yet and your phoenix is reading 2.2 ohms try using your k100 without the kick. With the amount of cotton you have drip several drops on the coil until it is completely saturated ( like 10 drops or more ). If you still get harsh TH and burnt flavor, remove cotton and replace. Do you have any silica wick? Your coil looks pretty good to me, especially for a first time try. It could be smaller around next time and remember to keep the legs as short as possible where it attaches to post. If any part of the resistance wire is not saturated with juice you will get a hot spot on the coil and have extreme TH. I would rather flood an atty all day long and keep a paper towel handy than to get even one dry hit or hot spot on the coil.
On another note if you are using 4mg and just coming off of a pack a day of filterless ciggs you are never going to get enough nic to satisfy your craving.
I think your willingness to try a rebuildable this soon is commendable and please do not be disappointed. Keep at it, and try to change only one thing at a time, so you can learn the differences that a small change can make.
Did your HH357's come in yet? I believe that you need to spend some time with a simpler setup until you are more familiar with vaping. It sounds like you have had some terrible dry hits and may have burnt your throat up. If you do not have the 357 yet and your phoenix is reading 2.2 ohms try using your k100 without the kick. With the amount of cotton you have drip several drops on the coil until it is completely saturated ( like 10 drops or more ). If you still get harsh TH and burnt flavor, remove cotton and replace. Do you have any silica wick? Your coil looks pretty good to me, especially for a first time try. It could be smaller around next time and remember to keep the legs as short as possible where it attaches to post. If any part of the resistance wire is not saturated with juice you will get a hot spot on the coil and have extreme TH. I would rather flood an atty all day long and keep a paper towel handy than to get even one dry hit or hot spot on the coil.
On another note if you are using 4mg and just coming off of a pack a day of filterless ciggs you are never going to get enough nic to satisfy your craving.
I think your willingness to try a rebuildable this soon is commendable and please do not be disappointed. Keep at it, and try to change only one thing at a time, so you can learn the differences that a small change can make.
I also think you got fake Kanger heads. I have yet to get a DOA head from Kanger. Don't give up on the Kangers.
While you are trying to figure out why you are getting intense TH try to reduce the number of variables in your tests. Use the same atty for all test, use a factory built head/coil and use the same could/head for all tests. This will allow you to determine which juice mix gives you the most intense TH. Once you have determined the guilty juice mix keep the juice that is closest to the TH you desire and now try changing coils or try adjusting volts or watts, etc... Now take the best of all variables and combine them.
You will be most successful if you are only changing one attribute at a time.
PG/VG ratio
Wick material
Watts
Volts
Coil resistance
% of Nic
Airflow
Top coil
Bottom coil
Single coil
Dual coil
etc...
Good luck hope you get it resolved quickly
While you are trying to figure out why you are getting intense TH try to reduce the number of variables in your tests. Use the same atty for all test, use a factory built head/coil and use the same could/head for all tests. This will allow you to determine which juice mix gives you the most intense TH. Once you have determined the guilty juice mix keep the juice that is closest to the TH you desire and now try changing coils or try adjusting volts or watts, etc... Now take the best of all variables and combine them.
You will be most successful if you are only changing one attribute at a time.
PG/VG ratio
Wick material
Watts
Volts
Coil resistance
% of Nic
Airflow
Top coil
Bottom coil
Single coil
Dual coil
etc...
Good luck hope you get it resolved quickly
Pepperdude, thank you so much for your assistance.
HH.357 gave me the same throat hit and it was suggested I move to a clearo, little better but as you can see I am still fighting the same fight.
Giving up has never been my strong suit. I would rather take the beating lol.
Some do not like the coil, some do not like to cotton, so I have made another (forget the name of it but there were many youtube videos on it and is very easy to throw together). I will add a little cotton to the drip well to keep leakage down. It fires center out and ohm is 2.5. this is a doubled silica wick in a IGO-W3, nice big air hole.
No, 4mg is not hitting on much of anyhthing. First I want to get past the TH, then I will play with nic levels. I have just about every level at my disposal now (vape mail today). So far I am holding 24mg in my mouth to get the nic I need and still find I fall back to an analog from time to time. But I feel once this issue is addressed I will no longer need the analogs.
think I need to let my throat rest a day or two, maybe burnt it up?
HH.357 gave me the same throat hit and it was suggested I move to a clearo, little better but as you can see I am still fighting the same fight.
Giving up has never been my strong suit. I would rather take the beating lol.
Some do not like the coil, some do not like to cotton, so I have made another (forget the name of it but there were many youtube videos on it and is very easy to throw together). I will add a little cotton to the drip well to keep leakage down. It fires center out and ohm is 2.5. this is a doubled silica wick in a IGO-W3, nice big air hole.
No, 4mg is not hitting on much of anyhthing. First I want to get past the TH, then I will play with nic levels. I have just about every level at my disposal now (vape mail today). So far I am holding 24mg in my mouth to get the nic I need and still find I fall back to an analog from time to time. But I feel once this issue is addressed I will no longer need the analogs.
think I need to let my throat rest a day or two, maybe burnt it up?
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could not agree more. 50/50 or 100% no difference, volt or watt no difference, nic level is a little difference but 0nic and still get a TH tells me something is very wrong. airflow did make a noticeable difference but still has a burn. top coil and dual coil have not been attempted yet (my understanding is they both promote more TH) thanks for the reply
while I am no expert I can tell you what I know to be true... So far the juices I have received from VV have had a wonderful flavor (though the Virgin Line contains alcohol and needs to steep 24 hours uncapped before use) I am very happy with them.
I vape on my Vamo V5 at 4-6 watts. So your wrong in that you won't get vapor. I get great thick dense plumes at those setting. 7 watts for me is to warm and on the brink of a burnt hit. I also use 1.8 - 2.5 ohm coils. Kanger's as I use a PT2, Evod, and Davide tanks.
OP: I would make sure your Vamo is in RMS and not MEAN mode. Mean burns coils, hits like a truck, and just generally yucks everything up.
checked, thanks for the suggestion. something I also noted when I checked it some time ago, checking RMS/Mean has the same result as checking the voltage. it changes just by going there. so anyone using a vamo should make note of that.
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Filterless, your coil looks awesome, you may be a natural. I would not worry about volts, watts, rms, or mean modes. Just adjust voltage up or down until you get the desired effect. Most of the Chinese made products are of low or at least questionable quality. You really do not know if your unit is calibrated the same as someone else's mod. Please try your mechanical mod with a fresh battery. With a fully saturated wick you should be able to get at least a couple of good hits before the silica dries out. Keep adding drops every couple hits unless you are flooding into the battery connector.
Just as a FYI I usually vape at around 15 watts and sometimes as much as 30 watts without getting dry hits. The main thing to remember is that the wick has to supply juice to the coil fast enough to keep up with the heat produced or you get burnt/hot vapor.
I believe that your vamo may be supplying more voltage than is displayed.
Just as a FYI I usually vape at around 15 watts and sometimes as much as 30 watts without getting dry hits. The main thing to remember is that the wick has to supply juice to the coil fast enough to keep up with the heat produced or you get burnt/hot vapor.
I believe that your vamo may be supplying more voltage than is displayed.
Yeah I'm really wondering where edyle got that info from.
Here is what I found with a simple google search
Summary: Acrolein is a colorless or yellow liquid with a disagreeable odor. It dissolves in water very easily and quickly changes to a vapor when heated. It also burns easily. Small amounts of acrolein can be formed and can enter the air when trees, tobacco, other plants, gasoline, and oil are burned. Acrolein is used as a pesticide to control algae, weeds, bacteria, and mollusks. It is also used to make other chemicals.
this is what i found, and though it does add a portion of belief to the reference made it does note that the chances are very rare. as it is, i do not know where to stand.
Well there it is right there you found it:
you're not using a standard 'ecig' system; you are using 100% VG and according to your descriptions your are burning glycerine.
When you burn the glycerine it produces a strong pungent fume which will give you a strong throat hit; but that is not the stuff you want to be vaping
Building your own coils and adjusting your hardware is all about finding that sweet spot between zero and burn.
Yes, and while that would be a concern I also notice a few things that move me from worry.
First is the Jatropha Plant, it is grown and processed mostly in tropical climates overseas, only place in the US growing this plant is in Florida and sold only as a bio-fuel product. The VG used by Virgin Vapors is FDA pharmaceutical grade US VG, it would not be made from Jatropha.
Also, as noted in the report, acrolein puts off an odor much the same as burnt oil, I have not experienced any unpleasant odors, in fact my neighbors have commented on how great it smells.
And most importantly, I know I am not the first noob to vape 100%VG, it would not be offered other than special order if I were.
What I am experiencing is something I am doing wrong or a physical problem I have personally, I do not believe it is the juice, the mod, the battery, or the devices... more likely how I am using them together.
Reading all the replies here and the 17 other pages of TH questions I have open currently I cannot help but ask... where is the TH felt? The burn I am experiencing is deep, very deep. If I had to guess I would say lower than the larynx, over half way down the neck.
There are even times I have no burn on inhale but I have it on exhale.
Over 30 years on filterless cigarettes and over 5 years with a chronic cough, could there be scratches in my throat that vaping is exposing? Hell, now I am just grasping at straws.
(scratching head in confusion)
1: I have no idea what Jatropha Plant you are talking about; I have to assume you are referring to something somewhere in a report, but I quoted something from the link you found that had nothing to do with Jatropha Plant but which I thought applied to your situation.
2: Acrolein puts off a distinct odor, so if you are not experiencing any unpleasant odors, that is a relief; unless you nose is so bad from smoking you can't smell it.
3: I would like to get clarity once and for all about the 100%VG; is it 100% VG or is it 90%VG plus 10% water?
Bottom line; for experimenting purposes, I think you should stick with 50/50 for a while to get your setup working at some sort of consistency; I think you are totally correct that
And you need to settle into first an easy formula that works; from that point you vary.
I used to vape 100% VG for a while by the way, which is why I was worried you were getting some of the kind of issues I was getting also.
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