I am probably about to tee off everyone here but....

[IanK1968]

So many threads in this forum about suppliers being told to stop selling nicotine.... I am sick & tired of the government protecting me from myself! They outlaw this, ban that, and mandate restrictions on the other..... All as if we're kindergartners and cannot read or make intelligent decisions for ourselves. Dammit, I take responsibility for my own actions.

Since Alcohol and tobacco are HEAVILY taxed, and are multi-BILLION dollar industries in the USA and Canada, the government has not outlawed those items. But e-cigs and juice don't make money for the government, and the feel-good politicians think we all need their protection since we're too stupid and immature to calculate risks on our own. If I make a decision to do something with my body, which results in my getting hurt or killed, how in the F is that the government's fault??? Rather than to ban nicotine in e-juice, they could just post up a database of statistics, and make you be 19 just like for liquor purchases. Tax nicotine e-juice and e-cigs, put aside a fund for public education on them, and hold some in trust to cover any costs, such as medical treatment for idiots, if they think that's absolutely necessary to satisfy the libs. With ......... holding the potential for zillions of dollars in state taxes in CA, it's coming very close to getting made legal for taxable sale.

This is where I probably pee some people off. I know it is very Canadian to roll over and play dead when the government says BOO. I know its very Canadian to be polite, passive, and totally non responsive. I am SICK OF IT. Stand up for what you believe in already. Some of you remind me of when your mom would catch you with your hand in the cookie jar, deer in headlights man. Having to hide ourselves? thats really making us look bad. Like criminals hiding something. Is that how you want to be perseved? Come on Canada grow some balls and fight for what you believe in.

Nuff said

 

[IanK1968]

Now how about those Blue Jays 2-0 so far lol

 

[Iluvthearmy]

Don't know about the canadian situation, but the americans aren't much better. They tell us to sit and beg and we sigh and complain under our breaths but we still sit and beg. Government doesn't exist to mandate how we should live behind closed doors, but darned if that isn't exactly what happens every day. The politicians tend to forget that they work for us, that we aren't employees to be told how to conduct ourselves. Further more the bluejays don't have a chance!!

 

[IanK1968]

I would rather try and lose then not try and never know what could have been. I am not one to roll over and play dead. BTW the Rangers suck hehehe

 

[IanK1968]

Canadians allow their government and big business to steal our Rights and Freedoms and discount the health benefits of e-cigs. People you must get engaged in the process. If you do not, and stand by and allow government to expand and flush the gift that has been given to us and keep your mouths silent, you will get exactly what you deserve. There will be more restrictions, higher taxes, more government that we cannot afford, and theft of your Rights and Freedoms. Very quickly will you become prisoners of the state. You will have to look to the government for all of your needs.

Winston Churchill said, Democracy is a totally inadequate system, but it is the best system we have. Participation is a requirement for Democracy to survive. The fight for Freedom is never over and never won. It must be fought daily, for it is on going. Canadians must be engaged, they must be involved in the process if they are to continue to enjoy their Rights and the Freedom that we come to love.

Ok sorry all I will stop now. No more rants or raves.

 

[knobbysmoo]

Whoa there pardner.... Rangers are undefeated.

 

[Dougiestyle]

It falls to healthcare costs (which pad the pockets of politicians) and insurance. It seems that the opinion is that nicotine is bad for you. Drving without a seatbelt is bad for you. You are governed to wear one, though. If you're not wearing your seatbelt and are in an auto accident, your healthcare costs are likly to skyrocket. Thus, the government says, "Wear your seatbelt." Until the government is assured that e-cigs are not harmful, but rather helpful, the tact will be to try to make laws governing it.

I'm not taking the side of uneducated beaurocrats. I'm only offering a different perspective and opinion. I personally think it's way to mauch beaurocracy, also.

 

[IanK1968]

It falls to healthcare costs (which pad the pockets of politicians) and insurance. It seems that the opinion is that nicotine is bad for you. Drving without a seatbelt is bad for you. You are governed to wear one, though. If you're not wearing your seatbelt and are in an auto accident, your healthcare costs are likly to skyrocket. Thus, the government says, "Wear your seatbelt." Until the government is assured that e-cigs are not harmful, but rather helpful, the tact will be to try to make laws governing it.

I'm not taking the side of uneducated beaurocrats. I'm only offering a different perspective and opinion. I personally think it's way to mauch beaurocracy, also.

I agree with you on that. But can you say the risks of nicotine is great or equal to risk of smoking tobacco. I cant, even if theres more chemicals then we assume.

 

[Lil-Stewie]

Well since the gov disarmed our society and has access to the big money an armed revolt or a costly court battle is not likely to happen so bout all most of us can do is go public and make a whole lotta noise .. seems to have worked for a few other causes lately if you've been paying attention.

Too other than a news blurb here and there there is not much activism happening here in Canada .. we need a nic activist akin to Marc Emery!

Sadly Marc is in jail and a shoe in isn't available but really together as a group we are bigger and have a louder voice than one guy.

Each and every one of us Canadians that have made the switch to vaping, and all our friends that support a switch, should be emailing our MP's and MPP's weekly demanding some reasonable action and thinking about the product we are using.

Make noise, utilize your voice, ask your friends for some support!! It is federal election time in Canada after all

 

[IanK1968]

isnt Marc Emery the canabas activist? I think we are all activists, just like you said get out and make some noise. going to court would bring exposure, doesnt mater if you win or lose, you win with the exposure. More people will come out of the wood work and things will happen.

 

[rachelcoffe]

Stewie, the class-action suit against Health Canada is going to happen. They threw the gauntlet down, and now the battle is on. It's just a matter of getting a law firm to take on the case. We will definitely win the suit too...because the law is on our side, and because HC is flat-out telling lies. And they're using those lies to shut down Canadian businesses & engage in unlawful practices. HC doesn't have a legal leg to stand on here. They can't very well win a case based on disregarding Canadian law...or on the baldest of lies.

Money isn't going to be an issue for us; we don't have any, but the law is clearly on our side. One of the firms we contact will see the value to themselves in taking us on pro bono. Just the prestige alone of fighting & winning this huge class-action suit against Health Canada is a rich incentive. Rest assured, we won't rest until we find that firm. Then we'll proceed.

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As to MP's...I'll PM you.

 

[IanK1968]

Iam putting my hat in the ring with you Rach. tell me how you want to proceed

 

[rachelcoffe]

Iam putting my hat in the ring with you Rach. tell me how you want to proceed

Thanks Ian

. Tomorrow we'll begin talking with the lawyers. As soon as I know something, so will you.

 

[IanK1968]

excellent. looking forward to it

 

[wood]

how can u sue some one for regulating a drug

 

[IanK1968]

They are not regulating a drug, they are not classifying e-cigs properly. It is not a drug delivery device. You want e-cig in the same category as hypodermic needles, crack pipes, and bongs? this is out first fight. We are not suing neither, we are asking the courts to reclassify the e-cig right now.

 

[wood]

oh i understand

 

[wood]

but nicotine is more of a drug like a pharmacy drug i think maybe getting some kind of prescription would work but then wed have to buy it at the drugstore

 

[AlbertaClipper]

Rachel, thanks for taking this on. I'm with you all the way and hope I can help.

 

[IanK1968]

if the e-cig gets reclassified as a tobacco product then suppliers can apply to have a license to sell nicotine. As long as the e-cig as classified as a drug delivery device they will never get a licence to sell. If they reclassify it as a medical device then we can get nicotine on prescription from our doctors.