I can't seem to make anything good :(

[The Yeti]

So, I've been DIY'ing for a few months now and I just can't seem to make any juice that I enjoy as much as store-bought. The closest I've come is with PA's Pear flavoring (very close to Nhaler's Asian Pear), but still not my fav. I also like PA's Mango, but it's a distant second to the Pear.

Since I've been DIY'ing, I haven't been able to stop buying my staple juice - MFS Flue Cured. I've tried a whole bunch of tobacco flavorings and haven't really liked any of 'em - PA's DK Tab is 'OK', but not really tripping my trigger.

Can anyone help me create something close to MFS's Flue Cured? Or, anything that tastes even close to any vendors flue cured tobacco??

 

[landscaper]

What have you been mixing and what do you have on hand? F.A. Virginia is good and easy to mix. You have to have some Tobacco Absolute on hand. T.A. makes a big difference. Also some Cotton Candy from P.A. I also like to have a little P.A. M-type in the mix. Try mixing some T.A. at 2 drops per 5 ML of Cotton Candy. I use a tooth pic and dip it in the bottle of T.A. and then let that drip into your empty. Then add 5Ml of cotton Candy to that and shake the hell out of it. Then add that to your nic base at 10%. Mix in the virginia at 2% and some M-Type at 2%. If you want it a little sweeter add 1\2 ml of cotton candy. Try adding 2 drops of vinegar to it also and you can vape it almost immediately. 2% of F.A. cocoa is a nice addition to it too. If you like that sort of thing.

Cheers Dave

 

[The Yeti]

Thanks Dave!

I do have TA on hand, but every time I use it - even diluted by 50%, and only 1 drop in 20ml - it just tastes nasty, very 'dry' tasting.

I've got sweetener from PA, not the cotton candy though.

Vinegar huh? Is that just a cheat to get by without steeping?

I don't have Virginia, but I have M-Type. I've mixed M-Type at 5% - YUCK. I'll try some of your tips though and report back!

 

[Rin13]

I'm not having much luck myself. But I just started. If worse comes to worse, I'll just add the flavorings I have to already mixed E-liquids

 

[The Yeti]

Yeah, the only ones I can seem to make taste decent are the fruity flavors, and I'm just not a fruity kinda guy.

 

[landscaper]

Thanks Dave!

I do have TA on hand, but every time I use it - even diluted by 50%, and only 1 drop in 20ml - it just tastes nasty, very 'dry' tasting.

I've got sweetener from PA, not the cotton candy though.

Vinegar huh? Is that just a cheat to get by without steeping? Yes it seems to help.

I don't have Virginia, but I have M-Type. I've mixed M-Type at 5% - YUCK. I'll try some of your tips though and report back!

You can use the sweetener but only use one drop per 5ml. The M-type for me is just a addition to whatever tobacco I mix. It adds something to it that is good if used at a low %. Same with the T.A. You can use whatever Tobacco flavors you have and tweak them from there. I'm no expert and I'm just starting and learning myself so... I just found that if I keep it basic I can mix a decent juice. The sweetener will help with the dryness some, so does the cotton candy. I like to mix at a 60PG 40 VG ratio.

Try Cowboy if you have it, is a good one too. Try a little F.A. Cocoa and some F.A. vanilla in it also. If you don't have the cotton candy then just mix the T.A. with PG.

Dave

 

[brokepainter]

Hey landscaper what does you recipe taste like? Is it comparable to anything out there? Thanks.

 

[landscaper]

Hey landscaper what does you recipe taste like? Is it comparable to anything out there? Thanks.

I think its pretty good Virginia type juice. Try it. I like the T.A. and I use 4 drops per 5ML cotton candy at 10% and the F.A. Virginia at 3% and the M-Type at 2%, then I add 1/2ML of straight cotton candy to the mix. I also put in some F.A. cocoa at 2%. I think its pretty close to BWB Virginia. Not as good as the master mixer Don's but good enough for me.

Try it.

Dave

 

[Str8V8ping]

Its because of the flavorings you guys are using . TPA is not known for there tobaccos . They just arnt good .Its not that you guys are probably doing something wrong . RIN you told me you were using madvapes flavorings right ?Was that you ?If so there flavorings are not good at all .Everyone buys some bad flavors when they first start out because you dont know what to look for . I did the same . For tobacco's you gotta go with at least FA tobaccos which are supposivly decent or Seedmans tobacco's . Most flavoring companies dont specialize in tobaccos . They have always made food flavors in the past . Making a artificial tobacco taste like real tobacco is difficult . Thats why you will see lots of Vets here extracting from real tobacco like SNUS . A lot of vendors do this too like BWB so a artificial tobacco from a flavoring company will never match it . FA is trying and just came out with Blackfire which is supposed to be decent .They will always be better when adding other flavors to it though . Thats just the way i see it with DIY'ing tobacco juices but again im no expert on them . Seedmans is popular by a lot of vets here too . For non tobacco DIY i find most flavors by like TPA great if used in a mix . They are more like spices .You can create good things with them but they are not all good by themself . Capellas is a different story though .

With flavoring i like to say theres two types . Theres your MEAT and then your SEASONINGS . Capellas i find to be the meat and TPA etc more like the seasonings . TPA does have some meats though too just not all of them . Meat = Base flavor/Standalone . You need both though . Nobody likes unseasoned meat or likes seasoning by itself .

 

[ThatJoeGuy]

With flavoring i like to say theres two types . Theres your MEAT and then your SEASONINGS . Capellas i find to be the meat and TPA etc more like the seasonings . TPA does have some meats though too just not all of them . Meat = Base flavor/Standalone . You need both though . Nobody likes unseasoned meat or likes seasoning by itself .

Very good analogy, in my opinion!

 

[1SicPuppy]

I feel your frustration as it looks like I will be giving up on DIY due to how insanely hard it is to mix tobacco flavours, At first I thought that one could judge a flavour by its name but when it comes to tobacco I have found it more deceptive and was left trying to figure out how they name a tobacco flavour that the end result leaves me with a taste feeling like I have eaten some sort of flowers.

Wish you all the best and if you come up with a good recipe make sure to share.

 

[sjohnson]

Flavors are fairly cheap to buy. Buy "many" from different vendors and see what you like. Use recommendations from these forums, but remember they are recommendations and not cast in stone. For instance, many recommend tobacco absolute for tobacco flavor. I have yet to find even one formulation/brand that I really like. Capellas and other fruit flavors are fine if that's what you want, I find that fruit/vanilla/sweet flavors trigger my gag reflex after a day or two.

There's no ONE flavor that I like, but I do like "tobacco" blends. One that I play variations on is about 45% TPA tobacco, 45% FA Perique Black, a hint of FA licorice and and even smaller hint of TPA chocolate. These are ratios because of another factor - what is dilute to one person is too much for another. PLAY around with flavor concentrations as well as flavor vendors, flavor types and additives. Like cooking, making a good flavor is about understanding the qualities of the ingredients and adjusting to meet the goal of a tasty meal!

 

[Str8V8ping]

They are pretty cheap and available in sample sizes so losing a couple bucks to try a bunch out is nothing . Gotta also remember that these are artificial tobacco flavoring . They cant use real tobacco so they have to try and simulate it . Not always easy . Fa seems to be pretty likes for tobaccos . You can also do what lots of vets do a extract your own real tobacco .

 

[landscaper]

I just started a few weeks ago and I'm just trying to figure out what each flavor tastes like. You have to try each tobacco flavor at different % and see what they taste like. That's the hard part. So for me I was mixing some F.A. Virginia at say 1% then 2% then 3% and so on... just to see what the effects were. Been doing that with a few different ones and then you see what they consist of and what is the min and max you can mix them. Its time consuming and then you start to mix each one with different ones at different % and on and on and on. So you see its not easy. Its takes time and patience but after a little while and some wasted juice you start to say "Hey that Aint that Terrible!" LOL I might be able to vape that.

I haven't even gotten into the other little molecules like Tetramethylpyrazine 10% (PG) and Trimethyl Pyrazine 10% (S). That stuff is going to be fun.....

Like everyone said, its like cooking....you weren't a good cook when you first started and this is no different.


Don't give up you'll get it.

Cheers Dave