I cringe when I see the title of this particular forum

[AttyPops]

Well, I don't call it smoking, as I said earlier, because in this day and age.... so many companies have anti-smoking policies, won't hire smokers, insurance is different, etc. So if we get "lax" and let the antis call it smoking just because "we don't care - meh" or "it might help other find e-cigs" then we tend to validate the "you haven't quit smoking, you just use something different" argument. Or at least allow it a foothold. And that's not a good place for vapers to be in for many reasons.

I'm not trying to be "radical" or "controversial". It's just that others will use the smoking term and do harm to real people... that have quit smoking. The may deny them insurance coverage. Or not hire them. So it has the potential of real-world impact.

Searching the net for "smoking" will turn up so many other things besides e-cigs.... IDK if that's a good way to find it anyway. I respect the opposing opinion, and mean no disrespect to others, but I cannot share the opinion. When I say that I've quit smoking... I mean it. I vape tho.

I am willing to consider, but have not completely accustomed myself to, the term "e-smoking" as being completely different from "smoking". However, since it isn't smoke, as mentioned above by others too, I find the term not only incorrect but a bit offensive. I quit smoking over a year ago. "E-smoking"? Nah.

 

[dee5]

Attypops, please understand, I was in no way saying that I want to call this e-smoking. I hate that term too! It's vaping as far as I'm concerned and I don't think we should go changing the language just when people are starting to learn it. I only meant that more smokers might stumble upon our little corner of the internet if searching "smoking" turns up ECF in search engine results. ( somehow I think I still said that wrong, forgive me?)

 

[5cardstud]

Really there is no combustion to it, No smoke to it, so it should not be called e-smoking. What about using the ECF title and call it e-cigarette general discussion or e-cigarette use general discussion?

 

[Puffadder]

I agree with Phoenix on the issue. The "e" indicates that "e-smoking" is something other than "igniting a tobacco substance on fire and inhaling and exhaling the smoke". Just as email is different than "mail" as that term was commonly used before email existed. Email has some similarities to "mail" but is not the mail with a stamp and envelope that we were accustom to before email. And I believe those responsible for the ban on e-smoking or vaping in NJ knew full well that e-smoking was not igniting anything. My suspicion would be that those responsible (in NJ) might have arrived at a different conclusion had the dissimilarities between "smoking" and "e-smoking" been greater. It is most likely that the possibility of nicotine use was what did e-smoking in, in NJ. Although one can only speculate, had "e-smoker's" been able to conclusively demonstrate that "e-smoking" produced absolutely no nicotine in the environment, the outcome might have been different. But they could not demonstrate that as a scientific fact - and still can not to my knowledge. That my comment on the nicotine is highly speculative is evidenced by the fervor that some antis have for anything that has the slightest resemblance of the act of "smoking". For this latter group, it would make no difference what you might call it - you may do it as far as they are concerned. If they had any control of what you can or can not do in your home - this group would be there to tell you what conduct is permissible there as well. I find it sad that NJ could not recognize the great potential of "e-smoking" and vaping for the public health in general and put greater greater weight upon the possibility of some complaints from the more extreme elements in the anti group. But the term "e-smoking" IMO was not the cause of the NJ ban.

I understand the point you are trying to make but there is a serious flaw in the logic. I can't recall anyone ever giving me dirty looks when I picked up the mail. No one ever told me I couldn't read my mail somewhere. No one ever asked me my age when getting mail. Mail is not banned anywhere in this country.

Do you see my point? Mail is socially accepted so no problem sticking the e in front of it for e-mail. In fact the wanted it to be just like mail but faster and easier.

Smoking on the other hand is a stigma. If you look generally at what is going on in the political landscape it is a race to the bottom and guilt by association has become firmly entrenched. Watch any news cast on any channel and see how the negatives are always accentuated. It's what draws peoples attention and because of this people don't even see the e-. they only see and hear smoking. I don't have a problem with e-cig or e-cigarette being used as the negative connotations are not as strong for cig and cigarette as smoking and these terms should provide enough opportunity for people to find out about vaping through Google without having to use the term e-smoking.

 

[Thulium]

I don't really care for the term "e-smoking" because there is no smoke and that could confuse people, but if you understand that the term "e-cigarette" is used because the product is marketed to smokers, the objection disappears. Non-smokers aren't interested in "cigarettes" but smokers are. That's why after you've been vaping for a while, you start referring to it as a "Personal Vaporizer" instead of an e-cig as vaping becomes less like smoking cigarettes.

When talking to a smoker, its an "electronic cigarette"; when talking to vaper/nonsmoker it is a personal vaporizer. If you're going to use the term "e-smoking", it should really only refer to people who still direct inhale and hold the vapor in their lungs like they would smoke...but eventually "e-smoking" evolves into a form of "vaping" that has very little in common with cigarette smoking.

 

[AttyPops]

Attypops, please understand, I was in no way saying that I want to call this e-smoking. I hate that term too! It's vaping as far as I'm concerned and I don't think we should go changing the language just when people are starting to learn it. I only meant that more smokers might stumble upon our little corner of the internet if searching "smoking" turns up ECF in search engine results. ( somehow I think I still said that wrong, forgive me?)

Forgive you? I haven't accused you! I am only expressing my opinion, not denying you yours. So, of course, forgiven for doing nothing wrong!

 

[JW50]

Well, I don't call it smoking, as I said earlier, because in this day and age.... so many companies have anti-smoking policies, won't hire smokers, insurance is different, etc. So if we get "lax" and let the antis call it smoking just because "we don't care - meh" or "it might help other find e-cigs" then we tend to validate the "you haven't quit smoking, you just use something different" argument. Or at least allow it a foothold. And that's not a good place for vapers to be in for many reasons.

I'm not trying to be "radical" or "controversial". It's just that others will use the smoking term and do harm to real people... that have quit smoking. The may deny them insurance coverage. Or not hire them. So it has the potential of real-world impact.

Searching the net for "smoking" will turn up so many other things besides e-cigs.... IDK if that's a good way to find it anyway. I respect the opposing opinion, and mean no disrespect to others, but I cannot share the opinion. When I say that I've quit smoking... I mean it. I vape tho.

I am willing to consider, but have not completely accustomed myself to, the term "e-smoking" as being completely different from "smoking". However, since it isn't smoke, as mentioned above by others too, I find the term not only incorrect but a bit offensive. I quit smoking over a year ago. "E-smoking"? Nah.

For me, I don't call it smoking either. But what I do, insurance companies may not call it non-smoking and employers, in some cases, may not call it non-smoking. Call it by any name - but the way they test for "non-smoking" may still turn up that you are a non "non-smoker". Is a non-non-smoker a smoker? In my view no. But calling it cheese and crackers, or vaping, or e-scubadiving doesn't change the type of testing that is commonly done. I would still say that "e-lightenment" will have more benefit to it than the name that it is called. To me the benefits of e-cigarettes as opposed to cigarettes are so obvious that it becomes almost criminal for the antis to take positions that have the effect to discourage a smoker from changing from smoking to cheese and crackers, or vaping, or e-scubadiving or e-smoking. Cigarettes come with huge impact upon personal health of the smoker and probably with significant impact upon the family of the smoker and those near the smoker. E-cigarettes, in my view, are quite different. While e-cigarettes may not have absolute and perfect safety for the PV'er, the vaper, etc., the comparison is perhaps 100 fold less to the PV'er and perhaps 1,000 to 10,000 fold less to family and those nearby. If public heath is truly the issue for the antis, the insurance companies or an employer, it seems reasonable to weigh the loss of converts to e-cigs caused, versus the gains of total abstainers accomplished, by more restrictive rules. NJ's choice was the more restrictive route, not wise public policy (at this time) IMO. In the same vain, if calling it cheese and crackers causes the loss of one convert from smoking to e-smoking, that is as bad as the NJ policy choice in terms of gains in public health as a whole that might otherwise have occurred.

 

[Puffadder]

Maybe instead of e-smoking we should call it i-smoking or i-vaping as it seems that putting an i- in front of a name these days automatically makes it a wonderful product.

 

[chriscmc]

And I was about to say that thank heavens nobody has gone with the "i-" thing yet ")

 

[dee5]

Maybe Apple should be the next electronic cigarette innovator? lol

 

[Szn122]

Happy to jump in here! I was at Detroit Tiger game last night & it downpoured! Stuck under seats & vaped (in cognito)....crazy how SOME people reacted! Ya KNOW they couldn't SMELL anything (other than rain!) AND I would stick the "BLUE fire" end in my palm, but NOPE, didn't stop the dirty looks!

*I wanna wear a ballcap that says "I'm NOT SMOKING, you idiot!!!" + something EZ that describes what I AM doing, ya know? Maybe a no-smoking sign (circle w/slash), BUT something that can be INDISPUTABLE as to what I AM doing...ya know?

The ONLY perk was that, although sold-out game & we're ALL crammed into tiny space, people MOVED AWAY from me, and therefore, I COULD BREATHE in 100 degrees temp AND humidity!!!
LOL

Lookin' for ideas cuz I'm seriously sick of the "looks" I get...seems they don't wanna ASK me WTH...hmmmmm.....need a true "comeback"!

 

[JW50]

Happy to jump in here! I was at Detroit Tiger game last night & it downpoured! Stuck under seats & vaped (in cognito)....crazy how SOME people reacted! Ya KNOW they couldn't SMELL anything (other than rain!) AND I would stick the "BLUE fire" end in my palm, but NOPE, didn't stop the dirty looks!

*I wanna wear a ballcap that says "I'm NOT SMOKING, you idiot!!!" + something EZ that describes what I AM doing, ya know? Maybe a no-smoking sign (circle w/slash), BUT something that can be INDISPUTABLE as to what I AM doing...ya know?

The ONLY perk was that, although sold-out game & we're ALL crammed into tiny space, people MOVED AWAY from me, and therefore, I COULD BREATHE in 100 degrees temp AND humidity!!!
LOL

Lookin' for ideas cuz I'm seriously sick of the "looks" I get...seems they don't wanna ASK me WTH...hmmmmm.....need a true "comeback"!

Not my neck of the woods so I may have the rivalry wrong but what about "What's the matter with you, an Indians fan?

 

[JTman]

Happy to jump in here! I was at Detroit Tiger game last night & it downpoured! Stuck under seats & vaped (in cognito)....crazy how SOME people reacted! Ya KNOW they couldn't SMELL anything (other than rain!) AND I would stick the "BLUE fire" end in my palm, but NOPE, didn't stop the dirty looks!

*I wanna wear a ballcap that says "I'm NOT SMOKING, you idiot!!!" + something EZ that describes what I AM doing, ya know? Maybe a no-smoking sign (circle w/slash), BUT something that can be INDISPUTABLE as to what I AM doing...ya know?

The ONLY perk was that, although sold-out game & we're ALL crammed into tiny space, people MOVED AWAY from me, and therefore, I COULD BREATHE in 100 degrees temp AND humidity!!!
LOL

Lookin' for ideas cuz I'm seriously sick of the "looks" I get...seems they don't wanna ASK me WTH...hmmmmm.....need a true "comeback"!

What a day for a ballgame! That was a pretty wicked storm. At least people moved out of the way. I think its hilarious. I can just hear their thoughts "OMG look at that guy smoking out of his hand, it doesnt even smell and the 'smoke' disappears in seconds, it must be some kind of voodoo cigarette. We better stand back"

I live downriver and its like the stoneage here. I swear most of the people around me dont even know what the internet is. Everyone pays their bills in person, driving around all over the place every month, DRIVES ME CRAZY! anyway, /rant

I can see keeping the e-cig terminology around for people that are new or looking into them. Its important that people be able to find information for something they dont know about. That is a very valid point. But I also have to agree with others in that once we have given up the smokes we want to distance ourselves from the stigma. I'm not a smoker, i use this as a safer, tastier, way to deal with my nicotine addiciton.

 

[JTman]

Maybe Apple should be the next electronic cigarette innovator? lol

The iphone needs an icig app, then i can just vape with my phone and keep my pockets less cluttered

 

[Puffadder]

The iphone needs an icig app, then i can just vape with my phone and keep my pockets less cluttered

That just gave me an idea...now if I can only find the iphone clone I had that went for a swim...bet it could be made into a killer mod. Just checked the spare battery I had and it's 3.7v and 900mah.

 

[Puffadder]

That just gave me an idea...now if I can only find the iphone clone I had that went for a swim...bet it could be made into a killer mod. Just checked the spare battery I had and it's 3.7v and 900mah.

Should I call it the iPuff, iVape or iAtty?

 

[Ember]

Oooooh! "iPuff" !!!!!!

 

[dripdaddy]

Maybe Apple should be the next electronic cigarette innovator? lol

Then it would only work if you held it a certain way. Apple would take no responsibility and would call it user error.

 

[bobsyeruncle]

Should I call it the iPuff, iVape or iAtty?

How about the "Eff off you stupid nazis, I'm just playing Angry Birds over here."

Now with realistic explosive effects. *puff* *cough*

 

[dee5]

ipuff sounds a little girly to me. Would you guys vape an ipuff? Maybe you could make ipuffs for the girls and idrags for the guys? lol, I don't know