I found my problem with poor performing attys!!!!!

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I posted sometime last week about a problem I was having with my Cisco LR 306. Not that they didnt fit, but they just seemed weak as all heck. Many of you great people, including Rob, posted up some helpful info. I tried all the different suggestions, with no improvement. I think I threw out 4 attys, that worked great for about 5 hours, then just dwinddled. As a recap, I did check the attys for resistance, battery voltage, and even voltage under load- all speced out fine. I was at work yesterday, when the weak vape happened again and I actually got mad.
I work in the auto industry, so I went to one of my head electrical techs, told him what was happening and to "figure it out". He looked at the design and politely told me "Theres nothing to go wrong, youre just losing it" After a few choice words and bantering, he told me it had to be an electrical contact issue, nothing else.
We played around with it for a few minutes and found something weird. We were dry firing the atty and when we rotated the battery inside the Grand, at certain times the faint sizzle turned into a huge oil fryer type sound. I then redripped on the atty, and aside from the horrid taste it was warm and the throat hit was awesome. I told him "make it keep doing that". Mind you this guy thinks I'm nuts for vaping, but he was helping out regardless, even though he was chuckling the whole time.
After a few more hits, they went back to being cool and lack luster. We kept loooking for the culprit and found that the battery had an ever so slight sideways movement, and when it was far right(away from the bottle) is when the cool hits were happening, and at far left(towards the bottle) it was working awesome.
He wanted to run a weld bead down the one side to keep the battery far left, I not so politely declined, I dont want "pacifier" ruined. So we cut a few strips of electrical tape and placed them on the right side of the battery area to keep the battery towards the bottle side. 15 hours later and it's still perfect.
Why this all of the sudden happened after 8 months or so I beyond me. They're the same batteries I've been using since the begining, and there is no wear on the Grand at all. But problem solved!!!

Me before=:mad: Me after=:vapor:

And my tech was happy too, he got a steak dinner at Outback for his help
 

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Interesting. When I was using the BDL, high drain, with essentially a flat top, I used RE magnets, just the size of the button top on AW, in Minis. For a while the Mini preferred this, for a couple of months, and then all of a sudden it worked better without the magnet. Not sure why.

I do know that with several of the Minis I've readjusted the firing pin a bit to get a more precise touch, to the middle of the button top when it seemed like it was not making best contact with the button or magnet "fake button top."

My tumbled Mini never seemed quite right besides the issue with newer attys not making good enough contact in the well. Then it wouldn't fire even with the older attys. Only way I could get it to fire was to put a 510-901_901-510 on. It hit for a while and then poof, the spring collapsed. I had adjusted the firing pin position several times prior to improve the contact but at some point it just didn't help much any more.

Besides the magic that Rob tosses in to the Reos I think, ocassionally a little gremlin hops in for a ride.

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I had a 14500 protected that collapsed in the top after getting fried from firing for a long time (tossed it of course). I also have an AW 14500 (red) that is a bit shorter than the other and it does about the same. I know why the first one collapsed but no clue why the second one is a bit short. There's definitely a difference in using it, maybe I'll black tape it into submission. Glad you got it figured out!
 

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I had a 14500 protected that collapsed in the top after getting fried from firing for a long time (tossed it of course). I also have an AW 14500 (red) that is a bit shorter than the other and it does about the same. I know why the first one collapsed but no clue why the second one is a bit short. There's definitely a difference in using it, maybe I'll black tape it into submission. Glad you got it figured out!

Is your spring collapsed? That happens when a short occurs. If so, it needs to be replaced.

Alice posted a great pic of a collapsed spring here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...w-reo-mini-stopped-working-2.html#post3394628
 
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I had a 14500 protected that collapsed in the top after getting fried from firing for a long time (tossed it of course). I also have an AW 14500 (red) that is a bit shorter than the other and it does about the same. I know why the first one collapsed but no clue why the second one is a bit short. There's definitely a difference in using it, maybe I'll black tape it into submission. Glad you got it figured out!

When you say shorter...do you mean physically shorter? The red AWs are shorter than their protected siblings. But mlinky is correct, if you shorted your mod, you need to replace the spring. On the metal mods, its as easy as removing a screw. So you may not need to send your mod back to Rob if you're comfortable replacing the spring yourself. :)
 

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ive had this problem as well and just rolled the battery a bit and it was fine. if i ever start getting the feeling like the battery is low when i know its not i just move the battery a touch and everything is fine. Always wondered why the part that touches the top of the battery is bent down so just a little bit of it touches teh battery, would it not be better for more of it to touch. Im not electrical guy so i dont know these things. Also had teh spring colapse once on me but i just stretched it back out and it worked fine.
 

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sorry to confuse you guys the first 14500 that collapsed wasn't in the Reo. The short second AW is just physically shorter than the other batteries like the top of the battery was smooshed. I think it's becase my other boxmod is a tighter fit and the other battery simply did smoosh in it. So if you use your batteries in another mod you could change the way the battery fits and then it doesnt fire as well in the Reo. I just figured this out, so had I explained it right it might be helpful in figuring out why a battery isn't firing right.
 

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Good info here.

I too noticed that the batt moves around quite a bit but didn't really realize that moving it toward the bottle helped. On occasion if I'm not getting good hits I'll get fustrated and move the batt and it seemed to help but didn't really realize what the problem was. I just thought it was the firing pin not hitting right or not enough Noalox on it. I'll try putting electrical tape on the inside right of the body too to tighten it towards the bottle some. I already use tape on the batt to tighten it against the door some.

Thanks guyz!

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Always wondered why the part that touches the top of the battery is bent down so just a little bit of it touches teh battery, would it not be better for more of it to touch.

That's exactly how the first firing pins were and they did not work nearly as well as the new bent design.
That crazy guy Robert is always improving things ya know.
 
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