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That said, what I think would truly help would be getting the funds, resources and people to organize formal clinical trials related to the use of e-cigs, looking at both safety as well as use as a smoking cessation device.
Go to CASAA.ORG and help us get it done then!

If you are not familiar with them, read up and study.
They are us, and we are them, and they are the best of the best of us.

I have given over $300 to help in this cause.
And a study just as you suggested is being funded as we speak.
 
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stealth vape for free man, since there's so many juice available it's hard for them to all get banned, how do you guys think the ban will start?

Isn't the point we are trying to make that we don't want vaping to be outlawed and force us to go further underground and make us feel like social outcasts again?

How many vapers think that we should just be quiet and vape in private?

I personally don't want PVing to be banned or illegal and will do what I can to intervene at every opportunity...

Cheers...
 
That's really generous of you DC2 and we definitely need more of the Vaping community to put some of the savings from not smoking tobacco towards the current and future development of our PV's, but as my original post suggests and what this thread is about is building into the sale prices of Juices and hardware a small donation/contribution to organisations such as CASAA.ORG to make sure of it's/their continuation.

The question is how do we go about implementing it into the buying process and getting an approval and member system in place?

Is there anyone from CASAA.ORG reading this thread that can put forth any suggestions?
 

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That's really generous of you DC2 and we definitely need more of the Vaping community to put some of the savings from not smoking tobacco towards the current and future development of our PV's, but as my original post suggests and what this thread is about is building into the sale prices of Juices and hardware a small donation/contribution to organisations such as CASAA.ORG to make sure of it's/their continuation.

The question is how do we go about implementing it into the buying process and getting an approval and member system in place?

Is there anyone from CASAA.ORG reading this thread that can put forth any suggestions?
I don't want to discourage you, but telling someone that something won't happen is often a good way to see the cream rise to the top and make that thing happen.

So I'll tell you, it won't happen.

The vendors that support us are Mom and Pop shops for the most part.
And they really can't afford to put out the big bucks needed to fight our enemies.

We, as vapors, need to make these things reality for all smokers.
And we need to do it every day, as best we can.
In any way we can find to do so.
 

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The only way to build in a "tax" that goes towards the cause would be regulation. Doing this on "Good Faith" would end up having less than ethical sellers undercutting to steal sales.

You could use the forum as a way to register sellers that participate. Someone would have to report earnings and the CASAA would have to look through books to check for tax avoidance. I think the current solution of accepting donations from those who can afford it is a better option for now.

If they need mass funding might I suggest contacting the Chinese companies that produce the products. The US is a huge market, and paying for some tests to secure the ability to sell their products here would probably be in their best interest.
 

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Sorry DC2 if I seem to be repeating myself but I am not asking the mom and pop shops to pay tribute out of their profits but to work with or create a new organisation where the customers pay a small additional contribution when they buy their supplies...
My bad, as I didn't respond in fairness to your original point.

And I think it would be awesome if they would do so.
But I think these guys are barely hanging on for the most part.

And if the FDA screws us, then they are done, pretty much overnight.
 
Some great ideas J808!
Without regulation of some sort as we all know exists chaos IMO. So we need to bring it together in an organised way, surely we are capable...

We all know the quality suppliers and are aware of the poor quality suppliers and I think it is in our best interests to bring the poor quality suppliers up to par or put them on a blacklist, also getting the manufacturers to contribute financially to whatever organisation is worthy is a great way to spread the costs of doing trials etc...
 

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I donate a matching amount to CASAA after every vape order I make and have called the Savannah and Lowell Town Council members every other day for the last couple of weeks. Free nationwide calling is awesome! Keep calling the Lowell meeting is on Aug. 9th.

Unfortunately it comes as no shock that we have a bought and paid for congress. As vaping has gained popularity it becomes a larger threat to the powers that be. Demanding studies can work in your favor or or your demise. Although many are Mom and Pop shops, don't kid yourselves by thinking they are not making a sizable profit.

How many resellers and juice manufacturers proudly display CASAA on their websites? Why? I believe they see this as a David and Goliath scenario and most of our Davids will make their money while they can until a ban is passed. Most Davids realize that even if they pulled together and gave 10% of their bottomline for lobbyists, their funding would pale to bottomless pit of funding by Big Tobacco. It might be a fair fight if it weren't for the fact that the States and Feds also have an interest along with Big Pharma, the AMA, and the FDA. Any manufacturer that has it's own private army (ATF) is going to do anything possible to crush any opposition.

Bought and paid for? You tell me...

(Excerpt June 12, 2010) cbsnews.com

Meanwhile, as an anti-smoking bill passed in Congress moves to the president's desk, McClatchy Newspapers points out that some of the top recipients of campaign contributions from the tobacco industry were among the few Senators who voted against the bill, which passed 79 to 17 on Thursday.

Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) were among those named. Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.), the ranking Republican on the Senate Agriculture Committee, has received $228,700 from tobacco-related political action committees and individual contributions over the course of his career. The senators say the campaign contributions did not affect their votes, McClatchy reports.

"I voted against the FDA tobacco bill because I'm opposed to the overregulation of an industry that's already highly regulated, from farmer to manufacturer," Chambliss said. "The bill saddles the already overburdened FDA with even more oversight duties, and does nothing to reduce the rate of smoking among Americans — cigarettes already on the shelves will remain on the market."

Of course, if you think Saxby Chambliss gives a rats azz about reducing the rate of smoking I have a couple of bridges I will sell you for cheap.

That being said, I am stocking-up on batts, carts, cartos, and lots of juice while donating to the cause. The sad part of this is that the more successful people become from switching away from analogs to vaping, the more pressure Big Tobacco et. al will place on politicians via lobbying.

Recently Josh Harris of Deadliest Catch was using a E-Cig on Leno which probably has sent alarms off throughout the analog industry.
 
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I'm thinking each supplier should clearly post or have a special page just for the local senators and mayors, legislators, etc, including contact info and what bills they voted for or against in regards to e cigs. This information being clearly posted, along with those politicians knowing it will be posted and tracked, will make it known clear and concise that when they vote, they better choose wisely, because next election, I'm voting as well:)
 
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