For awhile I would still smoke a few a day and I had a coworker say 'whats the point if you're still smoking' and "you're just replacing one addiction for the other" I looked at him and said "i smoke 3 cigs a day vs a pack.... thats the point" Why that was hard to grasp ill never know. I guess I should thank him. I got so tired of hearing him I did drop the smokes all together. On a different note I try to remember there was a time where I didn't know about vaping, which was not that long ago. In truth if I had seen someone with the gear I use now I would prob assume drugs or like many others thought "what carcinogen is in that..." Back then I also thought blu and njoy were the only options. Point being we were all uneducated once. We can share knowledge nicely, like a jerk, or keep to ourselves.
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Yeah, that is very true. I have a few lady friends that are all over my PV when I whip it out after having a few drinks. They don't care what other people say about it being 'bad', but that is probably due to them being pretty bad themselves
Yeah, that is very true. I have a few lady friends that are all over my PV when I whip it out after having a few drinks. They don't care what other people say about it being 'bad', but that is probably due to them being pretty bad themselves
Ha! This is so true. I was vaping ahlusion's pineapple usd cake and so many females came up to me asking what that delicious smell was. My wife wasn't thrilled about that.
Get rid of her then
Just kidding of course....I am sure your wife loves talking about your PV when you whip it out
The other day I got "you know thats got antifreeze in it?"
That's the point where my hair lights on fire and my fist connects with their face!
Get rid of her then
Just kidding of course....I am sure your wife loves talking about your PV when you whip it out
You beat me to the joke. Well played Sir.
The best thing is to carry around 2 pictures. One of yourself enjoying life in general....smiling OFC, the other of a casket. " Here I am on the beach in Hawaii"....."this must be a picture of you taking a nap"!?....Then I would say, "we know tobacco is going to kill us, but no one has died from E cigs so far, " I will take my chances on the uncertain over the certainty!" 
The best thing is to carry around 2 pictures. One of yourself enjoying life in general....smiling OFC, the other of a casket. " Here I am on the beach in Hawaii"....."this must be a picture of you taking a nap"!?....Then I would say, "we know tobacco is going to kill us, but no one has died from E cigs so far, " I will take my chances on the uncertain over the certainty!"
But what about the anti-freeze in it? I kid I kid.
My lady friends tell me my PV is too big to carry around and that they prefer the smaller, less productive ones. I don't believe them....I know deep DEEP down inside them, they truly do like it
Again refer to the picture of you in Hawaii and say "see and I am not sweating either, cool as can be"
That said, the real answer would be to say "we know anti freeze kills and in not to long a time frame, if we are vaping AF you would have heard of thousands of deaths already"!
The stuff they started to use as anti-freeze because it doesn't kill stuff and/or the environment? That is also used as a carrier for injectable medicine because it's deemed safe to pump directly into your blood stream? The stuff found in virtually any skin care product? You rub it on your skin. It's gone. Where'd it go? The stuff commonly used as an additive... in the very cigarettes you are smoking right now?
(I know you were kidding... just couldn't help venting a little
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The stuff they started to use as anti-freeze because it doesn't kill stuff and/or the environment? That is also used as a carrier for injectable medicine because it's deemed safe to pump directly into your blood stream? The stuff found in virtually any skin care product? You rub it on your skin. It's gone. Where'd it go? The stuff commonly used as an additive... in the very cigarettes you are smoking right now?
(I know you were kidding... just couldn't help venting a little
Exactly that stuff, but very few non-vapers feel the need to research these things. I know if I wasn't a vaper I wouldn't know any of this, but I also wouldn't go around spewing out garbage I had no idea about. That is what we need to put an end to, although I honestly don't think we ever will.
I take the view that when a smoker says this kind of thing they are being defensive of their own habit. This does not require any knowledge at all about vaping, just accusations and claims, with nothing to back them up. They are betting you can't defend yourself, and after all it's not the truth that matters, it's the severity of the accusation, so they hype it as much as they can, while standing there puffing on 4000 chemicals and carcinogens.
I am really sickened by the sharp increase in the negative, mass conditioning of non-vapers with regards to electronic cigarettes .. but that is precisely what the government intended to accomplish. Step one, vilify electronic cigarettes through false propaganda spread in the media, Step two of the plan will be to "redeem" e cigs, of course under the control and regulation of the FDA.
I have always been genuinely shocked by the number of "adult" beings who truly believe everything they "hear", and then will vehemently repeat it as though it is what they know as the result of direct experience. Brain washing on this planet is embarrassingly easy ... unfortunately.
I have always been genuinely shocked by the number of "adult" beings who truly believe everything they "hear", and then will vehemently repeat it as though it is what they know as the result of direct experience. Brain washing on this planet is embarrassingly easy ... unfortunately.
If you were having a private conversation with your friend and this woman piped up and gave her opinion without being brought into the conversation is a blatant disrespectful act of rudeness.
How often do you pitch into other people's conversations if you happen to be near two people talking? On the other hand, she showed her lack of manners by jumping in with an attack on your veracity and you handled it with tact and decorum by trying to explain to her about vaping in a civilized manner. Next time you see her, she may even have some curiosity to know more about ecigs.
I think you handled it just fine.
BTW, I've been vaping for more than 2 years now after 45 years of smoking and when I enter the bathroom before I turn the light on I don't see a radioactive halo in the mirror. I sleep like a baby all night long, don't fidget around throughout the night, and don't need to use a CPap machine any longer. The Diacetyl issue has been around since I signed on to this forum and I make sure when I order eliquid that none of the vendors use flavors with it. You can steer clear of buttery flavors, creamy flavors, etc. I've ordered diy flavors from Flavor Art and they clearly label their concentrated flavors which contain diacetyl. I don't inhale into my lungs, I inhale into my mouth and then blow the vapor out my nose (that is the way the nicotine is absorbed with vaping). All the ingredients in vapor are used in baking such as pg, vg, (these are used in icings) and whatever other flavor you like. When you bake a cake you are inhaling into your lungs the same ingredients in the ejuice as if you vape directly into your lungs. As far as I'm concerned it's a non-issue.
How often do you pitch into other people's conversations if you happen to be near two people talking? On the other hand, she showed her lack of manners by jumping in with an attack on your veracity and you handled it with tact and decorum by trying to explain to her about vaping in a civilized manner. Next time you see her, she may even have some curiosity to know more about ecigs.
I think you handled it just fine.
BTW, I've been vaping for more than 2 years now after 45 years of smoking and when I enter the bathroom before I turn the light on I don't see a radioactive halo in the mirror. I sleep like a baby all night long, don't fidget around throughout the night, and don't need to use a CPap machine any longer. The Diacetyl issue has been around since I signed on to this forum and I make sure when I order eliquid that none of the vendors use flavors with it. You can steer clear of buttery flavors, creamy flavors, etc. I've ordered diy flavors from Flavor Art and they clearly label their concentrated flavors which contain diacetyl. I don't inhale into my lungs, I inhale into my mouth and then blow the vapor out my nose (that is the way the nicotine is absorbed with vaping). All the ingredients in vapor are used in baking such as pg, vg, (these are used in icings) and whatever other flavor you like. When you bake a cake you are inhaling into your lungs the same ingredients in the ejuice as if you vape directly into your lungs. As far as I'm concerned it's a non-issue.
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Yes, and it's spreading really fast, even here on ECF, where there are some who are quite obviously not on our side, and are here for that purpose.
The worst was this one guy on YouTube that said to me after a few comments going back and forth "well the FDA is trying to ban ecigs and they are obviously doing it for a reason"....yeah bud, the government is banning something so there must be a reason, but it sure as hell isn't to benefit the general public. I'm sure Nazi Germany would love to have you in their fine country...you'd fit right in....
I just tell them how I rode my bike 5 miles up hills, then kayaked around the lake this weekend.
Ohh and I dont smell like a dirty ashtray.
Ohh and I dont smell like a dirty ashtray.
I have the same thing happen, and respond the same. It always amazes people to learn that they have been breathing and ingesting and getting meds with this stuff their whole lives
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