They used to argue that the world was flat too. Some people are so opinionated nothing will change their minds
I just don't get it
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They used to argue that the world was flat too. Some people are so opinionated nothing will change their minds
Just now I met an older woman with an ego650 and ce4 and she told me she quit smoking because the deer could smell the cig smoke on her. Yea I live in the woods.. Lol
This is the best argument to give to smokers. They all know it is slowly killing them. Just let them know how much healthier and cleaner you feel.
Just ask people how winded they feel walking or anything else,then tell them how great you now feel!
Well... first off... people, don't become a snob just because you stopped smoking cigarettes.
Then, while I do believe it can't be worse than cigarettes, I don't think it's harmless. It's true that not enough research has been done. And no, we don't know exactly how many chemicals are in that vapor. Do you know, exactly, what chemicals are produced by heating and vaporizing PG ? what about VG ? Do you know how pure these two ingredients are in each and every juice you vape ? And they're not the most mysterious. What about flavors ? Do you know what flavors your vendors uses, and if you do, do you know what's in them ? Do you know what becomes of them when they're heated and vaporized ?
I don't. So yeah, it probably can't be worse than cigarettes, and yes, I'm taking that risk. But I'm not burying my head in the sand either. As long as I don't know for sure, I'll consider it the lesser of two evils. Remember how cigarettes were marketed as totally healthy, and thought of as being harmless, 50 years ago.
We won't know for sure until a few generations of vapers have gone by.
Smokers (some of them) and anti-vaping people are reading stuff and quoting whatever they read without questioning it. They believe whatever they're being told by those who have interest in it. Don't do the same mistake on the other end of the spectrum.
Speaking of scientific studies. What are the ones saying that vaping is harmless ? What are our sources ?
/rant over. You can bash me now.
Then, while I do believe it can't be worse than cigarettes, I don't think it's harmless. It's true that not enough research has been done. And no, we don't know exactly how many chemicals are in that vapor. Do you know, exactly, what chemicals are produced by heating and vaporizing PG ? what about VG ? Do you know how pure these two ingredients are in each and every juice you vape ? And they're not the most mysterious. What about flavors ? Do you know what flavors your vendors uses, and if you do, do you know what's in them ? Do you know what becomes of them when they're heated and vaporized ?
I don't. So yeah, it probably can't be worse than cigarettes, and yes, I'm taking that risk. But I'm not burying my head in the sand either. As long as I don't know for sure, I'll consider it the lesser of two evils. Remember how cigarettes were marketed as totally healthy, and thought of as being harmless, 50 years ago.
We won't know for sure until a few generations of vapers have gone by.
Smokers (some of them) and anti-vaping people are reading stuff and quoting whatever they read without questioning it. They believe whatever they're being told by those who have interest in it. Don't do the same mistake on the other end of the spectrum.
Speaking of scientific studies. What are the ones saying that vaping is harmless ? What are our sources ?
/rant over. You can bash me now.
Yeah. My point is that we don't really know what are the long-term effects of inhaling these products at the dose we're inhaling them. VG and PG are one thing, but the flavors ? If you know, please enlighten me ?
What I'm saying is, if we want to be credible, we should be careful not doing the same thing as non-vapers do, and cut corners.
Yes, I did laugh a bit when she said that, but I tried to keep a straight face. It just amazes me that people will say "oh what if it does this or that to you" and continue smoking as if they don't know that it astronomically increases your chances of getting sick. Some people
IMHO that was your mistake. You should have laughed hysterically!
I don't know if you have children (It's a great learning experience, which I highly recommend!). But when people take stupid attitudes toward me, I've found that the best way to deal with them is as a parent, dealing with a child. Be kind and patient, and don't react to what they say.
"I would never use those" - "Never is a long time, do you really mean that?"
"There are thousands of chemicals in those" - "There are thousands of chemicals in you, too! I wish you would do something better for your body than smoking cigarettes, that's really bad for you"
Treat a BS statement as something a child would say, and respond the way you would respond to a child.
Classic Saul Alinski tactics.
I also have a coworker that believes himself intelligent that has spouted the anti-freeze thing recently to me. Explaining did no good. He also believes all manner of environmental catastrophes are at had due to my warming the planet so it's pretty much a lost cause. I do in fact pity the unknowing ignorance in so many people.
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I am really enjoying reading all of your posts. It's great to get different opinions on how to deal with criticism.
Also, someone mentioned working out. I do in fact work out 5-6 days a week and have for over two years. Since I started vaping I'm running almost 4 miles in the time I used to run 3. I feel better during and after workouts, and I get sick a lot less. When I tell people that it really gets their attention.
Also, someone mentioned working out. I do in fact work out 5-6 days a week and have for over two years. Since I started vaping I'm running almost 4 miles in the time I used to run 3. I feel better during and after workouts, and I get sick a lot less. When I tell people that it really gets their attention.
And this is what happens when you let your politics & ideology get in the way of the reality & facts.
You will not find any main stream media MORE POSITIVE regarding vaping, and challenging of the ANTZ crap than Fox.
In order to minimize any disruption to this thread, I'll simply encourage you to visit the media & general news forum and leave it at that ...
I don't believe anyone has said that vaping is harmless, or at least no one in this thread has; it's called reading comprehension and common sense. Nothing inhaled is harmless for you, except for fresh air on top of a mountain, far away from any city.
Also, no one here is bashing smokers for smoking, we are simple saying that people who smoke tend to be less open to vaping, and more open to reasons for avoiding it. It's part of the 'justifying their smoking' being discussed here. I have commented in the past on multiple threads that dual using is something that is not a problem in my eyes, and also smoking is not something I look down on. I only have issues with people who believe anything they here and go out repeating ignorant claims without doing research first. We were all smokers at one point, and I absolutely do not, nor will I ever, look down on someone for smoking. We all make mistakes; it's part of life, and almost everyone here made the mistake of smoking their first cigarette. We are no better than any other smoker out there right now, but we are better than brain-washed fools.
I would be wide open to any new studies that show harm from vaping. I have said this many times, to both non-smokers and current smokers, even if vaping is just 1% less harmful than smoking, I would be fine with that. More than likely, it is much better than 1% less harmful, so I don't worry about it.
Thus the reason why we all have stopped purchasing from places that have diacteyl in there liquids.
Sure, that's true if you want to be overly literal about that statement. I view it as a simple mistake in the terminology that is supposed to be used. Replace the word "chemicals" with the word "ingredients" and you have a true statement (in most scenarios)...
Pg is a carrier for medications in inhalers.
I just want to point out that people use all kinds of chemicals to clean their homes and inhale them. Not to mention scented candles and air fresheners .. Yet no one seems concerned about inhaling those things.
I would also like to point out that although 50 years ago there was a population of society claiming the cigarettes where good for you.
Not all physicians agreed with that.
I contend that 50 years ago the chemicals that are NOW in cigs to make them even more addicting were not in them.
Furthermore, even if the same chemicals were in them people who used them HAD to have felt the negative effects despite what they were told.
In case no one has noticed almost all people who have given up cigs and started vaping report much improved health.
Many no longer need to depend on medications to counteract the effects of smoking. That in and of itself says it all.
I gave up. When a smoker says something like "those things cause cancer", I point to their cigarette and say "At least I won't stink on the way out".
Other than the nicotine, there isn't anything you're inhaling that can't be inhaled when you're brewing a pot of coffee or baking/cooking in the kitchen.
Ignorance is bliss.
Ignorance is bliss.
I love this line lol
So the person doesn't know of any research and, because of this, cancer will result hehe. It's a shame people do not do some fact-finding of their own before making silly statements.
It's scary to think these people can vote. :-(
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