i need an e-juice "pharmasist/dr"

[pwrstrk02]

i am 36 yrs old, i have been smoking for 23 yrs (started in 6th grade), 1 - 1.25 pck/day, marlboro ultralight 100's. i chewed about 1 can of chew or 1 pouch of plug per week. at times i would chew and smoke. i havnt had a nicotine high since i was in middle school. i am healthy, i drink plenty of water. while i was smoking cigs, i would wake up, chain smoke about 10-12 cigs along with 6 cups of coffee, and then the rest of the day it was about one smoke per hour. i have been cig free since 08-21-10 (15 days now). i am using FSUSA for my liquids paired with an EGO with a 510LR atty. 24-30mg of nicotine. i have have yet to have a problem with their juices. i liked the ry4 30mg that they sent me in a sample, so i bought 30ml of it, i bought 30ml ry5 30mg, and 10ml american spirit 30mg, all ml's are besides the point. THE LAST FOUR DAYS, i have been getting frequent headaches, flue like symptoms, sweats, and lastnight i didnt sleep worth a ...... the headaches are hard to judge, it seems like mabey im vapeing too much, but my body says i need another hit. i am using aprox 55 drops per day, or about 1.5 ml's. i am using both the 30mg and 24 mg.

so for the wanabe pharmasists;
do i need to change the mg's of my juices? do i need to use a different kind of juice, ie. vg/pg. i do not know what the mixture of FSUSA juices are.

for the wanabe dr's;
am i having withdraws, or am i having continous overdoses?

please help, i do not want to quit. i loved smoking, but i dont want to go back. but i dont like the headaches either.​

 

[cozzicon]

i am 36 yrs old, i have been smoking for 23 yrs (started in 6th grade), 1 - 1.25 pck/day, marlboro ultralight 100's. i chewed about 1 can of chew or 1 pouch of plug per week. at times i would chew and smoke. i havnt had a nicotine high since i was in middle school. i am healthy, i drink plenty of water. while i was smoking cigs, i would wake up, chain smoke about 10-12 cigs along with 6 cups of coffee, and then the rest of the day it was about one smoke per hour. i have been cig free since 08-21-10 (15 days now). i am using FSUSA for my liquids paired with an EGO with a 510LR atty. 24-30mg of nicotine. i have have yet to have a problem with their juices. i liked the ry4 30mg that they sent me in a sample, so i bought 30ml of it, i bought 30ml ry5 30mg, and 10ml american spirit 30mg, all ml's are besides the point. THE LAST FOUR DAYS, i have been getting frequent headaches, flue like symptoms, sweats, and lastnight i didnt sleep worth a ...... the headaches are hard to judge, it seems like mabey im vapeing too much, but my body says i need another hit. i am using aprox 55 drops per day, or about 1.5 ml's. i am using both the 30mg and 24 mg.

so for the wanabe pharmasists;
do i need to change the mg's of my juices? do i need to use a different kind of juice, ie. vg/pg. i do not know what the mixture of FSUSA juices are.

for the wanabe dr's;
am i having withdraws, or am i having continous overdoses?

please help, i do not want to quit. i loved smoking, but i dont want to go back. but i dont like the headaches either.​

Hey bro,

Ok... we've all been through some funky withdrawal.

First off remember that nicotine is not the only addictive substance in cigarettes. So you may be coming off that. Second, you are no longer getting any of the 4000 poisonous chemical found in tobacco.

Now- you will be detoxing from a lot of garbage that was in your system. And your lungs will clear.

My first week I had insomnia (worse than usual), night sweats, and general irritability. It passed in a few days and I then stopped snoring and started sleeping better (really).

I'm not a medical professional- if this seems like something that gets worse or doesn;t go away maybe a trip to the doctor is in order.

But based on my personal experience coming off cigs... this is not unusual.

Although the headache coudl be too high a nic dose.

 

[Nikhil]

Those are all symptoms of nicotine overdose and generally not the reactions related to PG or VG. I'm no wannabe doctor, but since nobody has responded I figured I'd warn that you reduce the mg of your liquid (particularly the liquid you chain vape in the morning), or vape less. Since you chain smoked in the morning you probably are trying to replicate it to some extent, and that will likely get you too much nicotine with vaping. LR atomizers also vaporize liquid faster than regular ones.

Also, most people who would respond here are not doctors, so you might want to see a real one just in case.

Keep us updated!

EDIT: And then cozzicon responded. -.-

 

[pwrstrk02]

of course im not looking for a real dr. they would tell me " well you big dummy, why dont you just quit?" .. and keep in mind that this has only been happening for the last four days, the previous 11 were fine, i could tell when i was getting too much nicotine. i plan on lowering my mg's to 18mg. what is the mg's in ultralight 100's? anyone know? i just looked it up. (0.5 mg nicotine. 6.0mg tar.) well no wonder. for some reason i thought they were 18mg. so would i be better off going to the 8mg's or 12mg's? i dont think they make them lower.

 

[cozzicon]

of course im not looking for a real dr. they would tell me " well you big dummy, why dont you just quit?" .. and keep in mind that this has only been happening for the last four days, the previous 11 were fine, i could tell when i was getting too much nicotine. i plan on lowering my mg's to 18mg. what is the mg's in ultralight 100's? anyone know? i just looked it up. (0.5 mg nicotine. 6.0mg tar.) well no wonder. for some reason i thought they were 18mg. so would i be better off going to the 8mg's or 12mg's? i dont think they make them lower.

I was a 3 pack a day Newport Light smoker. I use 18mg... 24mg turns me green.

 

[ckc]

Sounds to me like withdrawals, people will go through them at their own pace, i went through basically what Cozzi wrote. I started on 36mg but dropped down to 24mg. Just try a lower Nic,from what i've read you smoked probably the 18mg knowing that you still might have a niggly craving but it will go after a couple of days.Most people will vape what they need, just put it down on occasions One thing.....have you cut your caffeine intake down?

 

[DaDuke]

Also dont forget that a cig gives you a large dose of nic and then it dissapates over time and then you spike your blood nic level again with another cig. I smoked 1.5 packs per day of m-reds for 30+ years and what i found works best for me (after a bout of headaches) is to vape low nic juice and then occasionally vape a a few drops of 30-36mg when a cig craving really hits. I imagine that this emulates the blood / nic level changes caused by normal smoking more accurately and still allows me to vape constantly to eleviate the fiddle factor part of the addiction.

 

[stacym]

Daduke - I like that you addressed the "fiddle factor" component of cigarette addiction. I think that's one of the reasons Chantix and patches didn't work for me very well - or they worked but I always went back to smoking. I seem to have a tactile need as well. E-cigs and all the fiddling to get the perfect vape is actually therapeutic. There's also the research component that is useful. Normally I get depressed and lethargic when I quit smoking - and just don't care to do much of anything. With vaping there's so much to learn about - from the right model, the perfect juice, and then there's all the DIY options to play with.

 

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

maybe a trip to the doctor is in order...most people who would respond here are not doctors, so you might want to see a real one just in case

And Ditto makes three.

If, afterall, you're having "flu-like symptoms," let's not toss out the possibility that you're coming down with a flu--especially given that your symptoms didn't make themselves known until 10 days after your last analog.

Another imponderable to consider is this: Study: 'Electronic cigarettes' don't deliver - CNN. If Eissenberg's study--much bashed around here, not without cause--has any validity, you needn't reduce the level of nicotine in your e-juice, because none of it is being delivered.

Personally, I hope the FDA presents Eissenberg as a witness later this month; I'd like a judge to attempt entanglement of the argument that PVs are ineffective, do not deliver measureable doses of nicotine--and hence must be identified as drug-delivery devices and regulated as such. But I digress.

My own anecdotal case may not be typical, but I smoked for better than three decades, topping out at just short of two packs-a-day. I've had no ill effects, no anxiety, sleeplessness, headaches. It's nothing short of #*&%ing miraculous, considering I didn't want to quit. I loved smoking, but was pushed into a financial corner by de facto prohibition, i.e., taxation.

Perhaps it's for that reason that I'm looking at your case and looking elsewhere than nicotine-deprivation for a cause. You ought to at least consider it, that a doctor might tell you something you don't want to hear notwithstanding.

Whatever you do, don't look back to analogs. You've come this far...

 

[Shotline]

I am not a doctor, but I did stay at a holiday inn express last night. In my professional opinion it is either nicotine overdose or withdrawls for cigarettes.







LOL

 

[SimpleSins]

You could maybe try vaping with a non-LR atomizer and see if that makes a difference. I used the LR atomizers and cartomizers over a 3-day period and it did help me get over the hump and quit the last two cigarettes/day I couldn't drop, but at the end of that three days, I was feeling as though I'd chain smoked four packs. I was a little tight in the chest and felt a little achy. I don't know if the LR, by benefit of the increased vapor they produce, kick more nicotine into the system or not, but I can't use the high voltage for anything more than a few hits periodically.

 

[mokeyjoe]

I've smoked for 12 years, between 15 and 30 a day. I never feel any 'buzz' from cigarettes, and never have from when I started. But I do from vaping, and this is only from 18mg.

There are various chemicals in cigarettes which 'enhance' the uptake of nicotine, such as formaldehyde and ammonia. There is carbon monoxide which gives a little 'high' of its own. There is also freebase nicotine (made from tobacco stems) which is more short-lived and potent than regular nicotine.

Basically speaking, a cigarette gives you a different hit. More potent, but less enduring. Vaping, on the other hand, releases it's nicotine more slowly, even though you are ultimately getting the same (or higher) concentration. Chain-vape and you are building up levels of nicotine in your body until you start getting negative symptoms.

My advice, which may be controversial, is that you shouldn't have gone cold turkey on the cigarettes. You're not getting the same hit and you're over-dosing on nicotine to compensate. You were smoking Ultralights! Now you're on very strong nicotine liquid. I moved off 20-30 Marlboro Reds a day onto rolling tobacco, and having had no perceivable nicotine 'buzz' in my life I do now from 5 mins vaping 18mg. But 15 days in it's not worth going back to them.

Halve your nic value if you want to keep vaping. In fact you're probably best off using an official NRT system like patches and vaping 0mg to deal with the psychological addiction. That way you won't be overdosing, your body will be weaned off nicotine and you'll have a replacement for the psychological addiction.

 

[Dale.s]

That sounds a lot like the withdrawal I went through, day 7 I got headaches 10-17 I was so sick it was just like flu, after that was over I never looked back, it defiantly can be rough for some people.

I'd also recommend you drop to 20 mg or so until you know what your body really needs, 30 with a lr Atty is one hell of hit, if you get a nic craving a few hits of the 30 should get you past it and you can use the lower nic rest of the time.

 

[Vidi]

I went through exactly this about two weeks into my vaping experience. At first I thought I was using too high a nic level ( at 36mg ) so I cut back on vaping and got some 0 nic pg to cut back my juice. I got jittery and had what felt like sinus headaches. I would wake up in a pool of sweat and I even got two canker sores in my mouth. I thought for sure it was vaping.

Then my wife and the good people on this forum explained what the withdrawal symptoms might be. The problem with that is overdose and withdrawal symptoms are so damn similar.

After several days, the symptoms went away and I was vaping more than ever. I believe now that it was withdrawal as I only cut my nic level for a day or so before I went right back to 36mg. Remember your body has been getting more than just nicotine from cigarettes. There's over 4,000 chemicals in cigarettes. Your body gets used to having those, even if the do nothing but hurt you. It will react to losing its daily dose of toxins. But once you get past it, you start to feel better again.

Oh and wait till your taste buds return in another week or so.

 

[justboringsarah]

I smoked ultralight 100s too. I've found that 18mg juice gives me way too much nicotine. I've cut down to 6mg,and 11mg in the mornings
Another thing are you drinking enough water,the PG and VG will dry you out,and dehydration can give you flu like symptoms too

 

[SuZamme]

I had similar symptoms as you have now.

What ended up working long-term for me was to have several pvs going with different juice at different nic levels. Eventually, the headaches, sleeplessness went away and I hit my stride as far as being very satisfied with vaping replacing the "act of smoking" and the balance of nic in my body.

I started at all 36mg juices and now find that I cut them with pg/vg and don't get the jitters at all from vaping all day.

I also getting different vaping experiences from the different combinations of PVs. 510's, Mini Vapestick, Mr. Puffer, 901's, DSE 905, 801's etc.

 

[tonyorion]

Concentration is only one part of the equation as far as nicotine is concerned; the other parts are the quantity of juice that one consumes in a day and the amount that is actually absorbed by the body.
At 1.5 ml with a juice concentration of 30 MG/ML, you would be inhaling 45 mg/day of nicotine. A pack of cigarettes contains anywhere between 10 and 40 MG of nicotine. I believe Marlboro Reds contain 24 MG/pack of cigarettes.
However, this is where the problem starts. Some studies claim that only 10% of the nicotine is ingested into the lungs from a normal cigarette because most of the nicotine is destroyed by heat. On the other hand, some studies also claim that 90% of the nicotine is absorbed by the body through vaping.
In other words, there are many unanswered questions regarding the actual absorption of nicotine from vaping. In my case for instance, I find myself not inhaling as deeply with an E cigarette. I find myself wanting to hold the flavor in my mouth. That is something I would never have done with an analog.
My own background is that of a chemical engineer with a Masters degree and many years of working for instrumentation manufacturer. A lot of the studies that I've seen leave far too many questions open.
In the end, one has to balance the craving for nicotine with what is reasonable. I also think that the goal would be to eventually reduce the nicotine content to zero. Nicotine is known to raise blood pressure. So, one way to see if you're taking in too much nicotine is to monitor your blood pressure; if your blood pressure is higher than normal, then you have to cutback your nicotine intake. A lot of pharmacies and supermarkets have blood pressure monitors the cost only a few dollars or are free of charge to use.