i need more throat hit. please help me.
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I happen to use nicotine, but do I realize it is not HARMLESS. It may not be deadly at these levels, but it is harmful just the same. It raises your blood pressure, causes your gums to recede, possibly hardens your arteries and a host of other issues. Why can't some of you die-hard nicotine-buffs come out of denial. You are blindly assuming the stuff is safe/harmless just because someone on the ECF said so.... With all that said, I still enjoy my vape.
You are confusing nicotine with smoking. Even so smokers have lower blood pressure.
How smoking affects blood pressure. [Blood Press. 1996] - PubMed - NCBI
No I am not. Here is a quote from the article:
"It has since long been known that blood pressure and heart rate increase during smoking. These effects are specifically associated with NICOTINE while the other components of which more than a thousand have been isolated seem to be of minor importance." (Capitals are mine.)
Next time please read the article more carefully before using it as a means to prove your agenda....
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Speaking of posting history --
It makes sense to glance to the left and see WHO it is that one is responding to and how LONG he/she has been around. WV has been around almost 5 years! There is NO reason for him to remain a regular contributor to these boards but he does because he CHOOSES to help those who have less experience than he does. I've seen hoards of people leave this forum, knowledgeable people that have simply moved on.
In those 5 years that he is a member, don't you think that he has researched the effects of nicotine from numerous angles, especially when he is providing links to references while others just shoot from the hip? Don't you think that his ire gets raised when he reads for the billionth time that 'nicotine is an insecticide'. I know it bothers the hell out of me. Nic constricts blood vessels. Insects dont have blood vessels, ergo, they die when they come in contact with minute amounts.
Anyway... to steer this back on topic... there is nothing out there THAT WE KNOW OF YET that mimics the TH of nicotine. The individual that discovers some natural herb that does will forever be a hero to all of us. Because when/if that happens there will be NO TIE to vaping and tobacco no matter how the ANTZ try to spin it. JMHO....
Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all.
It makes sense to glance to the left and see WHO it is that one is responding to and how LONG he/she has been around. WV has been around almost 5 years! There is NO reason for him to remain a regular contributor to these boards but he does because he CHOOSES to help those who have less experience than he does. I've seen hoards of people leave this forum, knowledgeable people that have simply moved on.
In those 5 years that he is a member, don't you think that he has researched the effects of nicotine from numerous angles, especially when he is providing links to references while others just shoot from the hip? Don't you think that his ire gets raised when he reads for the billionth time that 'nicotine is an insecticide'. I know it bothers the hell out of me. Nic constricts blood vessels. Insects dont have blood vessels, ergo, they die when they come in contact with minute amounts.
Anyway... to steer this back on topic... there is nothing out there THAT WE KNOW OF YET that mimics the TH of nicotine. The individual that discovers some natural herb that does will forever be a hero to all of us. Because when/if that happens there will be NO TIE to vaping and tobacco no matter how the ANTZ try to spin it. JMHO....
Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all.
I am skeptical of anyone on ECF who claims nicotine is just fine. Some of them have a vested interest in selling vaping products. It's a pocket book issue.... Happy Holidays everyone.
Nicotine temporarily increases the heartbeat and raises blood pressure. So does a brisk walk. People whose lives would be threatened by vigorous walk should not be using nicotine.
From the article;
Several large studies have shown the same. While some smaller studies have shown higher blood pressure in smokers. So have studies in rats. I give more weight to the larger studies because they do better at taking out such factors as obesity and age.
I don't know of any evidence of any kind of dental problems. Those come from tobacco.
There is no evidence of any cardiovascular disease from nicotine in people.
I said in people because there is a study on a cellular level that may implicate nicotine. There is another older study that some of the metabolites of nicotine may interfere with some cellular processes and drugs. At this time we don't if these things happen in the body.
Almost every thing we know about the health effects of nicotine come from smoking. We also know that there are thousands of other chemicals in tobacco and even more are created during combustion. The other chemicals may have been isolated but not many studies without them have been done. One of the things we have learned is that hardening of the arteries needs the extra CO and CO2 from smoking to happen.
There have been a number of studies with Sweedish Snus. Below are a some of the things we learned compared to smoking. Remember it is still tobacco but without the combustion
I'll let our readers draw their own conclusions;
Oral lesions - Swedish Match
Cardiovascular disease - Swedish Match
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Here is an article about the connection between nicotine and gum disease.
Nicotine and periodontal tissues
I found it using a simple search on Google, something you could have done before proclaiming " I have yet to see any such study" blah blah blah.... It just shows your bias when you create facts to fit your view point. A case in point is where you ignored the first part of your own reference article mentioning the dangers of Nic, and jumped to the last part consistent with your view point. Studies involve statistics with large margins of error, so that could possibly explain the discrepancy.
There is no arguing with some of you nic-heads, so I give up. Good luck and happy holidays
Nicotine and periodontal tissues
I found it using a simple search on Google, something you could have done before proclaiming " I have yet to see any such study" blah blah blah.... It just shows your bias when you create facts to fit your view point. A case in point is where you ignored the first part of your own reference article mentioning the dangers of Nic, and jumped to the last part consistent with your view point. Studies involve statistics with large margins of error, so that could possibly explain the discrepancy.
There is no arguing with some of you nic-heads, so I give up. Good luck and happy holidays
You should read what I said about nicotine temporarily raising blood pressure. I don't think i ignored anything.
From your article;
Like I said the evidence isn't there. Smokeless tobacco does contain nicotine and it is a far cry from nicotine by itself.
What it boils down to is that we are going to be the guinea pigs that eventually will tell whether or not or how harmful nicotine is to our health. There are no definitive studies either way because there has never been a large enough population of people who use nicotine without tobacco.
A vigorous walk can be bad for someone with high blood pressure it will also produce metabolites that would kill us if the body couldn't get rid of them. Yet people don't say it harmful because the overall effect is good for most us.
in the same way I can't say nicotine is harmful because there is a lack of evidence that it will shorten our lives or cause suffering. None of this means that it is good for us and it may be that eventually we will find that it is not. Just as we did with smoking
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I read somewhere on ECF that coconut flavoring increases TH. That was months ago so I have no idea who said it. But, might give it a try.
I do agree with a couple 3 more mg can give that edge you need. Just take a few puffs less because your more satisfied. 100% completely the atty makes a world of difference...
Oh and yeah enough bickering about safety.. I don't recall the op even bringing that up. What is your reason for not raising nic are you trying to ween off nic?
At least now you are beginning to admit there might be some harm to nic. But you want 100% proof; 99% won't do.
BTW I have read many juice reviews and find that peach flavoring enhances TH. Have tried it myself, and it does add a kick.
I think people just want to justify their new hobby and hear that it is completely safe as to hear otherwise would be devastating. It's a lot like iphone vs droid fan boys justifying their purchase. I think its to early to safe vaping is totally safe. I think we can easily say its safer and healthier than smoking but to say its just as healthy as drinking caffeine is crazy. There just have not been enough long term studies yet. I am sure many have started but it takes time. People have been drinking caffeine for hundreds if not thousands of years. People have been vaping for about 10 years.
White vinegar.
Add a couple of drops of white vinegar to 10ml of juice. It'll hit like a hammer, yet won't have a vinegar-y taste. If a couple of drops don't do it, add more until desired throat hit achieved.
Add a couple of drops of white vinegar to 10ml of juice. It'll hit like a hammer, yet won't have a vinegar-y taste. If a couple of drops don't do it, add more until desired throat hit achieved.
Thanks 86, I've heard a lot of using vinegar for different things, especially tobacco mixes. Didn't realize it would increase th , will have to give it a try.
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