i need more throat hit. please help me.

[wv2win]

Using it indefinitely is not a problem because the "FDA" says so? The FDA approved Vioxx, a drug that single-handedly killed over 50,000 people.

Give me a break - nicotine is a HIGHLY addictive poison (that was a commonly used insecticide up through the 1980's). Handling even a 10% solution improperly will easily kill a human. Just because one inhales 'diluted levels' doesn't make it harmless.

Do a search on 'effects of nicotine' to educate oneself further. And yep, there are some side-effects listed as 'benefits'...just the same as other harmful stimulants & drugs that affect one's brain chemistry.

Our opinion? Telling others that nicotine 'at diluted levels' is not inherently harmful and 'not a problem', is not only a lie - it's irresponsible and has the potential to harm anyone that believes it.

Please stop with the ANTZ's scare tactics. Millions of vapers world wide for the last 5+ years and not one death from vaping. Not even a reported illness. Caffeine is also a dangerous insecticide. Should we all drink only decaf coffee and tea. Since your comments are right out of the ANTZ's playbook, your purpose on ECF is suspect. Here is just one of the more current reports on nicotine:

Sleuthing Toxicologist Shows Nicotine Isn't As Deadly As We Think - Forbes

Nicotine is an essential treatment in many disorders such as schizophrenia, bi-polar and alzheimer's to name several. I guess we should just tell people with these issues "just live with it".

And neither I or anyone else in this thread told the OP to be irresponsible. Suggesting that they try a step-up to 24mg (2.4%) nicotine eliquid is not being irresponsible. If I had suggested they drink the eliquid or bathe in it, that would be irresponsible. Your trying to paint me as doing so is just plain ANTZ's BS.

 

[wv2win]

Absurd statement....

Typical ANTZ's comment.

 

[we2rcool]

Please stop with the ANTZ's scare tactics. Millions of vapers world wide for the last 5+ years and not one death from vaping. Not even a reported illness. Caffeine is also a dangerous insecticide. Should we all drink only decaf coffee and tea. Since your comments are right out of the ANTZ's playbook, your purpose on ECF is suspect. Here is just one of the more current reports on nicotine:

Sleuthing Toxicologist Shows Nicotine Isn't As Deadly As We Think - Forbes

Nicotine is an essential treatment in many disorders such as schizophrenia, bi-polar and alzheimer's to name several. I guess we should just tell people with these issues "just live with it".

And neither I or anyone else in this thread told the OP to be irresponsible. Suggesting that they try a step-up to 24mg (2.4%) nicotine eliquid is not being irresponsible. Your trying to paint me as doing so is just plain ANTZ's BS.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion about the dangers of nicotine, just as we are entitled to disagree with your opinion. But you are not entitled to accuse us (rudely) of falsehoods. We don't even know what ANTZ is. Our purpose on ECF is clearly revealed in our posts. We learn, and we share what we've learned to assist others to create satisfying e-liquids.

The dangers & adverse effects of nicotine are well documented, no matter how it may be used to reduce disease symptoms.

 

[Traver]

The dangers & adverse effects of nicotine are well documented, no matter how it may be used to reduce disease symptoms.

If you mean the dangers of nicotine at the levels we are using it are well documented I would like to see some references. At high concentrations it is definitely a poison.

There is an abundance of literature on the dangers of smoking but I have yet to see any studies that show nicotine is dangerous by itself at the levels we are using it. It causes heart disease with cigarettes in combination with elevated levels of carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide. However Swedish Snus has been extensively studied and no relation to heart disease has been found.

 

[Exchaner]

I am beginning to think to some people, nicotine is like a religion or a cult. They believe blindly, and get easily offended by the slightest contra-opinion. To educate yourself on the subject, start with a simple search on: nicotine+gum disease..... You will have some new revelations.

 

[JeremyR]

Try nicotine from My Freedom Smokes. It has a bigger TH than any other brand.

Not any more! I just. Ordered. Some for that specific. Reason . Was on preorder and. Found Out i got first dibs on thier new process nic. Hardly any. Th ! And I got 250. Ml largest. Bottle it ever ordered. Not good.

But. The key. Is the nic. The kind were looking For is said to have. A peppery note and. Stronger th.

there is a nic comparison thread. But beware mfs has changed !

 

[Exchaner]

I just got their new version also. I agree the peppery note is gone, but strangely enough, I find the TH to be same. Go figure.... BTW, I let mine steep 10 days. Could that make a difference? I doubt it, but maybe you could report back.

 

[Exchaner]

Has anyone tried nic from Heartland Vapes? I saw a review on it on the nicotine thread, and it said the TH is better than Wizard Lab's. They may start selling at quantities less than a liter in Jan.

 

[we2rcool]

If you mean the dangers of nicotine at the levels we are using it are well documented I would like to see some references. At high concentrations it is definitely a poison.

There is an abundance of literature on the dangers of smoking but I have yet to see any studies that show nicotine is dangerous by itself at the levels we are using it. It causes heart disease with cigarettes in combination with elevated levels of carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide. However Swedish Snus has been extensively studied and no relation to heart disease has been found.

Anyone that uses any nicotine-delivery-method to inhale/ingest nicotine (with or without "smoke" and/or chemical additives) for the first few times, feels & experiences the known effects of nicotine. Those adverse effects are clearly documented, and have been for decades. But then (because nicotine is highly addictive) that person becomes 'tolerant' and no longer 'feels' those effects (and many times has no 'measurable fluctuations' due to 'addiction tolerance')...but that doesn't mean there's nothing happening.

Research/studies/documentation do not necessarily equal Truth. We know of none that document human nicotine usage in a 'scientifically controlled scenario' (where other major/minor variables aren't in play) at any level of nicotine for several months or years. "Months/years with controls" is essential to the validity & outcome of any study on long-term nicotine usage. Example: a six week "study" on the effects of ingesting 3-4 beers a day for 6 weeks. Liver damage? Virtually none. Ingest the same 3-4 beers a day for 10 years? Liver damage assured.

Also, we consider "addiction" to be a very real & substantial 'danger of nicotine'. Nicotine addiction has adversely affected our life for decades (as it has millions of others).

Now, to get this back on topic! From other posts, here's how we have created TH satisfactorily (with information about safety) - and there are several posts throughout this forum where others have done something similar to their satisfaction, too:

Here is an EASY way to replicate throat hit easily, cheaply, consistently & safely...no matter what base, flavor or level of nicotine is used!

Start with this (a bottle will last a lifetime): HEAT by Flavorwest

Thoroughly mix 5 drops of HEAT into 10ml of VG...and then use that blend at 2% (for starters). There's no taste at all; no need for filtering, no fuss - no muss...just plain ole TH (that you can easily adjust, control & duplicate).

What we call "throat hit" is nothing more than simple irritation. Capsaicin from peppers has been used for decades (in stronger amounts) to cause people to cough 'predictably' for medical testing, etc.

From here: Safety of capsaicin cough challenge testing

...RESULTS:

One hundred twenty-two published studies since 1984 described 4,833 subjects (4,374 adults, 459 children) undergoing capsaicin cough challenge, with no serious adverse events reported. Subjects included healthy volunteers as well as patients with asthma, COPD, pathologic cough, and other respiratory conditions. Minor complaints described in a small fraction of studies consisted mainly of transient throat irritation. Personal communication with the authors of > 90% of the studies confirmed an absence of any serious adverse events. Furthermore, these investigators have performed thousands of additional capsaicin challenge studies not reported in the literature, also without any associated serious adverse events.

CONCLUSIONS:

A review of the 20-year clinical experience has failed to uncover a single serious adverse event associated with capsaicin cough challenge testing in humans...​

WOOHOO!

Edit: here's the link to the thread from which I pasted the info above http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/496059-adding-throat-hit-100-vg-juice.html There's lot of good ideas for TH in that thread. 'Hope it helps someone!

 

[Traver]

We don't know how addictive nicotine is. We know smoking is highly addictive. I still haven't seen the well documented effects of nicotine in the amounts we use it.
From what I know it raises the heart rate and produces a feeling of alertness. The physiological effect lasts two days because that is how long takes to be completely metabolized.

We don't even know what the lethal dose is. The generally accepted lethal dose LD50 number of 0.5 to 1.0 mg/kg is basically made up, there no is science behind it.

Nicotine is addictive, it is a poison but nowhere near the extent our adversaries have made it out to be. We should not simply accept, repeat and promote this kind of scaremongering from our opponents when there is no science behind it.

 

[JeremyR]

There are also certain flavors that add th. When I was working with flavor art concentrates. I swore hazelnut added a lot of throat hit to the mix.! You may want to look into basic flavors that add th naturally'.

 

[Traver]

Capsicum HEAT by Flavor West looks like it is worth trying. Even though the other threads say you just get used to it. Maybe switching between nicotine and capsicum will give better results. I'll order next time I buy something.

 

[wv2win]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion about the dangers of nicotine, just as we are entitled to disagree with your opinion. But you are not entitled to accuse us (rudely) of falsehoods. We don't even know what ANTZ is. Our purpose on ECF is clearly revealed in our posts. We learn, and we share what we've learned to assist others to create satisfying e-liquids.

The dangers & adverse effects of nicotine are well documented, no matter how it may be used to reduce disease symptoms.

Amazing. The only person who accused someone of a "falsehood" was you when you said I lied, which I did not. I provide relevant links to a study that challenges your opinion that nicotine, used at vaping levels, is relatively safe and you provide nothing to support your position that vaping any nic eliquid is dangerous.

All of this "scare-mongering" from you in this thread, simply because I and others suggested to the OP that increasing the nicotine level from the 1.8% they are currently using to 2.4% would provide more throat hit and is not generally harmful at these levels. ANTZ stands for Anti Nicotine and Tobacco Zealots. Your comments in this thread fits well with their position on any use of nicotine. You started the "attack" posts in this thread. Try thinking twice before you start attacking others, especially when you can't back up your attacks.

 

[we2rcool]

Amazing. The only person who accused someone of a "falsehood" was you when you said I lied, which I did not. I provide relevant links to a study that challenges your opinion that nicotine, used at vaping levels, is relatively safe and you provide nothing to support your position that vaping any nic eliquid is dangerous.

All of this "scare-mongering" from you in this thread, simply because I and others suggested to the OP that increasing the nicotine level from the 1.8% they are currently using to 2.4% would provide more throat hit and is not generally harmful at these levels. ANTZ stands for Anti Nicotine and Tobacco Zealots. Your comments in this thread fits well with their position on any use of nicotine. You started the "attack" posts in this thread. Try thinking twice before you start attacking others, especially when you can't back up your attacks.

So you say ---yawn---

Twisting words isn't our game; our posting history speaks for itself.

 

[Notorious C.I.G.]

Lets put it this way, if you made a bar graph with the health risk of nicotine alone on one side, and the health risk of a cigarette, the bar for nicotine would hardly be visible. There are a larger variety of side effects associated with caffeine than nicotine.

On the topic of the thread: "i need more throat hit. please help me."
Here ya go:

 

[danny4x4]

I'm a throat hit hound. Low nic or no nic= no thoat hit. Period. (22dec 2013) I dated this to show that at this point in time, nothing can replace nicotine for throat hit. I do fervently wish there is, simply because nicotine solution cannot be easily bought in my country.

You can add in Diablo loco, flash, qhit or whatnot. All it's gonna give you is throat burn and "nose hit". I can do that with chill seeds steeped in pg. And yes,I've tried them.

To the poster who is worried about nicotine from ecig, read more and sieve the information.

 

[wv2win]

So you say ---yawn---

Twisting words isn't our game; our posting history speaks for itself.

Thanks for making my point for me. One liners, not being able to support what you post, attacking others over the comment that vaping 24mg nic liquid is generally not harmful.

 

[Traver]

So you say ---yawn---

Twisting words isn't our game; our posting history speaks for itself.

Yes it does, lots of words, no evidence.

 

[danny4x4]

I've made mistakes in my vaping journey and in my life. I made assumptions that were totally wrong.

Are you too cool to say you made a wrong assumption? (we2rcool)

 

[ut1205]

I have yet to understand why someone who is an expert in all the hazards of nicotine would smoke cigarettes or even vape. If you are using 1.8% nic then going to 2.4% is not going to get you any more addicted but it will give you more TH. When I started vaping 1.8 didn't do it for me but the moment I tried 2.4 the cigarettes were history. Poison is in the dose. Tylenol is a great pain killer but I think we all know what would happen if you took a whole bottle.

I agree. Some of these post have a little "smell" to them.