I need more Vapor!

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Mr Sinister

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I started using a manual 510 a couple days ago. I don't know if I am doing something wrong or what. All the reviews I read on the 510 say fog machine and clouds or tons of vapor. I'm just not getting it. This is my first PV so I am not sure what to expect, but I was expecting more. I tried different atomizers, blowing them out, using a tea bag as a wick. Still not impressed. If anyone has any help, it would be greatly appreciated. Also I am using the new style atomizers from innovapor, and Ecopure, 24 mg, Rich. I also have Red Bull flavor PG in 18 mg. The VG produces more vapor, but still not enough.
 

Boredoftheworld

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I wish I knew the difference between a new atomizer and an old one. I have eight atomizers, we've used five, the first two were ordered as a starter kit and one of them seemed "normal" but the other has a metal clip around the wick fibers under the bridge and it's never produced more than a wisp of vapor no matter what I've tried.

My wife used that atomizer for the first two weeks that we vaped and I thought she was just doing it wrong, it really screwed up her vaping experience. The other atomizer that came in that starter kit worked well after I accidentally flooded it... until the fibers started melting/burning/whatever it is they do and I ended up pulling them all out. Both of the first two atomizers have the wide brass band and if the second two had performed like the first two I'd be back to analogs by now.

Happily the second two atomizers I bought were significantly better than the first two. My wife has been using one of them for about ten days, gets great vapor and is finally very happy with vaping. I think I just overworked the one I was using from the second starter kit because after about a week it started to get a little wonky.

I received a second batch of four atomizers this past Saturday, I've only tried one of them but right out of the box that thing has been a fog machine. I took it outside a few minutes ago to show it to the guy who mows our lawn and the blasted thing wimped out on me. Oh, it gave out some vapor, but nothing like the clouds it gives out inside. Of course I was using a standard battery instead of my USB passthru and I was outdoors in bright sunshine, so who knows. It's doing fine inside again.

All that to say: order some more atomizers. The 510 will perform with the right combination of atomizer and power source, it's only that some of us are having some real hit-or-miss issues with atomizers right now, I think... maybe.
 

lela82

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My 510 wasn't all that great at vapor production either. I tried the tea bags, coffee filters, the straw method, and was still having issues.

I finally lucked out and started getting the vapor that everyone on here talks about. I honestly think the 510 attys just need breaking in before they start working to full capacity.

BTW I settled on the "Morning Glory" fill from Walmart in the craft section as the cart filler as well as using a coffee stirrer for the straw method.
 

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another thing you can do is buy some Glycerine and add a few drops of that when you fill or top off. Adds loads of vapor. You can get the Wilton's brand at craft stores and maybe Wal-mart in the cake decorating isle. You can also buy it at pharmacies, just make sure you get the kind that says USP on it.
 

Shadowdr

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New style, I was not aware there was one. Does it have the wide gold band or just the small one?

I think that the best of the bunch have dates on the center pole, but got a 510 from Eastmall that performs equally well with no print. I have also got some generic 510's that produce tons of vapor but very little taste. I have got a few that didn't produce much vapor, both with wide bands that got replaced by warranty. A 510 that doesn't work well is a bad experience but have read here that some need breaking in first. In my case time didn't help, one I actually beat with a hammer out of frustration. Good luck, hopefully it just needs breaking in.
 

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    another thing you can do is buy some Glycerine and add a few drops of that when you fill or top off. Adds loads of vapor. You can get the Wilton's brand at craft stores and maybe Wal-mart in the cake decorating isle. You can also buy it at pharmacies, just make sure you get the kind that says USP on it.

    You may have missed the part where he said he's using EcoPure...which is VG.

    Give it a bit of time, or try a few drops directly on the atty wick and drip it, see if that improves things for you.

    Also agree - try a few different attys, and batteries as well. The few people I've seen say they get low vapor on a 510, always seems to resolve itself, although sometimes it is new battery or atty that does it.
     

    Mr Sinister

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    I'm guessing it is the equipment. All I have is 3 of the new atomizers and 3 manual batteries. It's my first kit so I have nothing to compare it to. I tried different things with the wick material such as tea bags and fluffing the stuff that came with it, dripping directly on the atomizer (which helps a little), but still just getting wimpy wisps of vapor. I will have to try another model or different parts for the 510, I guess. Thanks everyone for the advice.
     
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    Atomizer too dry = lower vapor production.

    Atomizer too wet = lower vapor production.

    You probably just need to experiment with it some to find the sweet spot. The 510 can be a little finicky.

    Truer words were never spoken. :) Problem I've been having (first e-cig, mind you; and used less than a week) is that once I do find the "sweet spot" and get that awesome, vapor-rich hit, I'm back where I started and have to screw around with it for another 7 or 8 tries before I strike gold again. Would really like to find more consistency.
     

    Nepenthy

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    Probably not an option for everyone, but I notice whenever my atomizer is performing weak, I hook it up to a 5v USB passthrough, two drags and Im back in business. Dont know if the extra voltage is cleaning it or what, but I litterally go from faint wisps of vapor to an overwhelming cloud when i do this, without changing the cartridge. I just pull the wimpy hitting atomizer off the battery and hook it up to the passthrough, not tweaking the cart or blowing the atomizer out...etc, then back on the battery.
     

    lela82

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    Hey Lela, how long was the break-in period? And to Shadowdr, Innovapor says they got new 510 atomizers that are rated for 30,000 burns as opposed to 10,000 burns that the older ones we're rated for. They have just a small gold band.

    I have 2 old atomizers and 1 of the "new" atomizers. IMO the "new" one works a LOT better than my old ones. The new atty is an easier draw, more vapor, and yes while it does not "snap" into place it is tight enough fitting. I will say that I can not use the carts for my old attys for the new one. I have to use the carts that shipped with the new one.

    There was no break in period for my new one. The 2 "older" attys that I have (the ones that I posted about earlier in the thread) took about 2-3 days to break in. Even then I still had one that was ill producing.

    I do have a precision oiler on order as I have heard those are a great way of filing up a cart without having to take the fill out to get the full amount of liquid into the cart. You may want to look into that.
     

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    Probably not an option for everyone, but I notice whenever my atomizer is performing weak, I hook it up to a 5v USB passthrough, two drags and Im back in business. Dont know if the extra voltage is cleaning it or what, but I litterally go from faint wisps of vapor to an overwhelming cloud when i do this, without changing the cartridge. I just pull the wimpy hitting atomizer off the battery and hook it up to the passthrough, not tweaking the cart or blowing the atomizer out...etc, then back on the battery.
    my guess would be it's slightly flooded........is it gurgly
     
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