i need more voltage

[Zutankhamun]

Hi guys, people on here have helped me understand the relationship between vv and wattage. But I've been looking at the Sig 150w and it says that the volt limit is 8.5. I don't sub ohm and I just wondered why bother getting a 150w when you can get the 30w and just build high resistance coils like 2.5 ohm and still reach the 8.5 volt limit. Surely you would get as much vapour this way? If someone can help me understand. Also, what mod gives the higest volt limit? Thanks guys

 

[Baditude]

If you don't plan to sub-ohm, you don't need a regulated mod that puts out more than 20 watts. I'm pretty much a low watts/standard ohm vaper (affectionately called a "Tootle Puffer"). My all day device is a 15 watt maximum regulated mod using a 1.5 ohm atomizer.

What's a Tootle Puffer?

why do people build super low ohm on a vv or vw device?

The vast majority of all vapers are Tootle Puffers. Forums like ECF seem to attract a vocal minority of sub ohm or high wattage vapers because its the NEW THING or they are vaping enthusiasts/hobbyists.

 

[dionysuskiss]

There are a number of reasons for higher w/v mods. For example, I use a 100w mod, but the coils I build don't go any lower than .4. Anything lower than that is uncomfortably hot. Nor do I go over 50watts. I use it because, the batteries last longer with my set-up then say, a 30w or 50w.

 

[Zutankhamun]

K, thanks I kinda want to make as much vapour as possible though (safely regulated) so I use drippers and high resistance coils. I like 30w as a minimum just in case I build too low and can't be bothered to do over. I don't know what amount of volts and watts a mech mod can put out with a freshly charged battery. But can a regulated mod at 8.5 v compete? I don't quite understand how a mech mod works in regards to resistance because when you lower the resistance you lower the volts. Surely the more volts the better?

 

[Cool-breeze]

Volts are determined by your battery in a mech. A regulated device can adjust voltage due to the electronics. Regardless of the mod volts have nothing to do with resistance. Decreasing your resistance will increase your amperage. Look over Baditude's ohms law link above to get a better understanding.

 

[Baditude]

I don't know what amount of volts and watts a mech mod can put out with a freshly charged battery. But can a regulated mod at 8.5 v compete? I don't quite understand how a mech mod works in regards to resistance because when you lower the resistance you lower the volts. Surely the more volts the better?

A mechanical mod will never put out more than what the fully charged battery has -- 4.2 volts. The battery output declines as the battery is drained to approximately 3.4 volts, then needs to be recharged.

The lower one goes in coil resistance, the more current (amps) is drawn from the battery. This is why sub-ohm coils require higher amp batteries (20 - 30 amps). Since a mechanical mod doesn't have a processor to adjust the power output, one must depend solely upon changing the coil resistance to change the vaping experience.

1.0 ohm = 4.2 amp draw
0.9 ohm = 4.6 amp draw
0.8 ohm = 5.2 amp draw
0.7 ohms = 6 amp draw
0.6 ohms = 7 amp draw
0.5 ohms = 8.4 amp draw
0.4 ohms = 10.5 amp draw
0.3 ohms = 14.0 amp draw
0.2 ohms = 21.0 amp draw
0.1 ohms = 42.0 amp draw
0.0 ohms = dead short = battery goes into thermal runaway
​

Regulated mods still use Ohm's Law, but instead of the relationship of coil resistance & battery amperage, the mod's processor chip determines the current (amps) limits. Since the newer high wattage regulated mods have enough power to fire standard resistance coils with a lot of power, there's no real need to build sub-ohm coils any more.

Ohm's Law for Dummies and Vapers

 

[Zutankhamun]

Ok, thanks @Baditude. I'll read the link shortly. I'm getting there. So the amps are important in power draw and you change this via resistance. Ok. Just quickly though, before I read the link. In your opinion (or fact) what makes the most impact when making more vapour. I'm getting bored with the same old and want to keep with regulated mods but make more vapour. Thanks

 

[Baditude]

Vapor production is a collaboration of heated vegetable glycerin, surface area of the coil, airflow to the coil, and adequate wicking of the e-liquid. Find the perfect collaboration of those factors, and you'll get the most vapor. Change just one of them and the vapor production drops off.

Easiest way to make more vapor is increase the ratio of Vg to Pg of your e-liquid. Next would be more power to the heating coil (more watts or voltage). Next would be more air to the coil.

 

[dionysuskiss]

The safest way to get more clouds is to up your vg content in your juice. No extra w/v needed.

ah...you beat me. lol

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Yes, more voltage. Especially in the morning.

 

[Zutankhamun]

Thanks a lot guys. Yeah, I'll do all those things but does anybody know which regulated mod has the highest volt limit? Thank you

 

[Baditude]

Thanks a lot guys. Yeah, I'll do all those things but does anybody know which regulated mod has the highest volt limit? Thank you

There may be something more powerful, but the Beast Competition regulated box mod has 40 amps and 200 watts, allegedly safe for 0.08 ohms.

 

[Cool-breeze]

I love the "allegedly safe" comment. I question a 20 dollar device (ohm meter some use) claiming accuracy for two decimal places. But I suppose that's off topic and sounds like I'm trolling, which I'm not. Unsure of which device claims the highest voltage limit. In fact the wattage settings have taken over so much I rarely come across people looking at specs in terms of volts.

 

[Zutankhamun]

Ok thanks again @Baditude. I couldn't find the specs anywhere. I hope I didn't miss them on the video. But I didn't hear the voltage limit. The sig 150w has the limit of 8.5. I'm still confused because you can have more volts at the same wattage if you make the resistance higher. I like higher res because the batt lasts longer. So the power in wattage means nothing to me if you can't get a higher voltage. Why bother unless you're just used to sub ohms. So from my experience your device produces more vapour when the watts are the same but the resistance is changed to produce more volts. I've read the link you provided earlier and all I can gather is that watts & volts are both = to power. So more of either means more vapour. Is this right?

 

[Wolfenstark]

I don't chase it but at times to me I get a good amount of vapour and thats been anywhere from 0.3 - 1.2Ω and I think I rarely go above 5v.
Most the time was around probably 4v or lower, these days I'm on a Reo at 4.15v and lowering.

More watts/volts doesn't necessarily mean more vapour , vg in the juice , amount of wire in contact with the wick , air flow, what Baditude said.

 

[Zutankhamun]

K, I won't put so much faith in the wattage or volts. Thanks. Thanks cool-breeze. I get easily confused. I use pounds so I don't know how much 20 dollars is or what you are referring to. I quickly read over the posts and I'm not sure who said ''allegedly safe''. Maybe this post was intended for elsewhere. The other piece of your post does seem directed towards this discussion. I just wondered why companies have such strange thresholds. 150 or 200 watts but only 8.5 volts. Weird. Oh well

 

[Baditude]

I think you are putting too much emphasis on "voltage". Think more along the lines of wattage instead of voltage. It might make things easier to understand.

Please look at this blog by fellow ECF member State o' Flux: Ohm's Law and Common Vaping Questions

Voltage is the difference in charge between two points.
Current (amperage) is the rate at which charge is flowing.
Resistance is a material’s (coil) tendency to resist the flow of charge (current).
Wattage -

1. An amount of power, especially electric power, expressed in watts or kilowatts.
2. The electric power required by an appliance or device.​

 

[chuckinclouds88]

Ok thanks again @Baditude. I couldn't find the specs anywhere. I hope I didn't miss them on the video. But I didn't hear the voltage limit. The sig 150w has the limit of 8.5. I'm still confused because you can have more volts at the same wattage if you make the resistance higher. I like higher res because the batt lasts longer. So the power in wattage means nothing to me if you can't get a higher voltage. Why bother unless you're just used to sub ohms. So from my experience your device produces more vapour when the watts are the same but the resistance is changed to produce more volts. I've read the link you provided earlier and all I can gather is that watts & volts are both = to power. So more of either means more vapour. Is this right?

Ideally, in a regulated mod, battery life shouldn't be affected by resistance at all. Higher voltage will mean significantly more heat. I think the iStick 50w goes to 10 volts or so, but more voltage than 4.2 volts for me provides a very unpleasant vape. High resistance coils at high voltage is harsh to me. Lower resistance and higher wattage provides the smoothest vaping experience I've had and it produces gobs of clouds.