I'm was looking for information on batteries in vaping but can't find a good article. I'm about to buy a Vamo and will need some batteries. I'm stepping up from a twist so this will be my first ecig battery purchase. I have some questions and I'm a little .... about researching things before I buy them. What type are you guys typically using in your devices. What do I need to know about battery safety pertaining to vaping. I see battery numbers thrown around all the time, what do they mean? What does 18350 mean? Is it the physical size? Does 18350 reference MAH or volts in some way? What brands are considered the best and worst? How long do they last(in cycles not MAH) typically? Is one chemistry safer than others? Are all batteries used for vaping lithium ion? I see the Vamo will take two small batteries. Is this what is referred to as stacking batteries? I have seen mentions of safety and stacking, do I need to know something? I hear AW and IMR before battery numbers all the time, what do they mean? Things like that. These are the questions I have off the top of my head. I've read lots of helpful articles on the ECF but can't find one on batteries. I'm sure there is one but I can't find it. I tend to not google info on ecigs as most of what I get is written by someone with an agenda. Someone trying to sell me something. I like the info here because its usually written by someone who enjoys educating "me". If it wasn't for this site I would certainly be back to analogs or still on the Blu ecig. I will probably prefer the Vamo in its smaller mode. Since I work from home changing batteries will not be an issue. I think I want to buy four small batteries and one large battery. This will fit my daily life best. I just want to be sure I spend my money on the absolute best battery and charger setup possible. Please point me to the answers to these questions or answer the ones you have the time and knowledge to answer. If you recommend a charger and/or batteries please tell me why. As I said in my title I'm looking for knowledge not just recommendations. Buying something because someone said to buy it does not work for me. I like to know what I'm buying and why. Thanks for making it through my long post.
I need some battery knowledge please.
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"18650" means 18mm x 65.0mm
Batteries either have a button, or nipple shape on the positive end or its flat. Different APVs require usually one or the other. (EVic requires flat top, provari requires one with a button-top for example.)
Some batteries are protected or not protected. Again different APVS require or perform better with one or the other.
Retailers usually will recommend the right battery for you or it will come in a starter kit of some sort.
Batteries either have a button, or nipple shape on the positive end or its flat. Different APVs require usually one or the other. (EVic requires flat top, provari requires one with a button-top for example.)
Some batteries are protected or not protected. Again different APVS require or perform better with one or the other.
Retailers usually will recommend the right battery for you or it will come in a starter kit of some sort.
Also recommend searching the forum for battery info. There are a TON of threads explaining the battery scene.
I have a VAMO. I would buy Efest, AW's or Panasonic batteries. Here is a good price on batteries plus free shipping:
Efest IMR 18350 800mAh 3.7V LiMn Battery Flat Top or Nipple Tops (2PCS)
Efest IMR 18650 2000mah 3.7V LiMn Battery with Flat top / e-cigs and battery mods.
I got the flat top in both sizes and they work great. I use a Trustfire TR-001 charger ($10), which charges both sizes.
Efest IMR 18350 800mAh 3.7V LiMn Battery Flat Top or Nipple Tops (2PCS)
Efest IMR 18650 2000mah 3.7V LiMn Battery with Flat top / e-cigs and battery mods.
I got the flat top in both sizes and they work great. I use a Trustfire TR-001 charger ($10), which charges both sizes.
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And I would recommend the flat top, I started with nippled batteries and it doesn't work so well in my VAMO, and if you try to stack you won't be able to screw the battery cap all the way on.
. its everything i wanted to ask.
I'm curious as to which brand is the best, and I use mech mods, should I use flat tops or nipple tops? I've been using nipple tops with no problems...
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From my limited battery knowledge...
You get protected or unprotected batteries. Modern batteries can't be allowed to completely drain like old style batteries could (I believe it makes the chemistry in them unsafe somehow) so the protected ones cut themselves off when the volts get down to a certain level. Think of an ego battery which has plenty power to brightly flash it's light to tell you it needs charged, but won't supply any power out. Unprotected batt's don't have this protection, but your Vamo does, so it cuts out the power when it gets low anyway. Mine cuts out at around 3.4 volts. I've also read that protected batt's won't work in a Vamo.
18350 tells the dimensions in millimetres - 18mm wide by 35mm tall. 18650 is 18mm by 65mm etc. Beware that some 18650's are longer than others tho (go figure lol). Browse around fasttech.com for battery dimension differences.
You get flat top or button top. Some devices require one, or the other. Button top adds a millimetre or two to the overall length so might make stacking a bit tight. It's button tops I have on my Vamo, but I don't stack.
As a general rule the bigger the battery the more milliamp hours (mAh) it has, and each 100mAh will last around an hour vaping. They all work within similar voltage perameters ie fully chrged around 4.2 volts, and fully uncharged maybe 3.0 volts give or take.
AW (which is the manufacturer name) batteries (as recommended by Provape for the Provari) seem to have an excellent reputation, Efest also seem good. I have read that any batteries with the word "fire" in them should be avoided (maybe it's a bit tongue in cheek tho). Batteries should be good for around 200-300 charge cycles, the same as your current Twist.
I'm not 100% clued up on specific battery lingo but I believe IMR are a safer chemistry than ICR, and High Drain can somehow supply the extra power required by your Vamo.
Two smaller batteries on top of each other is called stacking. Some folks say it's dangerous, others do it all the time. According to Vamo blurb the Vamo can take stacked batts.
I have found that 18350's don't last long in my Vamo (the cut out seems to kick in too early, meaning it only goes from 4.2 down to 3.4 useable volts) so I prefer 18650's, and that it "fits" better in my hand in 18650 mode.
Make sure you get a good quality charger like Nitecore Intellicharge I2 (I4 has more bays) etc, they have overcharge protection built into them so are a safer bet for unprotected batt's.
The best bet is to follow the manufacturer's recommendations. I only use AW or Efest High Drain IMR's (unprotected) and haven't had any problems. I believe the extra few dollars is worth it.
As mentioned above - this is my limited layman's understanding of modern batteries. If in doubt please read lots more from the links supplied earlier and make sure you don't burn your house down.
Hope this helps rather than confuses lol.
You get protected or unprotected batteries. Modern batteries can't be allowed to completely drain like old style batteries could (I believe it makes the chemistry in them unsafe somehow) so the protected ones cut themselves off when the volts get down to a certain level. Think of an ego battery which has plenty power to brightly flash it's light to tell you it needs charged, but won't supply any power out. Unprotected batt's don't have this protection, but your Vamo does, so it cuts out the power when it gets low anyway. Mine cuts out at around 3.4 volts. I've also read that protected batt's won't work in a Vamo.
18350 tells the dimensions in millimetres - 18mm wide by 35mm tall. 18650 is 18mm by 65mm etc. Beware that some 18650's are longer than others tho (go figure lol). Browse around fasttech.com for battery dimension differences.
You get flat top or button top. Some devices require one, or the other. Button top adds a millimetre or two to the overall length so might make stacking a bit tight. It's button tops I have on my Vamo, but I don't stack.
As a general rule the bigger the battery the more milliamp hours (mAh) it has, and each 100mAh will last around an hour vaping. They all work within similar voltage perameters ie fully chrged around 4.2 volts, and fully uncharged maybe 3.0 volts give or take.
AW (which is the manufacturer name) batteries (as recommended by Provape for the Provari) seem to have an excellent reputation, Efest also seem good. I have read that any batteries with the word "fire" in them should be avoided (maybe it's a bit tongue in cheek tho). Batteries should be good for around 200-300 charge cycles, the same as your current Twist.
I'm not 100% clued up on specific battery lingo but I believe IMR are a safer chemistry than ICR, and High Drain can somehow supply the extra power required by your Vamo.
Two smaller batteries on top of each other is called stacking. Some folks say it's dangerous, others do it all the time. According to Vamo blurb the Vamo can take stacked batts.
I have found that 18350's don't last long in my Vamo (the cut out seems to kick in too early, meaning it only goes from 4.2 down to 3.4 useable volts) so I prefer 18650's, and that it "fits" better in my hand in 18650 mode.
Make sure you get a good quality charger like Nitecore Intellicharge I2 (I4 has more bays) etc, they have overcharge protection built into them so are a safer bet for unprotected batt's.
The best bet is to follow the manufacturer's recommendations. I only use AW or Efest High Drain IMR's (unprotected) and haven't had any problems. I believe the extra few dollars is worth it.
As mentioned above - this is my limited layman's understanding of modern batteries. If in doubt please read lots more from the links supplied earlier and make sure you don't burn your house down.
Hope this helps rather than confuses lol.
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