I stealth vaped on the plane (and a small side rant)!!!!

[Crumpet]

I was on a long flight across the country and I simply covered the cherry end and vaped. My row mate was sleeping and I just blew the vapor against the window but sort of in a downward direction. All the vapor haters can kiss my ...! There was no smell or 'smoke' lingering anywhere, so obviously no one knew. I also covered the cherry and vaped in a restaurant in CA. The law says no smoking on the plane and there is nothing stated about vaping. I'm about sick and tired of people acting as though they are the same thing. There would have been no grounds to charge me if I'd been caught because I was not smoking. To be honest, I did ask the bartender if they had a vaping policy but they said they did not even though they knew nothing of e-ciggs. At the airport, out of curiosity I asked an older woman waitressing at a cafe if e-ciggs were allowed and she didn't know but did say you weren't allowed to smoke (no kidding genius, that's why I asked about vaping!).

Sometimes it is frustrating being ahead of the curve and I'll admit I'm pretty annoyed at how many people still aren't familiar with these devices. I get even more agitated with people who are familiar but still think it is 'smoking' no matter how many times you explain otherwise. I fight the urge to hit them in the head in an attempt to knock some sense in and it's a struggle not to get a superiority complex. Why is it that people who know the least always think they know the most?

I think that our community is partly responsible for the ignorance out there since we continue to call these things 'cigarettes' and that comes with a lot of baggage. I'm commited to using the term 'vaporizer' until it becomes the norm and wish they would be branded and promoted that way more often.

Thanks for listening.

 

[proudlion]

I'm commited to using the term 'vaporizer' until it becomes the norm and wish they would be branded and promoted that way more often.

Thanks for listening.

Absolutely agree

 

[Krisb]

I'd like to see this forum change its name to reflect this, but less people would find it!

 

[Crumpet]

I'd like to see this forum change its name to reflect this, but less people would find it!

We could change the name and link folks to the site when they search for e-ciggs. For instance, when they click on ECF it forwards them to the updated titled site.

 

[Shel]

To be honest, I did ask the bartender if they had a vaping policy...

wimp.

Just KIDDING!!!

Check out my thread "Please DO vap where smoking isn't allowed!"...

Apparently, in the eyes of some, I'm a threat to vaping, because I don't bother asking if I can do something that isn't prohibited!

Oh, well... vap way!

The ONLY places I won't vap (well, the only places that I can think of off hand) is in a place of worship (which, fortunately, you won't catch me in anyways... ) and a school with young children.

I don't blow vap in people's direction, I try and be curteous and sit by an open door, or away from crowds if possible, but I don't hide it, and I don't ask permission! (well, unless I'm at someone's home, or I'm going to vap in front of their older kids or something...)

I've only had positive feedback, mostly from smokers interested in learning more about vaping, and knowing nothing about it! NOBODY has objected in the least!

I'm in the Los Angeles area... not sure if that's why I have only heard positive feedback and comments.

 

[my2heartboys]

I do know and understand what you mean. I attend a tech college that also does a lot of healthcare training. I, too, am relegated to the outdoors and smokers corner when I vape. Thing is, I am getting tons of questions about ecigs. So many that I am considering making up an informal card that has my name and school email address on it to hand to them. A few times, it has caused me to be late back to class from break.

I was explaining these to a nurse in training at the school today and when I finished, her simple statement was that I should be able to do it inside as well....... Hmmmmm, me thinks she may have a point.

Anne

 

[Harlequin]

I think that our community is partly responsible for the ignorance out there since we continue to call these things 'cigarettes' and that comes with a lot of baggage. I'm commited to using the term 'vaporizer' until it becomes the norm and wish they would be branded and promoted that way more often.

Totally agree. A PV is not a cigarette, simple as that; cigarettes smoke and PVs produce vapor. Until that fundamental fact is clearly understood, we're fighting an uphill battle.

 

[Crumpet]

I do know and understand what you mean. I attend a tech college that also does a lot of healthcare training. I, too, am relegated to the outdoors and smokers corner when I vape. Thing is, I am getting tons of questions about ecigs. So many that I am considering making up an informal card that has my name and school email address on it to hand to them. A few times, it has caused me to be late back to class from break.

I was explaining these to a nurse in training at the school today and when I finished, her simple statement was that I should be able to do it inside as well....... Hmmmmm, me thinks she may have a point.

Anne

I refuse to do that. I'll go in a bathroom stall if it comes to it, but it's good you have been able to be visible in a way that increases interest in this product, so kudos for that. I just want to smack heads when I witness someone who has been told what a PV is, and yet they still think it's smoking. If that isn't a dead giveaway about intelligence I don't know what is.

You can go to Vistaprint.com and print up free (business type) cards for no charge except for $5.95 shipping, and that is for 250 cards which are in color. In fact, I may do just that. For about $3.00 more you can upload a personal image, such as one of a PV being used, that you could copy from anywhere. Or, you can look through their designs and see if anything suits you. I've used their services a lot, and they offer quality products. They often send me specials for free fliers, postcards, magnets, pens, etc. I'd love it if some of our vendors would do that to promote what they sell, providing even more public exposure. Should I suggest it on a vendors forum (not to imply they haven't already done it themselves or thought about it)? I may create some myself and include a clear statement that I am not a vendor and make no profit from any purchases made of any PV. Thanks for the idea!!!!!!

 

[Maggiescruzin]

I went to the movies last week-end and sat in the back. I vaped through the whole movie and no one noticed a thing! I had an EGO so there was no light on it. It was great! I thought about vaping popcorn, but ended up vaping Apple pie. I'm sure a couple people in there left with a craving for pie and had no idea why!

 

[madglee]

I hear you about feeling like beating someone over the head. Here's what happened in Starbucks in St. Louis, MO.

"Excuse me, sir, there is no smoking in here."
"No problem, I'm not smoking." I hold up the device. "This is a personal vaporizer."
"What? There is no smoking here."
"I realize that, this is basically water vapor, notice there is no smell?"
"Cigarettes don't smell either."
I raise an eyebrow.
"Sir, please put that out."
"Okay," I say, and put it in my pocket. "Can I speak with a manager, please?"
The manager comes out and is maybe 20. I say, "Ma'am, I realize there is a smoking ban, but I wasn't smoking." I hold out the device. "This device allows me to 'vape', which doesn't have any second-hand smoke and doesn't smell."
She scrunches up her face. "Looks like smoking to me."
"I mean to say that it's no worse than say, oxygen."
"You can't breathe anything out in here."
This is when I feel like killing.
"How about if I bring in an oxygen tank because I can't breathe, can I do that?"
"Okay."

I left and will never, ever give Starbucks any money from now on. I don't usually, anyway, but that's the old final straw.

 

[vivictus]

I think most 'managers' in franchises like Starbucks are just ordered to use a canned response in regards to such things. Even if she knew it wasn't truly smoking she may have had to just play dumb and give the company response. Granted, if I worked in such a place and was supposed to tell you not to use a PV I would acknowledge what it was, that I understood, but it was company policy and I had no control over it. I am just glad where I work I can just hop in the back room, vape, and call it good. No one cares. the non-smokers were a little questionable at first, but I told them what it was and they never second guessed it.

 

[Biomom]

In my experience, restaurants are too sensitive and too risky for negative attention. I vape in the bathroom.
Most other places shouldn't be an issue, although my daughter's private school has banned "nicotene products of any kind". It's their property and our right to go somewhere else to spend our money I guess.

I prefer Katherine Heidl's term "vapor stick" over "vaporiser" -- had some issues with this term and similar term used for
drug paraphenalia. :S

 

[Steef]

In the good ole U.S. of A., We take the liberty to do as we please until someone decides we arn't allowed!!

I too as well as my better half (Who stated (I) said it was O.K. to vape on a plane) Almost got caught up in a mess once someone across the asile said "I smell something burning".... Don't mess with the Airline, the FAA, TSA or anyone else YOU believe needs to know your rights!!

I understand the frustration being vented here and as I stated in my post(Vaping on a airplane) Your right to do something IS Not always the right thing to do!!!

UNTIL vaping becomes mainstream, MAINTAIN a LOW PROFILE!!! Stealth all you want, Planes,Fine Dining Establishments, Movies, Bars, Whatever,,, But don't go blazing a new trail on an issue that could very well screw it up for the rest of us who choose to keep a low profile.....
Your right or not!!! Sorry!!!

Steef

 

[191ahc]

Just a thought...If you want to push your right to vape where smoking is prohibited, please do so but with enough financial resources to be the judicial test case. That is, to challenge that establishment's or organization's ban in court. This might be very expensive.
Petulance might be insufficient.
One might have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that "2nd hand vapor" is Totally harmless to others.
I read of schools, IIRC, banning all peanut products because some folks are seriously allergic.
So the "threat", from the hysterical, to us vapers might be that one in 1,000 (10,000? 100,000? Million?) folks allergic to PG or VG.
Just thinking...something I don't always do well or deeply.

 

[ropetrick]

I'm with Steef. Rocking the boat at this point (unless you're willing to go to court, as 191ahc says) will probably just make things worse for us.

I'm a cyclist, and you know what the most damaging aspect of our relationship with motorists is? It's the arrogance of cyclists. Even when they're within their legal rights, cyclists manage to irritate motorists and damage our relationship with the community when it's entirely unnecessary.

I have an addiction and I'm willing to take some pains to not distress non-addicts, even when I'm within my rights to be more aggressive. It's important that we maintain a good relationship with the non-users in our communities.

(By the way, the cyclist thing is an imperfect analogy at best. Sometimes passiveness is dangerous to cyclists; passivity in vapers is only dangerous when you get really cranky from nic withdrawal.

 

[DoomsDay]

I went to game stop to pick up the Kinect for the xbox. It was at midnight. I got there about 15 till and the doors were open and there was a couple of us standing around inside waiting for midnight to hit so they could sell them. I asked the guy behind the counter if he had a vaping policy and of course he said, I have no idea what that is. I showed it to him and explained it to him and he was intrigued with it. Until the vapor came out. He was impressed with it, but he was afraid that others would mistake it for smoke and figured it would be easier to just say no than to have to go through the hassle of why its ok for this guy to vape but not this guy smoking. I can fully understand that. It can be a big hassle for the establishment of having to deal with it and its easier to just say no. I may not like it, but I do understand it. This is something that is going to take a long time to educate people.

 

[Steef]

That's the point I was trying to make!!! I thought I was going to get "Thumped " for my comments,,,,, But as you see, there are others who have the same view..... No need to blaze a new trail on my behalf..... We all used to smoke in planes, resturants, & bars until it was banned..... Correct??
Now that vaping is slowly coming out, it still looks like smoke to them....

They don't want to hear what, how, or when!!! If you keep a cool head, ask if its allowed and don't be offended if you are not allowed to do so.... Acceptance,,,, Not Quite!!!

I mean no disrespect to anyones views!!!!

Thanks
Steef

 

[Mathew R Taylor]

I hear you about feeling like beating someone over the head. Here's what happened in Starbucks in St. Louis, MO.

"Excuse me, sir, there is no smoking in here."
"No problem, I'm not smoking." I hold up the device. "This is a personal vaporizer."
"What? There is no smoking here."
"I realize that, this is basically water vapor, notice there is no smell?"
"Cigarettes don't smell either."
I raise an eyebrow.
"Sir, please put that out."
"Okay," I say, and put it in my pocket. "Can I speak with a manager, please?"
The manager comes out and is maybe 20. I say, "Ma'am, I realize there is a smoking ban, but I wasn't smoking." I hold out the device. "This device allows me to 'vape', which doesn't have any second-hand smoke and doesn't smell."
She scrunches up her face. "Looks like smoking to me."
"I mean to say that it's no worse than say, oxygen."
"You can't breathe anything out in here."
This is when I feel like killing.
"How about if I bring in an oxygen tank because I can't breathe, can I do that?"
"Okay."

I left and will never, ever give Starbucks any money from now on. I don't usually, anyway, but that's the old final straw.

Oh wow, I am ever so glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read this, it would have gone through my nose!

I would have never imagined that Starbucks had a no-exhalation policy, and I will be certain to hold my breath and write down my order from here on in. With this increasing lung capacity I am getting from becoming a non smoker, let's just hope the barista can make my drink quick enough for me not to pass out

 

[markfm]

I vape in general stores -- Walmart, grocery, etc., without ever having been asked a thing. I suspect people figure out that nobody's going to actually smoke a cigarette walking through them, so I must be doing something else.

Local good restaurant I've been going to for years I vape at all the time, though I don't try to impress people with how much vapor I can produce. Same thought process -- it's a non-smoking place, and not a dive, so I must be doing something that isn't smoking. I do like vaping after a meal, and I'm usually done eating before DW, so it works out well.