I think I might have started with too high of level of nic?

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As I am posting in the new members forum, I am obviously new to the forum. Not only that, I am new to vapping. In fact, today was the first day. I have talked for awhile with a guy at work who is really into some crazy mods and me being the techie that I am think I will eventually get to that point, though I am realizing there are steps to get to this point. I have thought about making the switch with the intention to eventually get to quitting all together (or at least 0 nic vapping). I am 35 and have smoked about a pack a day for nearly 20 years and that scares the heck outta me to say that. I am tired of feeling like crap, but don't feel like cold turkey would be for me. I have a family, kids and I want to be around as much as possible and stop now while I can still reap benefits of doing so.

I have spent a lot of time combing through this forum and the rest of the net researching all the options and deciding which would be for me. I think that initially I will be going with a medium size PV (such as an eGo type or something of the like). However, I am actually at a point where I am finishing up at my job of 5 years. Was told December 30th that after 40 years, the business was sold as of that day. Everyone was fired except for me (had to help liquidate all the assets that we had). The reason I say that is that cash flow is very tight. Family of 5 and I am the only source of income. I do not have the luxury of wasting a lot of money trying to figure out the best fit though I know spending some for things that don't work for me is inevitable. I probably wont be able to order my PV for a week or so. Therefore, I finally got tired of waiting and decided to go out and purchase a disposable eCig just to kinda see what it was like so to speak.

It goes against many of the reviews that I saw, but I ended up getting a Fin disposable, tobacco flavor, 1.6%. Took a few puffs and it was strange (rather, new) but wasn't that bad. I only took a couple to start with. Then when I was going to get my son from work, I decided that I was gonna take about 8-10 puffs during the trip instead of the whole analog that I normally would have smoked. Here is where things got a little strange for me. For the most part I was please to find that I was actually satisfied - meaning, I did not feel I needed to smoke an actual cigarette. However, I started feeling a little weird - not scary really just sorta spacey and sleepy. Now, I know what getting to much nicotine feels like (rapid heart beat, dizzy, etc.) and it did not feel this way. Here is a big caveat though - I have had an anxiety disorder w/panic attacks for about 18 years now and no matter how much I try not to, when trying something new, I sometimes get anxiety though the symptoms listed above are not really what I feel usually (though the spaciness could be).

Back to why I chose the Fin - I live in a somewhat small town and no matter where I went, it seemed that the only strengths available were all 1.8% or above (Whether V2, Cherokee, Mystic, 21st Century, etc.) As a final chance, I went to Walmart and they had many selections of Fin, from 6mg to 24mg. I have been smoking Marlboro 72 Silver (Ultra-light, .4-.5 depending on where you look) for about a couple years now. I am used to those now, they are light but have a decent throat hit, which I really like. I had read maybe starting with the 6mg but also read it didnt deliver a very good throat hit, so I made the decision to go with the 16mg, thinking that I could just take less puffs if it was too much.

So, on that note, based on what I have said, does anyone think my weird feelings came from too high a level of nic? Should I chalk this $8 up as a loss and go get the 6mg to see if that is any better, or could there be another reason?

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This is hard to determine, especially since you've admitted to having an anxiety disorder associated with panic attacks. Even people who do not have an anxiety disorder may have psychological issues about quitting smoking. Smoking is an addiction which has deep set psychological dependency in addition to the physical affects of nicotine addiction.

Also be aware that you are addicted to more than just the nicotine in tobacco. There are hundreds of other chemicals present in cigarettes which can cause withdrawal symptoms.

Generally speaking, a pack per day smoker is usually recommended to start out using 12 mg nicotine strength. This can be adjusted as needed according to the effectiveness of that strength and according to possible side effects.
 

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welcome to the world of vaping. Have you vaped with it since then? If so did it have the same effect? I haven't heard those types of symptoms around here much.. The symptoms of nic overdose are as you stated, and don't sound like what happened.

As someone who has had anxiety problems of his own in the past I can say that what you're describing sounds like the mini panic attacks I used to have. And I wouldn't blame you for having one with news like that. I hope that everything works out..

Not really sure if it would be an overdose of nicotine, just doesn't sound like it.. But I'm not a doctor, and you kinda have to listen to your own body with this stuff. As said above though, I wouldn't hold it against vaping.

That's my 2 cents on it.
 

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LOL, I had to "liquidate" the company I worked for (after everyone else had been fired). Worst month of my life. So, sympathies on that!

I think there are so many variables that could have affected your experience. Too much nic, maybe something in the pg/vg/flavoring mix of the cig you used, maybe you hit it too fast too often, and of course your own psychological reaction to something new.

I really wouldn't worry about it, but would maybe try a different brand, a different setting for your next vape experience. (I'm sure at some point you'll want to move up to a better option than disposables, but that's not really the issue right now).

I guess I'd just suggest just varying the process a little, and taking it slow to make sure you don't put yourself at risk.

Good luck with it, and welcome to the forum.
 
I've been vaping for a little while, quickly jumped from the steps of the latter, so to speak. I started with a disposable, got an ego, upgraded to a VV mod, and am now building my own coils on an RDA. I started about 3 months ago. ;) I noticed that when I had my ego and went from vaping 18mg to 24mg, it just sort of gave me a sick feeling in my stomach and hurt my throat and just gave a strong, clean buzz. But when I started dripping... That's another story. If I chain vape for a good minute or so on 18mg I almost have a body high sort of feeling. Really clean, strong as hell buzz. No sick feeling. With 24mg, if I chain vape, I'll feel like I'm about to throw up along with the latter feeling. It seems (imo) that when vaping my tolerance never goes up. But with those disposable cig-a-likes, I would get a buzz like from a morning cigarette, with a light headed feeling, which I suppose I would also affiliate the word "strange" in feeling. I think with a good ego type starter, a decent tank like a iclear 16 to start, with 12mg of nicotine, you'll be fine. Just take care when chain vaping. It is, after all, concentrated nicotine as opposed to an active ingredient in tobacco that when smoked, burns the majority of the nicotine away before it gets to your system.

tl, dr; I've never been a fan of the disposable cig-a-likes, they gave a strange feeling associated with a buzz. I would, I suppose, suggest to take a little breather after each puff, just to add some time between, until you can upgrade to a starter vape. I'd start with 12mg. You can always adjust your nicotine level to how you see fit. And the liquid is generally inexpensive in comparison. (mostly sold as $10 for a bottle equivalent to a carton)

Also congrats on making the switch! Techies such as yourself, and I, usually find vaping as a great hobby to get into as well as a healthier alternative. I'm sure you already know why. :)

Vape on, brother.

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Ouch - a couple people here who've been in my situation. Bank I was working for got taken over, they canned my boss and told me that I could take over my office and head out immediately to fire everyone in our six satellites, or walk with the boss and everyone in the main office would get the axe too. We only survived another 10 months until operations wound down and we all ended up on the street at the home office too.

I feel your pain, Mike (seems both of you are Mike - that's my middle name). And I understand the stress of the situation you're in.

shelzmike - I think maybe give it a couple days, but also get some lighter-strength juice to start out too. I only smoked 1/2-3/4 ppd Marlboro Light 100s but it took me 18mg juice to fully quit - after a month or so I started tapering off and I'm now at 6mg most of the time. My wife smoked the same cigs, about the same amount, quit the same day I did, and she's just recently cut from 18mg to 12mg. Everyone is different - you may be ready for a lighter nic strength right away, but don't toss the higher-strength stuff you've got. Save it and, if you find yourself with some strong cravings a few weeks down the line (most of us do), step up the dose for a couple vaping sessions to see if you can kill the urge for a cig. If you find, however, that you can go for a few months at the lower dose (I've heard of people getting relapse urges as long as six months down the line), you've probably golden.

As far as better equipment than a cigalike, I'd say to at least look at an Ego-twist style setup - tons of options as far as playing with delivery devices, the variable power is a huge bonus (and you can get some pretty good lifespans out of the newer-style batteries). I probably could've been happy with these indefinitely, but as vaping has become a hobby I've picked up a couple "mods" for the wife and I - love 'em, but I was doing fine for nearly a year without 'em until I got my latest vapemail last week.
 

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Alright, so after a few days, I think I am figuring some things out here. So I am still working with just the cig-a-like at the moment. Still trying to find the best PV to get and then also waiting till I have the money. I went ahead and bought the 8mg version as well, just to test and see. I mean, it was actually on sale for $4.00 so I figured what the heck.

When I have an actual session where I vape as though I would smoke a cigarette with the 16mg, I still "feel" it so to speak. It is so very hard to explain, but I get somewhat drowsy a little bit and I definitely feel like I am buzzed a little. However, let me clarify. I remember when I first started smoking (though I despise those times and wish I hadn't) but I used to get a killer buzz as I am sure all smokers know what I am talking about. I get something similar when I smoke as soon as I wake up. However, the buzz I talk about getting now is not like that, it seems, in a way, cleaner. I thought about it logically and came up with a theory. I think it either has to do with the fact that the buzz is simply pure nicotine, vs. a cigarette buzz which I am sure has a lot to do with the other chemicals but most importantly the CO levels that rise when you smoke, which in my opinion is what is more likely the cause of the dizziness and increased heart rate and sometimes tingly feeling. I do realize that a crap-ton of nicotine will give you similar effects but I just for some reason do not think that is what is happening to me, could be wrong - after all it is just a theory. I say this because when i vape the 6mg, I do not get as weird of a feeling, if any at all and I take more puffs off of that; although, I do not feel as satisfied with that level. Although, I do like the fact that it is much more "airy" (meaning, easier to draw on). I find the 16mg feels more like hitting a packed bowl or something (at least what I can remember from my youth, lol) and I do not like that so much. The amount of vapor and flavor on the 6mg is also better. However though, like I said it does not feel as satisfying, but I can get close with more puffs.

The only other theory that I have is that I have a light reaction to the PG and when I do get my PV, I will definitely try some combos of PG/VG to test that theory. My eyes seem to get a bit dry and feel puffy a little when I am using the Fin which is part of the weird feeling.

As far as the anxiety potentiality mentioned above, I have thought about it and do not think that it has anything to do with it at all. I am, unfortunately, a pro at my anxiety disorder and know it backwards and forwards and this just does not seem to fit the mold. The biggest indication is that the feeling isn't overly worrisome nor does it make me have a bad reaction, it is really kinda enjoyable except I am a high energy person and find it hard to just lay around, which the 16mg sessions make me feel like doing for about an hour or so, lol.

I am not giving up at this point for sure and am stoked at the very good chance I can get off of the freaking cigarettes and actually feel good for the first time in a couple decades (sad to say, since i am only 35!). As it stands now, I am still smoking some and think that will change once I get the PV, but even with the cig-a-likes I have already cut my smoking down by 60%! And that is without even really trying that hard. It has also honestly made me more productive. Yesterday, I was up in the ceiling running new networking cable and really wanted to smoke and then just pulled out my Fin a took a couple puffs and I was good to go. Was nice actually :)

Thanks again for all the replies!

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If you're used to smoking Ultra Lights, then I wouldn't recommend any higher than a 12mg juice. 16mg is closer to a Marlboro Medium in nicotine content.

You're not getting a LOT more nicotine than you are used to, but you are definitely getting more than you're used to. If your goal is to eventually quit nicotine all together than you probably wouldn't want to start by increasing the amount that you ingest.
 
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    It really doesn't matter what device you start with, or what strength nicotine you start out with. They are just your starting point.

    In reality it's no different than the process used in choosing which brand of cigarettes you used. Trial & error will tell you what satisfies your needs. So relax and enjoy the ride ... it's a fun one.
     

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    Nicotine absorption with ecigs is slower than normal cigs. I find it highly unlikely to be nic overdose. I have been reading a lot in the new user forums lately of people having concerns about getting too much nicotine, when in fact they are likely feeling the results of too little.

    Tobacco companies add chemicals to make the nicotine rush into the system, ecigs are a bit slower. Check out the research here: Nicotine absorption from electronic cigarette use: comparison between first and new generation devices
     

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    If you're used to smoking Ultra Lights, then I wouldn't recommend any higher than a 12mg juice. 16mg is closer to a Marlboro Medium in nicotine content.

    You're not getting a LOT more nicotine than you are used to, but you are definitely getting more than you're used to. If your goal is to eventually quit nicotine all together than you probably wouldn't want to start by increasing the amount that you ingest.

    That is sorta what I was thinking. I mean I can make the 16mg work for now, by simply taking less puffs, but that is not what I want really. If I have learned anything over the times trying to quit it's that for me personally I think I am almost more addicted to the habit than the nicotine, which I have heard can be true for some. I mean yeah if I go for a long time without smokes I do get some cravings but not horrible, but they are always worse after a meal (even if I JUST smoked right before I ate), every time I get in the car, etc. That being said, when I make the full transition, it is going to be important that I can get my sessions as close to my old habits as possible. Meaning, I get about the same amount of puffs as I would take and roughly the same amount of nicotine. I know that is somewhat difficult to do exactly, but it is definitely a goal I have that I think can make the transition easier and then eventually vape the 0mgs and be done with nicotine for good, though I am certainly not going to rush it since vaping is obviously better than cigarettes.

    I am able to get kinda close to the same with the 8mg Fin but like I said it is not quite as satisfying as I would like, so I think that 12mg will be the best starter for me really.

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    Sucks about your job.......if you live in MD or PA, PM me and I will see if I have any work available.

    Hey, I appreciate that. I actually live in SW VA right now. I am still getting some work coming in here and there and actually just finishing up with the job I was referring to that shut down. I had always planned on doing my own thing and running a Managed Services shop (as I already do some on the side anyway) but wanted to be more financially prepared. On the other hand, I am somewhat in a position where I have to do something and unemployment can pay me to help start getting more clients, which I am good at doing if I have the time to. With a FT job, it made it a bit difficult, so I am trying to stay positive about it.

    It really doesn't matter what device you start with, or what strength nicotine you start out with. They are just your starting point.

    In reality it's no different than the process used in choosing which brand of cigarettes you used. Trial & error will tell you what satisfies your needs. So relax and enjoy the ride ... it's a fun one.

    I agree and am going into the situation with that attitude. However, what I am trying to do is get close enough to something that is going to be viable as soon as possible so that I do not spend a whole bunch of money on stuff that doesn't work for me in the beginning, due to the situation I am in currently. Thanks for the feedback.

    Nicotine absorption with ecigs is slower than normal cigs. I find it highly unlikely to be nic overdose. I have been reading a lot in the new user forums lately of people having concerns about getting too much nicotine, when in fact they are likely feeling the results of too little.

    Tobacco companies add chemicals to make the nicotine rush into the system, ecigs are a bit slower. Check out the research here: Nicotine absorption from electronic cigarette use: comparison between first and new generation devices

    Nice, I will check out the link. I had heard that you get less nic with ecig because of the difference in absorption between the smoke and vapor. However, like I was saying before I don't think it was an extreme amount more than I am used to, just more than usual. I am glad you mentioned this also because it was one thing I did not address from my initial post. I do not think this has anything to do with any withdrawal at this point or not as much nicotine bc the feeling is while I am using the fin and afterward for awhile then it goes away. It is hard to say, but this is sort of the pre-season so to speak, lol. Just sorta tossing the ball around while i am waiting to get my PV. Then the season will start so to speak.

    Mike
     

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    I didnt know much about nic levels, had many of the same concerns, but I got lucky, the guy at the store recommended 6, so thats what I used, and I haven't changed. But, I do like to vape alot, so 6 is perfect for me. I vape a brand that goes from 0nic to 1.1nic, there is nothing in the middle, so I get both 0 and 1.1 and mix it. When im at work, I cant chain vape so I mix ita lil heavier, but still in the .8ish area,I cannot be for sure. But fewer toots higher nic at work. At home I vape 6,all day, sometimes I even mix it lower so I can vape without gettin nicsick(even at 6, it still happens to me. Good luck with it I hope you find your perfect level,it really makes a difference I believe. Ive tried 12 and 18, and it was waay too much for me.
     

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    My two cents :2c:..Hey Mike! Congrats on starting! The best advice I was given when I started 2 years ago on nic, (I quit for same reasons you described), is this:

    Start with as close you can with nic level as you are used to doing, with this caveat: "Put your unit down before you find yourself toking away every 15 seconds! Habit." I'm sure most of us have had the experience where you wake up from the trance of realizing that you've been vaping constantly for a long period of time without stopping. Also, as far as throat hit, PG and VG levels are a personal preference. Basically, PG delivers throat hit and flavor and VG delivers vapor and sweetness. Find a unit and juice mix that suits you. I never found disposable ecigs to deliver the flavor and experience a good juice and unit does. Plus, more economical to fill and charge your own.

    Do research on your nic level, find a good source for juice and hardware and try that route. Worked for me! Good luck dude!

    My unit: ego 900mah with mini evod 1.8ohm. Vape on!!!:cool:
     
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