I think I'm a clone now.

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firefighter334

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So I know this has been asked before maybe over and over. Clones what are they. Are they worth the money. Do they have problems more then an original.

I am looking at buying an atty but never built before. Looking at getting started but don't want to buy an expensive atty and burn it up.

Thank you for any time you take to re answer this question for the hundredth time.
 

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I am not going to get into which is better, I tend to not support clones asides from Russian 91%.

Clones are a false economy in most cases. Authentics hold their resale value better. As well they function as intended, while clones may be a hit or a miss.

I say buy what your wallet (or your mind) can afford and make your own decisions.

P.S. It is hard to burn up an atty unless you are trying to, or if you go into rebuilding blind (watch tutorials, read about battery safety). Or you have really bad luck.
 

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I don't think you have to worry much about "burning it up", but there's a number of other things that could be done to damage or break it beyond repair.

I think your reasoning is sound. Begin learning to build on a clone or a cheap authentic. There's nothing at all wrong with the IGO's, and they're less than 10 bucks.
 

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I don't think you have to worry much about "burning it up", but there's a number of other things that could be done to damage or break it beyond repair.

I think your reasoning is sound. Begin learning to build on a clone or a cheap authentic. There's nothing at all wrong with the IGO's, and they're less than 10 bucks.

I have tons of gear and I still use my IGO-L, IGOW, and the discontinued IGO-S :)
 

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I have tons of gear and I still use my IGO-L, IGOW, and the discontinued IGO-S :)

I do a ton of flavor testing. IGO-L's are very inexpensive, so I got a bunch (8). I keep them all coiled and wicked identically, so I can test flavors back-to-back without downtime. 2 posts, 1 air hole is about as simple as can be. When I test, I like as few variables as possible.

And when I said "less than 10 bucks" I meant $6.26 each with free shipping from FT. :D
 

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Here's my opinion of the "thing" with atomizers and how it pertains to the whole clone situation:

All clones are hit or miss. Some "authentic" atomizers are hit or miss too -- but less so, in general. Which is to be expected since quality control standards tend to be less stringent when considering the speed, output quantities, and purchase price of many of these "clone" manufacturers. And so, my experience tells me to aim low....look for the simpler designed, less fiddly looking atomizers when considering a clone. Now this is of course a general rule of thumb, with plenty of exceptions and "almost good enough" clone cases where with just a little bit of sanding, grinding, and other forms of various MacGuyvering, one can easily turn a useless turd into a serviceable plow horse.

As such: dripper or "RDA" clones tend to be less of an overall crapshoot, mainly because they're all pretty simple. But they're drippers, which means you have to drip and maybe wear one of those tacky juice necklaces all the time, or at least keep a bottle of semi-hazardous chemicals in your pocket. Not my thing, but I certainly see the use. I own a dripper and use it pretty much only to taste new juices, try out new wick materials, funky coil arrangements and provide the occasional dude-that's-a-monster-cloud moment. Tanks however, are a different animal entirely, since many of our favorite "RTA's" often rely on sub-millimeter tight tolerances of machining to achieve sufficient vacuum pressure and juiceflow-to-airflow ratios, vapetasticness, etc... But I'm not saying don't get a clone tank. Of the 15 or so tank atties that I have purchased, only 3 are real deals and only 1 of those 3 has been completely fiddle-free and utterly awesome. Hell, my second favorite tank atty only cost me $20, and is really only like a tiny bit less awesome than my current $130 number-one.

Other things to consider:
Clone spare parts can be hard to find and often the available authentic spares will not fit on all of their various clone versions.
Warranties.
High quality spare parts ensure longevity.
Many authentics can be easily resold. Which makes them more valuable or whatever.

The rest is just figuring out what type of atty you're looking for, how you like to vape, aesthetics, etc....

So my advice is this: If you're a bit handy and you're down for the whole "journey" experience, start with a decently reviewed simple design (e.g. single coil setup) clone/budget atty, either tank or dripper. Or one of each.
Tank Examples - EhPro Kayfun Lite + ; ErlprinZ; Lemo

But if you'd rather go straight to the BMW's, bypassing some likely disappointment and headaches, save up some old cigarette dough and hang on for a real nice tank atty and a decent-to-fancy regulated mod. And though the atomizer may seem comparably overpriced, in most cases it will work perfectly right out of the box and then even if it doesn't, at least you'll be adequately motivated to figure it out and get it working right. Because you spent so much money on the darn thing. See member Qorax for a more experienced list of awesome and fancy atomizers/mods. He knows what's up. My sole suggestion, which is based on a relatively limited experience with atomizer fanciness, would be the Erlkonigin. I have one and it is the whip. It cost me well more than any other single vape purchase of the last two years, so much so that my wife gave me a very stern Are-You-Serious? look when she saw the bill and then an excessively prolonged cold-shoulder exercise in emotional willpower. But the thing is that I'd already spent a total of like 5 times as much (over the last 2 years) on all manner of turd-ish other atomizers that I've since either tossed, traded, gifted or otherwise ruefully unloaded. Is my Erlkonigin's awesomeness directly related to overall turditude of its many crappy predecessors? Yeah probably. Does that matter to me? Nope.

Hope this helps. And thanks for getting that old Weird Al song stuck in my head today.
 
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Here's my opinion of the "thing" with atomizers and how it pertains to the whole clone situation:

All clones are hit or miss. Some "authentic" atomizers are hit or miss too -- but less so, in general. Which is to be expected since quality control standards tend to be less stringent when considering the speed, output quantities, and purchase price of many of these "clone" manufacturers. And so, my experience tells me to aim low....look for the simpler designed, less fiddly looking atomizers when considering a clone. Now this is of course a general rule of thumb, with plenty of exceptions and "almost good enough" clone cases where with just a little bit of sanding, grinding, and other forms of various MacGuyvering, one can easily turn a useless turd into a serviceable plow horse.

As such: dripper or "RDA" clones tend to be less of an overall crapshoot, mainly because they're all pretty simple. But they're drippers, which means you have to drip and maybe wear one of those tacky juice necklaces all the time, or at least keep a bottle of semi-hazardous chemicals in your pocket. Not my thing, but I certainly see the use. I own a dripper and use it pretty much only to taste new juices, try out new wick materials, funky coil arrangements and provide the occasional dude-that's-a-monster-cloud moment. Tanks however, are a different animal entirely, since many of our favorite "RTA's" often rely on sub-millimeter tight tolerances of machining to achieve sufficient vacuum pressure and juiceflow-to-airflow ratios, vapetasticness, etc... But I'm not saying don't get a clone tank. Of the 15 or so tank atties that I have purchased, only 3 are real deals and only 1 of those 3 has been completely fiddle-free and utterly awesome. Hell, my second favorite tank atty only cost me $20, and is really only like a tiny bit less awesome than my current $130 number-one.

Other things to consider:
Clone spare parts can be hard to find and often the available authentic spares will not fit on all of their various clone versions.
Warranties.
High quality spare parts ensure longevity.
Many authentics can be easily resold. Which makes them more valuable or whatever.

The rest is just figuring out what type of atty you're looking for, how you like to vape, aesthetics, etc....

So my advice is this: If you're a bit handy and you're down for the whole "journey" experience, start with a decently reviewed simple design (e.g. single coil setup) clone/budget atty, either tank or dripper. Or one of each.
Tank Examples - EhPro Kayfun Lite + ; ErlprinZ; Lemo

But if you'd rather go straight to the BMW's, bypassing some likely disappointment and headaches, save up some old cigarette dough and hang on for a real nice tank atty and a decent-to-fancy regulated mod. And though the atomizer may seem comparably overpriced, in most cases it will work perfectly right out of the box and then even if it doesn't, at least you'll be adequately motivated to figure it out and get it working right. Because you spent so much money on the darn thing. See member Qorax for a more experienced list of awesome and fancy atomizers/mods. He knows what's up. My sole suggestion, which is based on a relatively limited experience with atomizer fanciness, would be the Erlkonigin. I have one and it is the whip. It cost me well more than any other single vape purchase of the last two years, so much so that my wife gave me a very stern Are-You-Serious? look when she saw the bill and then an excessively prolonged cold-shoulder exercise in emotional willpower. But the thing is that I'd already spent a total of like 5 times as much (over the last 2 years) on all manner of turd-ish other atomizers that I've since either tossed, traded, gifted or otherwise ruefully unloaded. Is my Erlkonigin's awesomeness directly related to overall turditude of its many crappy predecessors? Yeah probably. Does that matter to me? Nope.

Hope this helps. And thanks for getting that old Weird Al song stuck in my head today.
I would put the erlkoenigin in the Mercedes class rather than BMW...

My two cents :)

Regards
Tony

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I know that the Erl is your fav but I'm curious as to what the $20 tank is. Mind sharing?

Not at all -- it's my trusty (and not yet rusty) Hcigar Aqua clone. Really spot on and simple design for maximizing the juice and air flows needed to keep up with a real thirsty hot dual coil. And it's soooo easy to refill. And it's sooo much tastier than any of the Five Foggers I have-- or the 6th Fogger that I traded for it. And it's got no glass to break or plastic to crack. The somewhat anemic juice capacity is a only teensy weensy bit irksome. To me. But MAN does a little confidently careful coiling really pay itself off (vapistically speaking) in that little sucker.
 
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Not at all -- it's my trusty (and not yet rusty) Hcigar Aqua clone. Really spot on and simple design for maximizing the juice and air flows needed to keep up with a real thirsty hot dual coil. And it's soooo easy to refill. And it's sooo much tastier than any of the Five Foggers I have-- or the 6th Fogger that I traded for it. And it's got no glass to break or plastic to crack. The somewhat anemic juice capacity is a only teensy weensy bit irksome. To me. But MAN does a little confidently careful coiling really pay itself off (vapistically speaking) in that little sucker.

Thanks! Sounds great and I wouldn't mind trying one but could never take that out of the house with its 1.8ml juice capacity.
 

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Thanks! Sounds great and I wouldn't mind trying one but could never take that out of the house with its 1.8ml juice capacity.


I know it. And I've been sitting here bad-mouthing drippers on account of them requiring constant juice-on-deck-ness or at least some sort of goofy e-liquid jewelry. And here I am with this little monster that has a thimble-sized tank which needs refilling like every 20 minutes. I vape a lot I guess.
 
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There's a hobby aspect of this and there's saving money vs real cigs. $100+ atties work all the same as good quality clones as far as I'm concerned, and clones save you that money. Then there's boredom factor sometimes, and authentics are much harder to put down to try another one given what you spent on them. There are also cheaper chinese companies that make pretty decent and inexpensive authentic units, like Fogger series.

Personal rule of thumb is only spend top dollar on something that sees lots of stress and abuse, and atties generally do not.
 
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