I was bored last night so I.......

[jimmyh]

I was bored last night so I emailed the president. Now before any one goes all negative on me, I do understand he probably will never read it. I can be hopeful but am also a realist. At this point there is really nothing more we can do but wait till the FDA makes their ruling. Any one interested here's the website: Submit Questions & Comments | The White House

 

[realitykid]

I was bored last night so I emailed the president. Now before any one goes all negative on me, I do understand he probably will never read it. I can be hopeful but am also a realist. At this point there is really nothing more we can do but wait till the FDA makes their ruling. Any one interested here's the website: Submit Questions & Comments | The White House

Maybe this is something we should all do? It might help reinforce our stance on the topic and help the president and other political figures to know our feelings in regards to the FDAs plan to regulate and essentially destroy vaping.

I know that I'm going to do it. Hell, I voted for this guy. Might as well shoot him an email letting him know my feelings on the situation and why I believe the FDA should keep their greedy little hands off of the ecigs.

 

[jimmyh]

I even gave him a link to the petition and asked he sign it. I figure start at the top and work your way down, beside he has battled the smoking addiction. The nice thing about this is any one can email him.

 

[zzipy]

Sorry to say, but knowing well how these dog and pony shows happen, this is a DONE deal. FDA WILL regulate and tax and hand it over to big guys. The success of eCigs is going to be its undoing as we know it. Just too much money at stake for big tobacco/pharma to let go.

As interesting reading I would suggest that you google around Donald Rumsfeld and aspartame to get idea of big money and FDA.

Lets hope and pray that they don't take ejuice and turn it into ehealthhorror

 

[Kopfstimmen]

What the hey, I'm going to do it too. It can't hurt. I think it's a great idea, I just didn't have time to search for the link yet. Stay respectful. The last thing you want is the secret service beating on your door.

 

[Gr8Scott]

Sorry to say, but knowing well how these dog and pony shows happen, this is a DONE deal. FDA WILL regulate and tax and hand it over to big guys. The success of eCigs is going to be its undoing as we know it. Just too much money at stake for big tobacco/pharma to let go.

Well I think your are mistaken about that.

We all must not underestimate the immense power we possess as a collective entity.

Big tobacco and Big Pharma are not all powerful. The fact of the matter is that we, the people, outnumber them.

If you want to be intimidated, be intimidated by the potential of our apathy, which is intangible but intensely powerful.

The potential power of what we can do is staggering.

Yet to fully realize that power and make it active we must vanquish the foe of the pre-battle defeatism mentality. Which is a delusion of hopelessness and defeat.

Don't let that, that thing trick you in to giving up or feeling helpless. Seducing you into that crap surrender mentality of "See, I knew it, just like I said, it's hopeless"

There's an old joke about us,(we men, that is,) in marriage that goes something like this:

"Do ya wanna be happy or do ya wanna be right?"

What is this garbage of wanting to be able to say "see, I knew it, told ya it was "such and such" at the cost of victory?

This battle we are waging starts on the inside of each of us. It starts when you stand up on the inside and say:

"No it's not hopeless I am not some mamby-pamby little weenie, I rule the roost and it aint over till it's over!"

You wage that war on the inside of yourself ,first. The all else shall follow.

Your hand will grab the telephone and your voice will be heard by those civil servants!

Your fingers will stroke that keyboard and your opinions will be sent.

Your feet will take you where you need to go to make it happen!

And you will do what is required to fulfill your purpose.

You and you and you and you...each of you and all of US!

Big Pharma and Big Tobacco are bogged down by the big old bureaucratic fustercluck that they helped create. They are bound by laws, systems, and protocols. "Ways" of doing things. Fill out a form, file a motion, have a hearing.

We, are not bound by such rules.

Talk to anybody or everybody who will listen. Bug the media. Pester your elected officials, annoy them.

Remember you are not just little old you. You are related to ,and know people who are "related to other people who know people and" on and on until..........

Well, what is the population of your city, your state and etc.

All of us need to realize our collective power.

Power as a force, power in innovative ideas, power in organization.

Look at the internet. Powered by people.

I choose the path of victory.

I choose to honor my forefathers. A bunch of everyday simple folk with muskets who put out an empire because they ventured to risk the possibility of not being"right".

 

[Bosco]

Sorry to say, but knowing well how these dog and pony shows happen, this is a DONE deal. FDA WILL regulate and tax and hand it over to big guys. The success of eCigs is going to be its undoing as we know it. Just too much money at stake for big tobacco/pharma to let go.

As interesting reading I would suggest that you google around Donald Rumsfeld and aspartame to get idea of big money and FDA.

Lets hope and pray that they don't take ejuice and turn it into ehealthhorror

I would agree with you in one sense . .the FDA already knows what it wants to and plans to do. However, they can be stopped if enough people express thier outrage. Not saying that will happen or that it's even likely but they want you to just give up and think that there's nothing you can do. In actuality, if enough people are outraged and respond, *any* law or regulation can eventually be overturned.

 

[zapped]

Sorry to say, but knowing well how these dog and pony shows happen, this is a DONE deal. FDA WILL regulate and tax and hand it over to big guys. The success of eCigs is going to be its undoing as we know it. Just too much money at stake for big tobacco/pharma to let go.

As interesting reading I would suggest that you google around Donald Rumsfeld and aspartame to get idea of big money and FDA.

Lets hope and pray that they don't take ejuice and turn it into ehealthhorror

The last three years wouldnt have been possible in vaping if everyone shared that opinion.

 

[zapped]

To follow up on that. If it aint worth fighting for it aint worth doing in the first place.

 

[zzipy]

zapped, I guess you can fault me for the jaundiced view I have. I would love to be wrong, but in last 3 years the numbers of users and corresponding $$$ have increased in an explosive manner. The big guys were watching the game now they want to own the league.
I get the people power and all , and now and then french revolution happens, egypt happens .... but more often nothing happens that does not benefit the big money. We have entered the age of mooolah monarchy. If the financial crisis did not clearly print it and put it a nice frame next to our constitution for us, I don't know what will!!!


The ecigs will be here, but not as the transparent, healthier and cheaper alternative as we love it now but rather as a medium for the big money to get more monied.

 

[Beretta]

I was bored last night so I emailed the president. Now before any one goes all negative on me, I do understand he probably will never read it. I can be hopeful but am also a realist. At this point there is really nothing more we can do but wait till the FDA makes their ruling. Any one interested here's the website: Submit Questions & Comments | The White House

Everyone, with all due respect, you've got it all wrong here. We have three branches of government, executive (FDA resides here), legislative, and judicial. Please stop focusing ALL your efforts on the executive branch! We need to go with the legislative branch.

We can still petition the (executive) administration on our views and what we want, but that's not how a republic works folks. We have both federal and state LAWMAKERS that we can contact to pass a bill, which will make whatever the FDA does, or wants to do, a moot effort. The FDA can go pound sand after that, and whine and cry.

We need the leaders of this community (ECF) to organize a bill starting at the federal level, with sympathetic congressmen who want to see smoking analogs replaced with a less harmful alternative. This needs to be fully explained to lawmakers all across the country. We need to get co-sponsors to the bill, many many of them. This is where ECF comes in. Each ECF member contacts their representative in their district, strongly urging them to support the original bill. Then we put pressure on key congress members we need to get the votes to pass the bill. Legislators view ONE single phone call as representing MANY of their constituents, not just one. It's a numbers game, and your effort to contact your legislator COUNTS BIG TIME.

It's time to nip the FDA efforts in the bud, and bypass them with a bill written by CASSA, and supportive lawmakers in the legislative branch.

 

[Tankman77]

What the heck...Imma send an email on over too!!!
If we stand in solidarity, unity and give a thundering voice as a collective community, we could instill hope.
In the end, we might all get *#^%@*, but not by laying down and taking it submisively.

 

[Tankman77]

Everyone, with all due respect, you've got it all wrong here. We have three branches of government, executive (FDA resides here), legislative, and judicial. Please stop focusing ALL your efforts on the executive branch! We need to go with the legislative branch.

We can still petition the (executive) administration on our views and what we want, but that's not how a republic works folks. We have both federal and state LAWMAKERS that we can contact to pass a bill, which will make whatever the FDA does, or wants to do, a moot effort. The FDA can go pound sand after that, and whine and cry.

We need the leaders of this community (ECF) to organize a bill starting at the federal level, with sympathetic congressmen who want to see smoking analogs replaced with a less harmful alternative. This needs to be fully explained to lawmakers all across the country. We need to get co-sponsors to the bill, many many of them. This is where ECF comes in. Each ECF member contacts their representative in their district, strongly urging them to support the original bill. Then we put pressure on key congress members we need to get the votes to pass the bill. Legislators view ONE single phone call as representing MANY of their constituents, not just one. It's a numbers game, and your effort to contact your legislator COUNTS BIG TIME.

It's time to nip the FDA efforts in the bud, and bypass them with a bill written by CASSA, and supportive lawmakers in the legislative branch.

I LIKE THAT!!
I fully endorse a bill drafted by the CASSA. Start at local government and legislature and move up throught the legislative chain. You got my support......NOW where do I sign????
Happy Vapes to all......

 

[dennis_j]

with the money being spent on ecig,and juice ,and vaping items,and the gov. not getting there share of the taxes on these are our problem right now ,this gov wants to tax every thing you do and will not stop untill they get there share of the pot...they don't care a bout health, just the money they can get from anything,YOU USE...

 

[Beretta]

I LIKE THAT!!
I fully endorse a bill drafted by the CASSA. Start at local government and legislature and move up throught the legislative chain. You got my support......NOW where do I sign????
Happy Vapes to all......

I've been waiting for someone from CASSA or the ECF community to even acknowledge a plan like this. Next we need action.

 

[DC2]

I've been waiting for someone from CASSA or the ECF community to even acknowledge a plan like this. Next we need action.

Have you contacted CASAA to get their opinion and/or feedback?

 

[patkin]

I would agree with you in one sense . .the FDA already knows what it wants to and plans to do. However, they can be stopped if enough people express thier outrage. Not saying that will happen or that it's even likely but they want you to just give up and think that there's nothing you can do. In actuality, if enough people are outraged and respond, *any* law or regulation can eventually be overturned.

As any election or regulation clearly shows... yes voices are heard but what's not considered is WHICH voices. There are more of them and louder ones outraged about vaping than their are for it. That is exactly how the corrupt always win. They influence the emotional masses, brainwash them, etc to get the numbers on their side before they act. And, no, they're not above lying to do it. Watched the news lately?

 

[jimmyh]

Local government doesn't care, I live in NY. They went after the Indians selling smokes, after signing a contract with them on casino's, NY put some up themselves. Go ahead trust your local government, just ask an Indian. The welcome sign entering NY should say "Bend over, Here it comes, It won't hurt much"

 

[realitykid]

Using the link supplied to us in the first post, I have send a message to the President and his staff in hopes that my voice will matter to them.

Dear Mr. President and Staff,

As someone who voted for you, I am coming to you to help us with our concerns.

For a year and a half I had been smoking cigarettes, and many others longer than me. Recently I began something called "vaping" as an alternative to smoking. If you know about the E Cigarette craze that is going on, then you know what vaping is.

The concern that myself and the vaping community shares is the FDA trying to regulate E Cigarette sales in a way that would completely destroy vaping in favor of the tobacco companies.

If the FDA are allowed to regulate E Cigs, they would force the E Cig manufacturers and suppliers to create and sell only 4mg juices where the 4mg is the amount of nicotine in the juice. As you may know, cigarettes contain around 18mg of nicotine. The 4mg restriction will make E Cigs an non-viable alternative to smoking.

The FDA is trying to claim that E Cigs are no healthier than smoking actual cigarettes. Yet people, who vape instead of smoke, have experienced the opposite. Many have noticed an increase in their overall health after switching from cigarettes and beginning to use E Cigs. I myself have even noticed that, after a few days of vaping instead of smoking, I can no longer stand the taste of an actual cigarette.

As it stands, E Cigs are not allowed to be sold to anyone under the legal smoking age. So, I don't understand why the FDA needs to get involved in regulating them to a point in which E Cigs will no longer be a viable alternative to smoking for those of us who are legally able to make our own decisions.

Please, on behalf of the committed vapers in America, stand with us against allowing the FDA to step on our freedom to vape and try to force us back into alternatives that do not work for us (gum, prescription medication, etc.) or back to smoking entirely.

Without E Cigs being an alternative, I would never have been able to quit smoking. So please do not stand idly by while the FDA and the tobacco companies attempt to overthrow our freedoms in the interest of lining their own wallets.

Thank you for your time in reading this and your consideration. I have left a link below if you would like to interact with an online community of vapers to try and get their views on this situation.