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justagurlinseattle

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Carry on vaping or quit altogether if vaping became prohibitively expensive, like many others I'm building my stock of nic liquid up and will have at least 7 years worth by next April which is when tpd will hit the UK. Long-term I'm not too worried research and evidence on ecigs won't stop and eventually governments will embrace it no doubt with a tax rate applied just gotta stock up enough to get you through the political stupid period.


You have way more confidence in governments, than I do, that is for sure... :D

Governments are really GOOD at taking way rights, not so good at re-establishing them.
Once they ban something, that is pretty much it.
It would take a HUGE lobby, a ton of money, and getting some key support from
The Powers That Be. :D

The Anti-Fun people, sure have a strangle hold on governments, and they are
very organized.
 

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You have way more confidence in governments, than I do, that is for sure... :D

Governments are really GOOD at taking way rights, not so good at re-establishing them.
Once they ban something, that is pretty much it.
It would take a HUGE lobby, a ton of money, and getting some key support from
The Powers That Be. :D

The Anti-Fun people, sure have a strangle hold on governments, and they are
very organized.
And yet, prohibition of other things has been a miserable failure both societally and economically for over 80 years. Vaping isn't going away, ...ever. It will definitely see a changed landscape, either for better, or worse, but with the info age and the invisible hand of economics, there will always be a demand and a supply chain. If the government oversteps, and enough people make a stink about it, things will indeed change for the better. If we just suck it up, then we as a whole deserve what we get. If you really care, make your voice heard! E-mail your representatives, call them, let them know where you stand.
 
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And yet, prohibition of other things has been a miserable failure both societally and economically for over 80 years. Vaping isn't going away, ...ever. It will definitely see a changed landscape, either for better, or worse, but with the info age and the invisible hand of economics, there will always be a demand and a supply chain. If the government oversteps, and enough people make a stink about it, things will indeed change for the better. If we just suck it up, then we as a whole deserve what we get. If you really care, make your voice heard! E-mail your representatives, call them, let them know where you stand.


You have to understand, I am talking on a more global level, not just the USA. :)

Prohibition of most things is usually a major failure. They don't much learn from their mistakes though.
Alcohol Prohibition is pretty much the only one that I can
think of that was reversed within a somewhat reasonable time period.
Once they prohibit something, they usually do not reverse course in a timely
manner.

Look at pot for example, pot was banned in 1937, now, almost 80 years later, even with the studies proving it's medicinal value and safety,
the US Government is still dragging it's feet on reversing that ban even though the people
have been voting for it to be legalized. Doctors have been in support of overturning the ban on
pot for a long time, knowing it would help cancer patients, yet, the USA
is still not on board.
Then look at the rest of the world, other than a FEW countries, 2 or 3 where it is legal, pot is
banned throughout the world, and those countries do not seem to be moving towards
legalizing it.

Fact is, Hawaii has banned e-cigs, along with some other states.
MANY Countries have banned e-cigs, it is a problem all over the world. I live in the EU,
I have no confidence what so ever in the EU doing the logical thing.
The EU is known for making ridiculous laws.

A few years back the EU Scientific Committee on Consumer Safety
made some rather strict recommendations on popular NATURAL fragrance oils that are used in
many iconic perfumes, these rules now ban the use of Oak Moss and Jasmin, just to name a few,
with Rose Oil soon to also be on the chopping block.

They made this recommendation due to 1% - 3% of the population (mostly Northern Europeans) possibly being allergic to these oils,
and that they MIGHT cause a small skin rash.
http://news.nationalpost.com/life/s...w-eu-rules-could-result-in-banned-ingredients

So, see why I don't have a lot of confidence in many governments, and their being logical,
and or overturning bans, once new evidence has come to light.
 
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Scenario B is simple: Quit. I'd already quit cigarettes (along with cigars, pipes, and dip) for over a decade when I started vaping over because I was a new father and refused to let something as stupid as tobacco risk leaving my kids without a father. Also, as someone who's been asthmatic since a child, that crap was definitely not helping me breathe any. I got into vaping as a way to relive my nicotine fixation with an apparently substantially reduced risk profile. If evidence emerges showing similar levels of lung damage from vaping as smoking, I'd suck it up and quit nicotine again. I really enjoy vaping and nicotine, but definitely not enough to justify continuing at a known risk factor equivalent to smoking.

Scenario A is iffier. If someone found a way to make my vaping as expensive as smoking in NYS (average pack cost is over $12 :shock:), I'd probably quit once my existing stock was gone but I can't say that for certain. It's a question with a lot of unspecified parameters. I now DIY 100% of my juice, build my own coils and wicks, and I'm not a gear horder. If vaping in general was as expensive as smoking, it's still very likely for someone like me it would still be a lot cheaper, just more expensive than it is now. I'd have to weigh exactly how much more expensive it was for me to see if continuing was justified or not.
 

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Look at pot for example, ......... was banned in 1937, now, almost 80 years later, even with the studies proving it's medicinal value and safety,
the US Government is still dragging it's feet on reversing that ban even though the people
have been voting for it to be legalized. Doctors have been in support of overturning the ban on
......... for a long time, knowing it would help cancer patients, yet, the USA
is still not on board.

You see how Big Pharma and Big Tobacco are acting about e-cigs? Well throw Big Liquor into that mess, and you'll understand why the gov't has been so loathe to actually be reasonable -- they're being paid VERY well by THREE very deep-pocket lobbies to stay unreasonable about that stuff.

Andria
 

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You see how Big Pharma and Big Tobacco are acting about e-cigs? Well throw Big Liquor into that mess, and you'll understand why the gov't has been so loathe to actually be reasonable -- they're being paid VERY well by THREE very deep-pocket lobbies to stay unreasonable about that stuff.

Andria


Exactly... Then throw in the "What About the Children" crowd and their lobbying
efforts, and it is a major disaster.

There are a LOT of variables in play on this, just ONE of them being Governments are
dumb as hell. If they were a person, they would have the IQ of a carrot, and and
very corrupt.
They like to listen to "The Money", not the studies.
 
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i love how most people ignored the second question....lol smh

My answer would be the same for both questions......... I don't vape rather than smoke for health reasons....... My change to the Vapor is purely a Cost thing for me. At about $0.75 a day vs. $6.00, that leaves me more money for medical treatments if the need arises.
 

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Exactly... Then throw in the "What About the Children" crowd and their lobbying
efforts, and it is a major disaster.

There are a LOT of variables in play on this, just ONE of them being Governments are
dumb as hell. If they were a person, they would have the IQ of a carrot, and and
very corrupt.
They like to listen to "The Money", not the studies.

The funny thing is... when I was in high school, I could FAR more easily get hold of that {other stuff} than I could alcohol, JUST BECAUSE it was black-market -- I had a hard time getting alcohol until I was 17-18 (the drinking age was then 18), but the {other stuff}, easy peasy since I was 14 yrs old.

Apparently that's the sort of situation the ANTZ nannies *want* RE: adolescents and vaping.

Andria
 

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The funny thing is... when I was in high school, I could FAR more easily get hold of that {other stuff} than I could alcohol, JUST BECAUSE it was black-market -- I had a hard time getting alcohol until I was 17-18 (the drinking age was then 18), but the {other stuff}, easy peasy since I was 14 yrs old.

Apparently that's the sort of situation the ANTZ nannies *want* RE: adolescents and vaping.

Andria


LOL.. ain't that the truth.. :D

I totally hear what you're saying... You would think they would learn by now... NOPE!!!
 
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When has banning anything ever worked out for humanity?

Or put another way, what you resist, persists.

People prone to banning think that will stop people from engaging in it. Not that they think everyone will stop, but will say things like, "if it stops just one person, then it was worth it." That's working real well with forbidding killing on this planet, which can be justified 6 ways to Sunday given the right parameters.

People (some vapers) want smoking banned, while vaping is allowed. Me, I say allow both and just be honest with what they actually entail. Instead, it is competing interests, and most of what mainstream ever hears is negatives (or cons) about using either. Kids are indoctrinated on the cons, then thru self discovery get to discover how hyped up that propaganda is, equating it to deception (rightfully so). Realizing there are pros and that enjoyment can be had, despite what naysayers wish to claim.

Anyway, when banning does start working as intended, then perhaps that crowd will have a leg to stand on. For now, those who think allowing everything would lead to anarchy need to realize, you are living in a world where anarchy is clearly occurring. (And has been for only about 10 million years.)
 

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When has banning anything ever worked out for humanity?

Or put another way, what you resist, persists.

People prone to banning think that will stop people from engaging in it. Not that they think everyone will stop, but will say things like, "if it stops just one person, then it was worth it." That's working real well with forbidding killing on this planet, which can be justified 6 ways to Sunday given the right parameters.

People (some vapers) want smoking banned, while vaping is allowed. Me, I say allow both and just be honest with what they actually entail. Instead, it is competing interests, and most of what mainstream ever hears is negatives (or cons) about using either. Kids are indoctrinated on the cons, then thru self discovery get to discover how hyped up that propaganda is, equating it to deception (rightfully so). Realizing there are pros and that enjoyment can be had, despite what naysayers wish to claim.

Anyway, when banning does start working as intended, then perhaps that crowd will have a leg to stand on. For now, those who think allowing everything would lead to anarchy need to realize, you are living in a world where anarchy is clearly occurring. (And has been for only about 10 million years.)



Amen to that.
Not much I can add to what you said so beautifully.


I have a 17 year old daughter.. I have always been very honest with her on smoking, vaping
and even drugs. Actually especially drugs.
and yes, I tell her that there is way too much overreaction on All fronts.
I also told her that if she ever felt that she wanted to smoke, that I would prefer
her vaping. This is because I know how hard it is to quit smoking, for me, almost impossible.
 
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