A little scared

[Frenchfry1942]

I was glad to see someone mention the effects of alcohol on society. Yet the government permits it because of the money they get from taxes. It is the same for cigarettes.

Since vaping has come along and taken the profits from the tobacco companies and the tax revenues from the government, war on vaping is declared. And, since vaping is getting a positive review from ex-smokers, the tobacco companies are getting in on the e-cigarette business.

We just have to be examples and tell our story when we can. My doctor told me it's better, shows me my x-rays and lab tests, and I feel it in so many ways.

There is a lot of news that is, as a minimum, deceptive. It has an agenda. Free speech has its downsides.

Vaping is far better than smoking.

 

[Rossum]

I was glad to see someone mention the effects of alcohol on society. Yet the government permits it because of the money they get from taxes.

I'm not that it's just due to taxes. There are consequences besides just a loss of revenue to banning stuff that lots of people want and refuse to give up.

 

[evan le'garde]

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nevermind

 

[CMD-Ky]

I'm not that it's just due to taxes. There are consequences besides just a loss of revenue to banning stuff that lots of people want and refuse to give up.

Enter Al Capone filing a vacuum created by Amendment XVIII

 

[Vaperer]

To the original poster.
If you're that scared to vape then quit?
Vaping cannot hurt you. Cigarettes will kill you.

 

[MacTechVpr]

"NNAL level in E-cig smokers is 97% lower than in tobacco smokers…"

I don't think such reports can effectively extrapolate the potential incidence of cancer any more than they can the weather in the long term.

But stressing over it will kill you faster than anything.

Good luck.

 

[Dubminer]

More good vaping news.

UK Government Doubles Down on Vaping / Vaping.com - Your One Stop Vapor Shop | vaping.com

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

i remember a professor of mine many years ago ( he was a research PhD) explaining "Curve Fitting", as i remember it starts with a desired outcome and then builds the data to support the theory

Absolutely. Start with a reasonable assumption, throw same data at it and calibrate until the model finds evidence for your preconceived outcome. Then stop, publish your findings and recommend further study.

You'll make bank and get a show on PBS.

 

[Kickingthesticks]

According to the internet I should be dead lol......

 

[CMD-Ky]

The is no button that fits so....

Absolutely. Start with a reasonable assumption, throw same data at it and calibrate until the model finds evidence for your preconceived outcome. Then stop, publish your findings and recommend further study.

You'll make bank and get a show on PBS.

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[Rossum]

Vaping cannot is unlikely to hurt you. Cigarettes will might kill you.

Fixed that for you. There are no absolute certainties when it comes to this stuff.

 

[stols001]

Eh, I've seen other centurians who look FAR healthier.

With that said, yes, you will get the odd outlier who smokes for a lifetime, with little harm. I just hope she didn't take her oxygen tank off for the occasion or anything. Also, the fact that the occasional person lives to 100 and is still healthy and smoking.... ??? Well, I sure wasn't that person, after almost developing COPD at age 43.

I don't think that pic is particularly cute or charming.... Also, we don't know when she started, if she ever quit for a time, etc. I was fairly convinced when "giving up" smoking pregnant at 22, that I would return to smoking if I ever hit 70, because my quality of life would be poor. That didn't work out as planned....

Anna

 

[untar]

I would bet my grandmas panties that the article said vaping may cause cancer, at least that's exactly what the study it's based on says. An asteroid might hit you or you may win the lottery, without quantifying such a statement it is basically useless to decisionmaking. There is, as of now, no definitive link between cancer in humans and vaping, establishing such a link also isn't an easy matter. They put white blood cells into pure eliquid and they got damaged. Since we don't inject the liquid intravenously I doubt that tells us much about vaping. Would those same cells die if I submerge them in alcohol?
What we know for sure is that it's orders of magnitude less harmful than smoking

I will happily say though that less harmful doesn't mean harmless, if you want the maximum possible risk reduction then don't vape (and don't smoke, obviously). If you want to stop smoking but can't then vaping is a far safer option.

 

[MacTechVpr]

All life is risk.

Good luck.

[Gratuitous recommendation follows.]

 

[Lo in LA]

Yeah you made some good points and that makes slot of sense actually. So thank you for that, you’re right . The best thing to do is to keep vaping . The study I read just said that nicotine has something to do with it. I’m going to try and find it , and I’ll post it on here.


Yeah you made some good points and that makes slot of sense actually. So thank you for that, you’re right . The best thing to do is to keep vaping . The study I read just said that nicotine has something to do with it. I’m going to try and find it , and I’ll post it on here.

 

[Lo in LA]

I saw a study published recently that concluded that vaping is safer than smoking. The biggest issue was regarding nicotine bc it is an addictive substance regardless of how it's introduced into the body. However, I do know a few ppl that have weaned off of nicotine and vape just to "feel" like they still smoke. It ends up being more about satisfying a habit than needing nicotine.
My bf and I quit smoking and began vaping 4 months ago and his "smokers cough" is already gone along with the wheezing sound in his chest. We both smoked for over 35 years and in only a few months can feel the difference. If vaping does end up causing cancer, so does pollution and several other environmental factors. I hope you don't go back to cigs when it's possible to vape without the nicotine.

 

[Opinionated]

I smoked for 32 years of my life. Began at the age of 13 and ended almost 4 years ago. Vaping was the only thing I had found to help get me off cigarettes, and believe me I tried everything multiple times.

I was 27 the first time I tried to quit.

In 2008 I was having throat problems so my doctor put a camera down my throat to see what was wrong and told me my throat was ate up with pre-cancer cells. Told me if i quit smoking i might still have a chance.

By 2008 I was hospitalized at least once a year with pneumonia - smoking related.

By 2014 I couldn't breathe well enough to make it to my mailbox without taking several rest breaks.

From the time I was 27 to 2014 I made attempts to quit smoking two to three times every year. Tried everything known to man, prescription and non prescription both. Couldn't quit til I found vaping.

Since I began vaping in 2014, my health has done a complete 180. I can breathe better than I can ever remember breathing in my life, my lungs function better, my blood pressure is improved, my pain level is down generally speaking because of the increased oxygen levels, I heal faster overall and I've only had pneumonia once since I started vaping.

In short, vaping saved my life. I don't know what my throat looks like now but honestly I don't want to know - but the problems there were 100% attributable to smoking.

I am a healthier happier person now that I stopped smoking.

Are there potential dangers in vaping? Well yes the only thing that's 100% safe is breathing clean air.

But does it contain the same levels of potential dangers inherent in smoking? No! It's much safer!

People die of smoke inhalation, combustible smoking cigarettes is suicide, plain and simple.. same as if you set your house on fire and breathed in the smoke all around you..

If your choice is to vape or wait for cigarettes to kill you, I'd definitely choose the one with less potential dangers - I'd choose vaping.

I have, and it saved my life. It's up to you to decide, but I can promise you that feeling like your being suffocated and unable to breathe is a frightening and miserable way to die.

I don't pay attention to biased "studies " for this reason. I know factually which is better for a smoker to do.. and it's to quit smoking.. even if you have to vape to stay that way.

I do wonder sometimes, why these anti-vaper people would rather see us dead than to see us have a chance at a healthier life. I guess they see us as disposable.

 

[Reyth_]

Breathing may cause cancer.

I like how nicotine is in food, naturally.

 

[GeorgeFeb]

Life causes death! Hundred percent!

 

[KatlandKat]

Can I point out that this isn't the same link that I posted from CRUK - despite the title being the same...

The news items about junk science and vaping get recycled from one news place to another. I also feel that the Anti smoking/vaping organizations send request to news places to put them on.

I saw a study published recently that concluded that vaping is safer than smoking. The biggest issue was regarding nicotine bc it is an addictive substance regardless of how it's introduced into the body. However, I do know a few ppl that have weaned off of nicotine and vape just to "feel" like they still smoke. It ends up being more about satisfying a habit than needing nicotine.

I on the other hand fully believe that nicotine has some very positive uses and that I function better with nicotine. Some day we will know this stuff when this battle is over. Some research has already been done over the benefits of nicotine. Not my goal at all in vaping to get down to zero nicotine.