If You Don't Know Anything About Vaping, Don't Open a Vape Shop

[T0rtitude]

As a private teacher/tutor, I find this absurd.

As someone who went to public school and uses daily what I learned, I find this incredibly ignorant.

As someone who still has a small vestige of faith in the possibility of a functioning democracy, and who believes a actual liberal arts education is essential to a functioning democracy, I find this belief dangerous.

This thread is about b&m's and their lack of knowledge in running a business. I was simply stating my stance before in not educating business owners but being polite to them nonetheless. Anything not related to that belongs in pm. But you're entitled to your opinion as am I, and I respect that. Good day to you.

 

[Midniteoyl]

In all honest, that's like walking into a computer store now days and asking for a 486. It's pretty outdated for vaping and I can understand them not knowing about it.

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Agreed and exactly what I was thinking... Never heard of it and I doubt many who started in the last 9-12 months have ever used them..

 

[Nate760]

Every vape shop that I have been to do not carry these.

Wait, what? Two posts ago you claimed never to have heard of a Joyetech atty. Now you're confidently asserting that every vape shop you've ever been to doesn't sell them.

You've just made me laugh for a variety of different reasons. Thank you.

 

[Midniteoyl]

As we all know, vaping is under the microscope of the FDA and being heavily scrutinized by the media

For someone to open up a vape shop with very limited knowledge of vaping is not what this industry needs right now.

I understand people's needs to "cash in" on the latest fad / phenomenom...but do it in something that doesn't involve dealing with sub ohming and unprotected batteries.

One piece of bad advice from someone who doesn't know what they're talking about could result in someone being seriously hurt..or worse.

Not really the bad publicity vaping needs right now

Just 'cause its a ecig shop doesnt mean they are into, or sell, sub-ohm stuff... Same as every car shop is not a modders shop.. Or every computer shop is into gaming.. There are different levels to this. The trick is to find that shop that fit your needs, not force them to fit yours.

 

[Nate760]

Cussing at strangers is just unnecessary.

???.......

 

[BostonVape]

Thanks for a good laugh! This is happening all too often for people who have money looking to capitalize on the growing e-cig industry.. We will only see this more and more as the year progresses ..

I have about 6 new shops that have opened in my area and while not as bad as your experience.. they still have no idea what they are doing. Sure they carry a ton of products and mods, but if you ask any details about them.. the good ol' blank stare awaits!

 

[Midniteoyl]

That's true, but on the other hand, the more mainstream this whole thing gets, the better. I take comfort in the fact that I can randomly see people out vaping during the day...that's the only thing that gives me hope that the regulations won't pass, at least in their current forum (treated as tobacco products).

I also question how much of an impact the grassroots movement can have overall with how hard the FDA is pushing this thing- if the Chinese companies got involved and started lobbying out the ..., I think we'd all be much better off (they may already be I guess). Anyway, wrong thread, sorry.

OP, I agree that the store owners were a little ridiculous, especially with the bag of rusty atomizers (if true, REALLY hard to believe). But yeah, you came off as pretty rude, obnoxious, and childish, and if you can't even see why on reflection, then sorry to say but there's no hope. Some people are just .......s I guess.

Sorry I didn't start vaping until 2013, but this is literally the first time I've ever heard mention of the Joyetech Type A atomizer, and I am a registered member at 7 different forums. Perhaps they never came up in my initial research because they are no longer relevant in the vaping world? I would guess that CE4s and CE5s or some iteration of those are the most common individual atomizer type currently, followed by the Protank series, judging by the bajillion starter kits sold each day consisting of those items.

CE4's and EVODs... Most common type ever

 

[Nate760]

Agreed and exactly what I was thinking... Never heard of it and I doubt many who started in the last 9-12 months have ever used them..

"I've never heard of it, therefore no one uses it and it's not relevant."

Lawl.

 

[Midniteoyl]

I'm 100 % for going mainstream...in a positive way

People that open vaping stores without the proper knowledge of the products they are selling is not positive.

I relate it to someone who likes guns but has never held or fired one in their life..opening up a firearms store.

You might say apples to oranges but is it really?

Stacked batteries in a mod can go off with the same effect as a hand grenade

What I'm really saying is if someone wants to open a store know the product..or hire someone who does, If they can't..don't open a shop

But again, they were'nt actually selling them. They prolly got that baggie thrown is on a deal.

As for stacking, there's at least one forum I've seen full of vapors who think its complete bull, and ridicule this forum for saying it... So, what do we do then?

 

[BostonVape]

No one has to educate them. I'm a firm believer in not educating anyone, ever. People who want to learn will educate themselves. That's why we have libraries and Google. Teachers are a waste of tax dollars, etc. My issue is purely with politeness. I'm huge on treating others the way you'd want to be treated even if they're the biggest mental midgets on the planet. So when someone opens a business and doesn't know what they're doing, I think it's better to simply say, "You can't buy coils from some ***** **** off the streets. If you don't want to be filing for bankruptcy in 3 months then you'd better quickly educate yourself. Start with Google if you want to learn more." Then walk out of the store without spending a dime. Cussing at strangers is just unnecessary.

Teachers are a waste of tax dollars huh? And what do you do for work good sir? I have a feeling your formal education was directly from google.. and it shows.

 

[DeadbeatJeff]

This thread is about b&m's and their lack of knowledge in running a business. I was simply stating my stance before in not educating business owners but being polite to them nonetheless. Anything not related to that belongs in pm. But you're entitled to your opinion as am I, and I respect that. Good day to you.

yet you said "Teachers are a waste of tax dollars, etc."

and I'll put what I want in the thread thx

 

[DeadbeatJeff]

Agreed and exactly what I was thinking... Never heard of it and I doubt many who started in the last 9-12 months have ever used them..

c'mon

no just no

You're saying no one who's started in the last year uses Joyetech products? or has ever used them?

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[Midniteoyl]

...And just for good measure, I checked the store's website before I went down there, and when I searched for Joyetech type A atomizer heads, it returned a photograph, a detailed item description, and a heading that said "200+ in stock."

Most likely just a rebranded web store front for a drop shipper. When I owned my own computer biz, I had an online store that searched, sold, and drop shipped from the distributor. I didnt always know everything that was sold, nor knew about everything they carried.

 

[Midniteoyl]

I'm not sure where the disconnect is in this thread, but my experience tells me that someone owning and directly running a niche business whilst lacking intimate knowledge of the product/niche is not a good thing.


Let's crash check this, if I visit a wine shop, I expect the vendor to know his wines, as they specialize in wine. If I go to a tobacco shop, I expect the vendor to know his tobacco. If I go to an auto parts store, they better be able to (at the very least) put the info into the computer and get me the right part - based on what I am asking for. I don't expect that they can fix my car, as they're a parts store - but I do expect that they can give me the parts I ask for based on what I am telling them / asking them for.

OK.. go into ANY auto parts store and ask for ANY Audi part other than brakes/oil filter/air cleaner.. ANY part.. see how far you get

 

[Midniteoyl]

My least favorite vape/smoke shop is the one run by people who don't vape or smoke. You know, the "there was already an ice cream shop and a convenience store here so I opened a smoke shop" store.

In this kinda shop they will have all the products, and will likely know what they all are, kinda, but will have terrible customer service and TERRIBLE advice, also the worst POS clones of everything money can buy... the ones that work like crap but are indistinguishable on the surface and box and label from "real" clones. Shops that sell fake Vision products, who maybe have Ithaka clones labeled as "Russian" clones (totally not based on an actual experience lol), and who sell products with broken O-rings and missing parts, but don't really know enough about the device to know something is wrong, who never check their devices anyway.

These are the shops that exist purely to profit from people's addictions, and before vaping became a thing were selling knock-off hookahs and semi-overpriced cigars and cigarettes.

I don't like the vibe in these kinda places. I won't buy vape gear or juice from people who don't vape.

Not sure what my point is; have been up for way too long.

You just described every 'Smoke Shop' I have ever been in

 

[Midniteoyl]

"I've never heard of it, therefore no one uses it and it's not relevant."

Lawl.

Didnt say that.. read again.

 

[Equilibrium]

Good Lord!! at some the replies in this thread!

It's about customer service and if you don't know the product you're selling... you aren't providing your customer with any service. Except for maybe miss-information.

I mean come on... Even I know a Dr's office is called a "practice" BUT I want one that's been well educated!

 

[Midniteoyl]

c'mon

no just no

You're saying no one who's started in the last year uses Joyetech products? or has ever used them?

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No.. 'Type A' atomizers... And, generally, 'newbs' have no idea what an atomizer is anyways.. Most shops that have started up, including shops that have started to carry ecigs' are for the newbs. They neither want, nor care about, atomizers. Only that it looks good, works, and easy to use. That means, for the most part, clearomizers and tanks along with some fancy looking (but cheap) batteries to power them.

As I said in another post, most car shops are not 'modding shops'. If you want to mod, you find a shop that deals in that. This industry is starting to take off, and for better or for worse, that means catering to the newb. Simple example would be the Harley explosion of the last 15 years or so.. Tons of 'new' bikes that only catered to the newb and casuals..

 

[Big Southpaw]

The Vaping thing reminds me for all the world of the baseball card craze of the late 1980s (which I was very much a part of). Shops opened on every corner, often by people who didn't know Willie McCovey from Willie Crawford. But at the time, the simple reselling of wax boxes would yield huge profits. Didn't last too long. I predict we will see more Vape shops, then profoundly less. I only hope some idiot with a store trying to mix juice in a sink doesn't kill someone.

 

[Midniteoyl]

The Vaping thing reminds me for all the world of the baseball card craze of the late 1980s (which I was very much a part of). Shops opened on every corner, often by people who didn't know Willie McCovey from Willie Crawford. But at the time, the simple reselling of wax boxes would yield huge profits. Didn't last too long. I predict we will see more Vape shops, then profoundly less. I only hope some idiot with a story trying to mix juice in a sink doesn't kill someone.

Agreed...


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