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[CES]

Guybrush, when i started i used a penstyle (kro80d) and went through about 3-4 mls a day or 24 mg/ml liquid (~72s mgs/day) . It took me about 6 weeks to move exclusively to vaping, but my cigarette consumption kept dropping during that time. I dealt with my cravings by smoking. They just got fewer and fewer fairly quickly.

After about 8 months of being smoke-free i went to 18mgs/ml. I still used cartomizers, but had switched to an ego battery. My decreases in nicotine intake has been really, really gradual. When i noticed that the nicotine made me anxious i decreased the concentration. Partly that was time, and partly because over the equipment has improved so much over the past 5 years. I now use iSticks with tanks (mini nautilus, aspire, GS16) or reos, and vape ~ 7ml of 1-2mg/ml a day (~ 10 mg/day)

I think it's possible that the e-roll isn't very effective at delivering nicotine- at least there are some early reports that the first generation ciagalikes aren't as effective, so trying a different set up may make a huge difference for you. i would suggest trying at least an ego class (second generation) or above, with a refillable tank of some sort.

If after a bit of time and a set up that is refillable and has a reasonable battery life, you find that you're using fairly high nicotine (>24mg/ml) and still have strong cravings, you may want to try liquid that contains the whole tobacco alkaloids (WTA) . It seems that some people shift to vaping immediately and drop to no- nicotine just as easily. Others switch fairly easily, but need liquid that contains at least some nicotine. For a third group, nicotine replacement isn't enough, and it isn't until they start using the WTA-containing liquid that the cravings subside. As I understand it, NETs have the tobacco flavors, but not the WTA, and the nicotine is added back in becaise the extraction process only captures the flavors.

 

[CES]

it will, Mark. You just need a total of 5 posts and you now have 9. Welcome

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Nic preference as in amount.
24 when first started then 12 when started using rebuildable tanks. Now 4-5 on tanks and drippers.
This was only over a few months. Started of with ce4 clearos and quickly went to tanks.
If you start with tanks at 24 well may be too strong for some and others may then take longer to go down.
Most point out that the amount of nic you vape ( within reason usually 24mg or lower) is not that much of an issue.

Thanks for reply Wolfenstark,at least now I know I'm not using too much nic...are you vaping a lot? With all the smoking rituals I've substituted,plus with some "new" I've aquired(like vaping when typing),I'm beginning to think the issue's not with nic amount,but with chain-vaping(at 12 mg though). Guess I should try some lower concentrations for such new "habits".

When I started I use 30-36 mg/mL juice, it's stronger than many vapers started with, but I smoked over 40 years at about 1 1/2 packs a day. I never worried about lowering the nicotine, but over the years have just because it felt right to me. I use 12-15 mg/mL now and it's enough to satisfy.

The cravings can be strong starting out, just try to ride them out and vape your brains out..
They will lessen over time, to where now I can go longer without vaping than I ever did smoking. The cravings for a vape are nowhere near as my cravings for a smoke used to be. Takes a bit of time for your body to adjust, but it's worth the trouble.

Thanks for support,its really helpful. Now I'm thinking it could be possible for me to convince my relatives to switch as well...
To tell the truth,I thought of getting 24mg+ at start,but was afraid my head's gonna blow. Now that I know it doesn't I may be able to propose an alternative to the more smoke-addicted people around.

 

[Wolfenstark]

Thanks for reply Wolfenstark,at least now I know I'm not using too much nic...are you vaping a lot? With all the smoking rituals I've substituted,plus with some "new" I've aquired(like vaping when typing),I'm beginning to think the issue's not with nic amount,but with chain-vaping(at 12 mg though). Guess I should try some lower concentrations for such new "habits".

Thanks for support,its really helpful. Now I'm thinking it could be possible for me to convince my relatives to switch as well...
To tell the truth,I thought of getting 24mg+ at start,but was afraid my head's gonna blow. Now that I know it doesn't I may be able to propose an alternative to the more smoke-addicted people around.

Im probably for most days at the lower end of vaping frequency , still go through some juice though when using dual coil atomisers.

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Guybrush, when i started i used a penstyle (kro80d) and went through about 3-4 mls a day or 24 mg/ml liquid (~72s mgs/day) . It took me about 6 weeks to move exclusively to vaping, but my cigarette consumption kept dropping during that time. I dealt with my cravings by smoking. They just got fewer and fewer fairly quickly.

After about 8 months of being smoke-free i went to 18mgs/ml. I still used cartomizers, but had switched to an ego battery. My decreases in nicotine intake has been really, really gradual. When i noticed that the nicotine made me anxious i decreased the concentration. Partly that was time, and partly because over the equipment has improved so much over the past 5 years. I now use iSticks with tanks (mini nautilus, aspire, GS16) or reos, and vape ~ 7ml of 1-2mg/ml a day (~ 10 mg/day)

I think it's possible that the e-roll isn't very effective at delivering nicotine- at least there are some early reports that the first generation ciagalikes aren't as effective, so trying a different set up may make a huge difference for you. i would suggest trying at least an ego class (second generation) or above, with a refillable tank of some sort.

If after a bit of time and a set up that is refillable and has a reasonable battery life, you find that you're using fairly high nicotine (>24mg/ml) and still have strong cravings, you may want to try liquid that contains the whole tobacco alkaloids (WTA) . It seems that some people shift to vaping immediately and drop to no- nicotine just as easily. Others switch fairly easily, but need liquid that contains at least some nicotine. For a third group, nicotine replacement isn't enough, and it isn't until they start using the WTA-containing liquid that the cravings subside. As I understand it, NETs have the tobacco flavors, but not the WTA, and the nicotine is added back in becaise the extraction process only captures the flavors.

CES,thank you very much for a thorough reply!
Did you vape more often than you smoke? Like I mentioned earlier in other post,in addition to vaping instead of times I'd be smoking,I'm also vaping now at times I wouldn't smoke at all. Hence I'd like to know if,during switch period,you did develop\change some habits?
Also,I'd like to know if it was hard to change the "tactile" side of smoking habit,i.e. switching from penstyle? If I got it right,at the time you switched to iSticks,that factor had become miniscule,the main one being flavor?

I may be wrong with terms,but erolls do have refillable tanks. Also,the battery isn't much of an issue since erolls have a pcc,and while I'm using my first eroll,second one is charging,and vice versa. But I agree that trying something with bigger tank\flavor would probably mean the difference I'm looking for. I'm a bit drawn back by manual operation,though.

I think I belong to the second group you mentioned,but I might try WTA's some time. Will need to do some research first anyway. It's just that I need to vape for much longer time to get to the point I don't want to smoke at all,and this is quite new(even after 2 months). In fact,I'm getting a feeling nic intake part of vaping is somewhat similiar to fast-food - you can eat a lot fast and get trouble later,as satiation(nicotine satiation,in my case) doesn't happen as fast as consumption...

I'm really grateful you found the time to post a thorough reply.

I am a newbie as well. I believe I replyed to more then 5 post. Will that count towards 5 threads?

Hello! =)

Welcome to ECF Guybrush, make yourself right at home

Thanks,Daleron! I feel like I already did,thanks to CES,Stosh,Wolfenstark,Rsunderl,Ruanamok and all the people who give a warm welcome here!

 

[AndriaD]

Welcome to ECF, Guybrush! Not much hate around here, except toward those idiot "public health" fools who keep saying bad and deeply stupid things about vaping. I started with an eRoll too, but within a month found all that refilling/recharging very tedious, so I upgraded, and did that a few more times before I found my personal vaping nirvana. I also started with tobacco flavor, it had to taste just like Virginia Slims or I just wasn't interested. It took about 4-5 months for that to wear off, as I started trying out other flavors and soon found I didn't like the taste of Virginia at all anymore.

Just go with what works for you; no need to be just like anyone else. If you like the taste of tobacco, vape on! When I still vaped Virginia, sometimes I'd take a nice big hit, and then kinda panic, oh god I'm in the house -- oh wait, I'm ALLOWED to do THIS in the house!

Andria

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Welcome to ECF, Guybrush! Not much hate around here, except toward those idiot "public health" fools who keep saying bad and deeply stupid things about vaping. I started with an eRoll too, but within a month found all that refilling/recharging very tedious, so I upgraded, and did that a few more times before I found my personal vaping nirvana. I also started with tobacco flavor, it had to taste just like Virginia Slims or I just wasn't interested. It took about 4-5 months for that to wear off, as I started trying out other flavors and soon found I didn't like the taste of Virginia at all anymore.

Just go with what works for you; no need to be just like anyone else. If you like the taste of tobacco, vape on! When I still vaped Virginia, sometimes I'd take a nice big hit, and then kinda panic, oh god I'm in the house -- oh wait, I'm ALLOWED to do THIS in the house!

Andria

Thanks Andria! Now that you switched to less-often-refilled(which is?..) device,don't you miss the opportunity to change flavors quickly,not being stuck with half-tank you don't want to vape anymore? Or you just change tanks?
What was the e-liquid Virginia flavor you used? Closest I've found is NET.com's flue-cured Virginia...

It is great to be able to vape tobacco without stinking everything indoors!

 

[Cannon from NJ]

I have a question and I didn't want to start a thread for it. When changing flavors on an RDA can I just drip it or do I have to re wick it every time?

 

[NealBJr]

Geez,so this is never going to end Because I feel about the same,except the mild part. It's partly because I always liked tobacco smell,even during childhood. What helps is using NETs and thinking it's just another way of "smoking". Somehow,my friends who quit don't feel the same,but they weren't smoking much,and aren't vaping now... Can you tell me what's your nic preference now(for various situations),and what was it in the beginning,if it changed at all?

Hi and welcome to ECF!!!

If you're seeing a wall of text and want to skip it, that's fine. I make some suggestions at the end of my story.

Well, first, NET eliquids help transition from regular tobacco to an Ecig. However, if I were you, I would try to ween yourself off of those as well and go with a standard Eliquid.

Maybe you can relate to my experience.. I smoked a pack per day. At the worst part of my smoking life, I was smoking unfiltered cigarettes... about a pack and a half per day. before I switched to an Ecig, I managed to go to Doral oranges (ultra lights) because of the price. I bought a grocery store "cigalike" just so I didn't have to go outside. Well, the first day, I went from a pack/day to three per day.

I started off with tobacco flavors. Camel, or whatever seemed somewhat similar. I never did enjoy the e-cigarette like a regular cigarette... I thought of it like something different to do in between smoking, not a smoking replacement. I went from three per day to one per day.. the one/day lasted for about a month. I still used those cigalikes which are similar to your Erolls. They just didn't produce enough vapor. I decided to go with an EGO style. It took some time getting used to it, but the flavor and vapor was MUCH better. I switched from a pure tobacco flavor (555/Camel, etc) to something on the sweet side... I chose RY4. after a month of using the Ego, I decided to see how long I could go without a cigarette.. and lo and behold, I am still going without.

The Ego's worked fine for me.. I had two. I was constantly charging one while using the other. Back then, I used a plastic atomizer.. called a CE4/stardust. They would last me about a week, then I'd chuck them. I kept wondering if there was a cheaper way than to just throw the whole thing away.... then they came out with the CE5 where you just replaced the wick/wire...and that seemed to make sense. I used that and kept the old heads... after buying like five of them, I saw a video on how to rebuild them. I bought some silica and some kanthal, and gave it a shot... it worked. So, I rebuilt those CE5's for about 5 months. During that time, I intentionally transitioned away from any tobacco flavors to sweet/dark flavors... like Dr. Pepper.

Rebuilding the C5 cartomzers was a pain... everythiing was small. even when I got into a routine, I would have hour long "rebuild the old wicks" sessions. I started to get cracks in the tank when I tried some "Mt Dew" flavors, and I was back to chucking the atomizers because the plastic kept cracking. I did some research, and found out some of the larger sized atomizers had glass tanks that wouldn't crack... I learned the famed 22mm standard for mods. I bought a Vamo batteryw ith an AGA T2 atomizer (that had glass)... It was a bit confusing at first, and I didn't have the gear to experiment with wicks. I ended up using the same 32 gauge kanthal on a Silica wick. No leaks, and it tasted even better. I continued to use that for six months. The only downside to that setup, was you oculd not lay it down on it's side or the juice would leal out.

Then I decidedt o try different atomizers. The goal was to find a leak proof atomizer with one coil. That seemed to be the "holy grail" for atomizers. I bought several, and read reviews on everything that came out. I went to protanks, and I saw some improvements. The big change came when I saw a squape.. it had a glass tank and was rebuildable. That is what turned me into a full RBA tank guy.. it was easy to setup, used silica, and was glass. I thought I was in heaven... until the leaks at the airhole finally made it into my vamo and short circuited the main board. I hurried and bought a replacement Vamo and searched for yet another single coil glass tank. the closest I found was a Fogger V4. I came close with a Kayfun light, but it had a plastic tank. I never did find a good atomizer, until recently

I found the Kanger subtank.. While looking around, I started to experiment with dripping atomizers and realized, to get my fogger and most drippers working,I had to go either mechanical mod, or a higher watt limit solution. I ended up trying a mechanical mod, but they were too much fuss for me. I eventaully gave up, and kept using a kayfun, and thought I'd find a stronger device. I went with a Sigeli 100W, and it became (and still is) my main vaping device. The Sigeli gave me the power to use dual coils, so my Fogger started getting some use, and I love it. I am vaping on that setup now. However, the Sigeli is large Recently, I purchased a cloupor mini, and realized 22mm atomizers hung off the end. I finally found a Kanger subtank micro.. which fit the cloupor mini perfectly without a hoverhang. I found the subtank had replaceable coils, glass tank, and it didn't leak... I ran across what I was always trying to achieve.


SUGGESTIONS...

Using hindsight, I would start with a 30w mini device. It's not too far off from an eroll. I chose the Cloupor, because I already had the batteries laying around.
For tanks, I like the Subtank micro. It offers a tool less refill, and no leaks. I have finally found the tank I've been wanting.

hope that helps.

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Hi and welcome to ECF!!!

If you're seeing a wall of text and want to skip it, that's fine. I make some suggestions at the end of my story.

Well, first, NET eliquids help transition from regular tobacco to an Ecig. However, if I were you, I would try to ween yourself off of those as well and go with a standard Eliquid.

Maybe you can relate to my experience.. I smoked a pack per day. At the worst part of my smoking life, I was smoking unfiltered cigarettes... about a pack and a half per day. before I switched to an Ecig, I managed to go to Doral oranges (ultra lights) because of the price. I bought a grocery store "cigalike" just so I didn't have to go outside. Well, the first day, I went from a pack/day to three per day.

I started off with tobacco flavors. Camel, or whatever seemed somewhat similar. I never did enjoy the e-cigarette like a regular cigarette... I thought of it like something different to do in between smoking, not a smoking replacement. I went from three per day to one per day.. the one/day lasted for about a month. I still used those cigalikes which are similar to your Erolls. They just didn't produce enough vapor. I decided to go with an EGO style. It took some time getting used to it, but the flavor and vapor was MUCH better. I switched from a pure tobacco flavor (555/Camel, etc) to something on the sweet side... I chose RY4. after a month of using the Ego, I decided to see how long I could go without a cigarette.. and lo and behold, I am still going without.

The Ego's worked fine for me.. I had two. I was constantly charging one while using the other. Back then, I used a plastic atomizer.. called a CE4/stardust. They would last me about a week, then I'd chuck them. I kept wondering if there was a cheaper way than to just throw the whole thing away.... then they came out with the CE5 where you just replaced the wick/wire...and that seemed to make sense. I used that and kept the old heads... after buying like five of them, I saw a video on how to rebuild them. I bought some silica and some kanthal, and gave it a shot... it worked. So, I rebuilt those CE5's for about 5 months. During that time, I intentionally transitioned away from any tobacco flavors to sweet/dark flavors... like Dr. Pepper.

Rebuilding the C5 cartomzers was a pain... everythiing was small. even when I got into a routine, I would have hour long "rebuild the old wicks" sessions. I started to get cracks in the tank when I tried some "Mt Dew" flavors, and I was back to chucking the atomizers because the plastic kept cracking. I did some research, and found out some of the larger sized atomizers had glass tanks that wouldn't crack... I learned the famed 22mm standard for mods. I bought a Vamo batteryw ith an AGA T2 atomizer (that had glass)... It was a bit confusing at first, and I didn't have the gear to experiment with wicks. I ended up using the same 32 gauge kanthal on a Silica wick. No leaks, and it tasted even better. I continued to use that for six months. The only downside to that setup, was you oculd not lay it down on it's side or the juice would leal out.

Then I decidedt o try different atomizers. The goal was to find a leak proof atomizer with one coil. That seemed to be the "holy grail" for atomizers. I bought several, and read reviews on everything that came out. I went to protanks, and I saw some improvements. The big change came when I saw a squape.. it had a glass tank and was rebuildable. That is what turned me into a full RBA tank guy.. it was easy to setup, used silica, and was glass. I thought I was in heaven... until the leaks at the airhole finally made it into my vamo and short circuited the main board. I hurried and bought a replacement Vamo and searched for yet another single coil glass tank. the closest I found was a Fogger V4. I came close with a Kayfun light, but it had a plastic tank. I never did find a good atomizer, until recently

I found the Kanger subtank.. While looking around, I started to experiment with dripping atomizers and realized, to get my fogger and most drippers working,I had to go either mechanical mod, or a higher watt limit solution. I ended up trying a mechanical mod, but they were too much fuss for me. I eventaully gave up, and kept using a kayfun, and thought I'd find a stronger device. I went with a Sigeli 100W, and it became (and still is) my main vaping device. The Sigeli gave me the power to use dual coils, so my Fogger started getting some use, and I love it. I am vaping on that setup now. However, the Sigeli is large Recently, I purchased a cloupor mini, and realized 22mm atomizers hung off the end. I finally found a Kanger subtank micro.. which fit the cloupor mini perfectly without a hoverhang. I found the subtank had replaceable coils, glass tank, and it didn't leak... I ran across what I was always trying to achieve.


SUGGESTIONS...

Using hindsight, I would start with a 30w mini device. It's not too far off from an eroll. I chose the Cloupor, because I already had the batteries laying around.
For tanks, I like the Subtank micro. It offers a tool less refill, and no leaks. I have finally found the tank I've been wanting.

hope that helps.

In a good way,its a Great Wall of Text,because now I don't have to spend time on same "transitional" steps as you did. I understand that to everyone's his own,but it feels If you haven't posted your whole story,I'd follow somewhat same path. You described all the issues I did thought of (in theory,thankfully) I'd have to go through - like leaking,fast-dying atty's,rebuilding lilliputes...
The only thing that's holding me from buying exact same setup is my visual aversion towards those box-like devices. I'm just not ready yet for such a drastic switch mentally - something like cigar,thats probably alright,but those boxes are really scaring me off - even though I know they are made not for looks;and,by the way this cloupor does look somewhat nice... But,maybe there's anything more "cylinder"-shaped on the market with the same characteristics?...

Anyway,thank you for writing all that down and sharing experience,if I don't find "cigarlike" alternative,I'm going for a cloupor,I think,as Sigelei is too large(and boxy..).

 

[smkfree]

For a second step on vaping I went with an Ego 1100mah battery and the Kanger T3s tanks. Much larger capacity and replaceable coils. Good flavor and vapor. Not very expensive. Have been using them for 9 months now.
3 weeks ago I got an Istick 50w for use at home and larger battey life. I still use the T3s Kanger tanks. When I go out I use the Ego Batteries as they are more portable.

 

[CES]

Good morning Guy.

I don't know much about erolls, though I've heard that they may be one of the better penstyles. I guess i just assumed that they weren't easily refillable. I started with a manual, though i've tried automatics. I wonder if trying to exactly replicate the smoking experience might be making it more difficult. Maybe, as you look at possibilities for new equipment you might be soming to a similar sort of realization. Vaping isn't like smoking, it doesn't taste or feel the same. So trying to get it exact might be making it more frustrating than it has to be.

I'm not sure how to answer your question about vaping more than smoking. For me that was the point. If i understand what you're asking, i didn't pay attention to anything other than the fact that i was was smoking less and less without trying. I immediately went from 1.5/2 PAD to half a pack a day, and then to 5 cigs a day. I held at 1-3 cigs a day for a couple of weeks. It wasn't until i went my first whole day without a smoke that i actually thought i might quit smoking. I was happy just cutting back.

My recommendation would be to not worry about the comparisons while you're first getting used to it. There isn't a 1:1 exchange between smoking and vaping. The nicotine absorption is different, you may absorb less and it is slower, but not like fast food , its' just something to get used to. The harmful chemicals associated with smoke are pretty much non-existent in vaping and most people drop the nicotine levels over time (but it's not a big deal if you don't) .

I think you're asking good questions and getting lots of good suggestions. Keep the eroll handy, and allow yourself to experiment a little. You may be surprised that what ends up working isn't what you might have predicted

 

[twgbonehead]

Hi, Guybrush, welcome to ECF!

Like stosh, I started with the highest nic levels I could get. The only reason I'm now down in the 12-18mg range is that the flavors come through better for me with lower nic. (And I do like flavors!)

Nothing wrong with storing e-liquid in the fridge (I have a couple bottles of 3+ year-old e-liquid that spent most of it's life in the fridge, with no apparent degradation - although it wasn't terrific in the first place, but definitely still vapeable!).

 

[twgbonehead]

I have a question and I didn't want to start a thread for it. When changing flavors on an RDA can I just drip it or do I have to re wick it every time?

Usually you can just drip a new flavor; particularly if it's not at odds with the old one (in fact, some combinations go together surprisingly well!) However, certain strong flavors (tobaccos, cinnamon, absinthe, etc) may linger on. Not that hard to re-wick if you have to, though!

 

[AndriaD]

Thanks Andria! Now that you switched to less-often-refilled(which is?..) device,don't you miss the opportunity to change flavors quickly,not being stuck with half-tank you don't want to vape anymore? Or you just change tanks?
What was the e-liquid Virginia flavor you used? Closest I've found is NET.com's flue-cured Virginia...

It is great to be able to vape tobacco without stinking everything indoors!

When I upgraded from the eRoll, I went to a small Kanger tank called the T3S -- single bottom coil, replaceable coils; although it worked fine for me for a month or two, I really don't recommend them; they're one of the absolute cheapest tanks you can buy, and that's the quality of vape you get, too. I'm not sure anyone even sells those anymore, this tech moves so fast.

The upgrade from that was because I learned to rebuild those heads, and everyone said if I could rebuild those, I could handle a Kayfun, that it would actually be a great deal easier because you don't have such limited space to work with -- and they were right; learning to rebuild coils, and then getting a Kayfun, was the single biggest upgrade I've made; Kayfuns are still my most-favorite vape, the flavor is so rich and true, the throat-hit so excellent, and they're so easy to build and use -- and hold about 4.5ml, so I don't have to refill very often.

I have 4 Kayfuns, so if I want another flavor (I generally keep 2 handy and ready to vape), I just use another Kayfun, or I use one of my RDAs (dripping atomizers). I generally have one "all day vape" (ADV) that I don't change very often; for the last 5 months it's been my own DIY of strawberry & cream; for about 3 months before that, it was my own DIY of blueberry muffin/banana nut bread (mixed) -- that was the flavor that made me totally get over the enjoyment of Virginia. I know, it seems very weird at first, the thought of "smoking" something like food or fruit -- but it really is a godsend when your tastebuds decide that tobacco really does actually taste like crap. The Virginia flavor I used at first was from MyFreedomSmokes.com -- they totally nailed the Virginia Slims flavor. No, it's really not a lot like the taste of an actual cigarette, none of that burning bitterness, but the flavor was very similar.

Kayfuns cost a bit more than the inexpensive "starter" tanks; $32.95 for the first 2 I bought, but now they're around $20 -- for clones; the prices on "authentics" are in the triple digits -- way too rich for my blood -- I prefer the "Tobeco" kayfun clones over the EHPro version; they have better threads, better airflow, and unlike the EHPros, the Tobecos don't have any spurious logos or text on the tank ("Designed in Russia - Made In Germany" -- BS, they're made in China, and leaving that text on a clone seems to make it more of a counterfeit than a clone).

Andria

 

[sd3614]

The outside thing I get. That one issue can cause your to smoke a cig. I'm looking for the smallest round mod that will fire up a subtank nano so I can have something light in my hand to keep me vaping outside. Not a fan of a strap.

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Good morning Guy.

I don't know much about erolls, though I've heard that they may be one of the better penstyles. I guess i just assumed that they weren't easily refillable. I started with a manual, though i've tried automatics. I wonder if trying to exactly replicate the smoking experience might be making it more difficult. Maybe, as you look at possibilities for new equipment you might be soming to a similar sort of realization. Vaping isn't like smoking, it doesn't taste or feel the same. So trying to get it exact might be making it more frustrating than it has to be.

I'm not sure how to answer your question about vaping more than smoking. For me that was the point. If i understand what you're asking, i didn't pay attention to anything other than the fact that i was was smoking less and less without trying. I immediately went from 1.5/2 PAD to half a pack a day, and then to 5 cigs a day. I held at 1-3 cigs a day for a couple of weeks. It wasn't until i went my first whole day without a smoke that i actually thought i might quit smoking. I was happy just cutting back.

My recommendation would be to not worry about the comparisons while you're first getting used to it. There isn't a 1:1 exchange between smoking and vaping. The nicotine absorption is different, you may absorb less and it is slower, but not like fast food , its' just something to get used to. The harmful chemicals associated with smoke are pretty much non-existent in vaping and most people drop the nicotine levels over time (but it's not a big deal if you don't) .

I think you're asking good questions and getting lots of good suggestions. Keep the eroll handy, and allow yourself to experiment a little. You may be surprised that what ends up working isn't what you might have predicted

Probably you're right,that point of view makes sense. All the cigalikeness without associated smoke taste may be making things harder. On the other hand,I may have not switched to vaping if my first try was something absolutely different from analogs. Also,it's still a wonder to me how people are "soft-switching" to vaping(I mean continuing to smoke a few analogs in the beginning) - I feel like if I smoke a cigarette now,vaping would taste too light...

I always forget to congratulate you and the others who quit analogs. Non-smokers or light smokers will never understand how hard it is,and how great it is to have an alternative not-so-addictive "hobby". So,congratulations on quitting smoking!

My question about vaping more than smoking(as well as fast food comparison) primarily was about nicotine overdose. It always feels like I'm not getting enough,and then,after quite long time of vaping,it feels like I had too much.
When I was smoking,I had "rituals" like smoking after meal,when taking a break at work,after a bath,etc. Now I'm doing the same things,but with vaping,PLUS I also vape when in my bedroom,at work,etc - hence the overdose thing.

As always,thanks for advice! I'm hoping to hold at least till mid July,then have a look if I'd want to go back to analogs,but I'm getting the feeling I won't.

Hi, Guybrush, welcome to ECF!

Like stosh, I started with the highest nic levels I could get. The only reason I'm now down in the 12-18mg range is that the flavors come through better for me with lower nic. (And I do like flavors!)

Nothing wrong with storing e-liquid in the fridge (I have a couple bottles of 3+ year-old e-liquid that spent most of it's life in the fridge, with no apparent degradation - although it wasn't terrific in the first place, but definitely still vapeable!).

Thanks!
Did you store those on the door or someplace colder? And did the flavor change at all?
I just put my "spare" bottles in the fridge,but its a rather tiny thermoelectric one,so I wonder if it's cooling enough.

When I upgraded from the eRoll, I went to a small Kanger tank called the T3S -- single bottom coil, replaceable coils; although it worked fine for me for a month or two, I really don't recommend them; they're one of the absolute cheapest tanks you can buy, and that's the quality of vape you get, too. I'm not sure anyone even sells those anymore, this tech moves so fast.

The upgrade from that was because I learned to rebuild those heads, and everyone said if I could rebuild those, I could handle a Kayfun, that it would actually be a great deal easier because you don't have such limited space to work with -- and they were right; learning to rebuild coils, and then getting a Kayfun, was the single biggest upgrade I've made; Kayfuns are still my most-favorite vape, the flavor is so rich and true, the throat-hit so excellent, and they're so easy to build and use -- and hold about 4.5ml, so I don't have to refill very often.

I have 4 Kayfuns, so if I want another flavor (I generally keep 2 handy and ready to vape), I just use another Kayfun, or I use one of my RDAs (dripping atomizers). I generally have one "all day vape" (ADV) that I don't change very often; for the last 5 months it's been my own DIY of strawberry & cream; for about 3 months before that, it was my own DIY of blueberry muffin/banana nut bread (mixed) -- that was the flavor that made me totally get over the enjoyment of Virginia. I know, it seems very weird at first, the thought of "smoking" something like food or fruit -- but it really is a godsend when your tastebuds decide that tobacco really does actually taste like crap. The Virginia flavor I used at first was from MyFreedomSmokes.com -- they totally nailed the Virginia Slims flavor. No, it's really not a lot like the taste of an actual cigarette, none of that burning bitterness, but the flavor was very similar.

Kayfuns cost a bit more than the inexpensive "starter" tanks; $32.95 for the first 2 I bought, but now they're around $20 -- for clones; the prices on "authentics" are in the triple digits -- way too rich for my blood -- I prefer the "Tobeco" kayfun clones over the EHPro version; they have better threads, better airflow, and unlike the EHPros, the Tobecos don't have any spurious logos or text on the tank ("Designed in Russia - Made In Germany" -- BS, they're made in China, and leaving that text on a clone seems to make it more of a counterfeit than a clone).

Andria

Thanks for reply,Andria!
When did you start making DIY's? Where do you get your flavor extracts and how do you store them? I guess it's cheaper and gives more freedom of customization to make your own liquids,but do flavor extracts store well for longer periods of time?...
I can perfectly understand vaping non-tobacco juices,I started with a cola one and thought it's great to vape it instead of smoking cigs and drinking cola...2in1...Actually, I'm even using a Zeus' strawberry milkshake as a non-tobacco alternative right now,great so far. Seems I'm starting to follow your and CES' advice,after all.

Maybe someday I'll try MyFreedomSmokes.com lucky strike flavor,but I get it it's not NET,and all non-NET tobacco flavors tasted like cookies to me.

I don't know anything about dripping atomizers,most google links send me to stores that sell them,- is it an atomizer where you drip liquid on it just to test it?.. Or can it be used like normal one?

About kayfuns - yeah,I heard they're great,but can't find any original ones available anyway; some sites that are currently out of stock still point that the price is around 250$... I also read on some forum a post where a chinese clone was compared with original one,and they are almost the same. I think I'll get a clone or two once I have a mod to attach it to. Or maybe a kanger Neal mentioned,if I don't find good quality kayfun clone around...btw,maybe theres anything good to say about joye's deltas?

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

The outside thing I get. That one issue can cause your to smoke a cig. I'm looking for the smallest round mod that will fire up a subtank nano so I can have something light in my hand to keep me vaping outside. Not a fan of a strap.

Please tell me if you do find anything =) Right now erolls are kind of OK with strong flavors...

 

[twgbonehead]

Thanks!
Did you store those on the door or someplace colder? And did the flavor change at all?
I just put my "spare" bottles in the fridge,but its a rather tiny thermoelectric one,so I wonder if it's cooling enough.

I put them in a baggie, and left them in the crisper drawer (didn't eat many fresh veggies then). If anything the liquid tastes better than when it went in there, but I believe that's because back in 2012 I was using cartridges, when I revisited the liquids I was using much better-performing equipment. Certainly still vapeable, but e-liquids have come a long way since then!

I can't guarantee that the more complex juices available today will act the same, but I would guess the risk of them going really bad is probably very low.

 

[CES]

i think you just have to be careful about condensation if you're opening refrigerated liquids frequently. Extra water from condensation isn't going to help the flavor much.